Canada Line | Completed

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by CLC

Last time Mr.x predicted gong show on the opening day , I didn't quite believe it would happen(because of my M-Line memory), but turned out to be very true. But this time I do agree , you will be right again.

I am now thinking whether the next Canada Line train order would arrive first or the projected 140,000 daily ridership (slated for 2020) will become reality first

What more can I say?


KNEEL BEFORE YOUR GOD BABYLON!




Seriously though, I saw this happening years and years ago. They seriously underestimated existing demands for this corridor, nevermind future growth. It never made sense to me at all to build the system as it is today.

I'm both happy and sad that we're in this situation....happy that we have high ridership, sad on "WTF are we going to do now?!!!"


This line certainly won't be the Olympic corridor backbone that VANOC was hoping for. I don't know how exactly they plan on making this line work during the Games....the Canada Line is going to be get the bulk of the additional SkyTrain ridership during the Games.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Allen

It was like that the other day too...there is simply not enough space on the platform...

How they deal with even the tiniest crowds at Waterfront is identical to how amusement parks handle crowds...I wasn't impressed at all.

[officedweller]

In some respects, it's better for transit expansion that it be wildly popular (and overcrowded) than it be relatively empty (like the M-Line was at opening).

It's also more "cost-effective" for the operator.

Once the dust settles (ridership stabilizes), it'll be interesting to see whether any adjustments to the operating plan will be implemented to address overcrowding.

[mrjauk]

Originally Posted by duener

With regards to the post about the cabbies' business suffering because of the Canada Line... I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but really Vancouver needs more cabs.

Freeing them up from the airport run can only be good for everyone else. I recall Vancouver city council raising the number of licenses recently and it was mentioned that per-capita the city has less than most and is quite underserved. You should be able to flag a cab anywhere with ease and I think the market should decide the numbers of cabs available not the government.

I agree. The problem had been that cabbies would rather wait an hour or so at the airport for a trip and make $x dollars on the one fare, rather than having to drive around for that hour and make the same money on 4 or 5 fares. Now they'll actually have to work a little harder. With more cabs--especially in the downtown peninsula--people will get more used to that form of transportation, and a cab culture will soon develop.

The next time I fly out of YVR, I'll gladly take a cab from my place to the Canada Line (about $6.00 or so).

[metroXpress]

Originally Posted by mr.x

How they deal with even the tiniest crowds at Waterfront is identical to how amusement parks handle crowds...I wasn't impressed at all.

I agree...especially those funny blue barriers with the Canada Line logo on it...we had to wait till all those people exit the train and the platform first...

And they didn't use both tracks on that day.

If they had another train parked on the other side of the platform waiting to leave the station, we wouldn't have to wait out there. Most of us would probably get a seat inside the train and wait. Then, when the other train comes in...they wouldn't have to worry about too many people on the platform.

[CLC]

Canada Line exhaust fans assault Cambie Street home
Noise disrupts sleep, conversation

Janaya Fuller-Evans, Special to Vancouver Courier
Published: Wednesday, September 02, 2009

While thousands of riders have flocked to the new Canada Line since it opened more than two weeks ago, one Cambie Street family isn't pleased to be living next to the line's Langara-49th Avenue Station.

Thomas DeSchutter says the station's exhaust fans are blowing his family's livability away.

"They aimed the exhaust fans directly at our house instead of towards Cambie," said DeSchutter, adding the fans have run constantly throughout the summer. "During the heat of the summer they ran almost all day long, and periodically at night."


Leslie DeSchutter says Canada Line fans are disrupting her family's life.
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DeSchutter, an investment adviser and president of the Kitsilano Chamber of Commerce, said the noise is worst during evening rush hour.

According to the couple, the noise particularly affects one of the bedrooms on the side of their house. They say the bedroom is unusable without earplugs.

The noise is even worse outside, limiting the use of their backyard, he said.

"My 93-year-old grandmother lives with us," DeSchutter said. "I can't even have a conversation with her 10 feet away in the backyard."

DeSchutter's wife Leslie said their two young children couldn't use a paddle pool outside because the noise is too loud to be comfortable.

"We've had a beautiful summer and we couldn't use the backyard at all," she added.

On one occasion when the DeSchutters were entertaining in the yard, DeSchutter said, they had to nearly yell to make themselves heard. There was a palatable sense of relief when the fans turned off, he said.

"The street noise seemed like nothing in comparison with those fans."

The family has been working with Canada Line representatives throughout the station's construction, because of their home's close proximity. Workers have occasionally needed access to the property.

DeSchutter reported the problem to InTransit BC, the company that built and is contracted to maintain the line for the next 10 years, at the end of June. InTransit sent out an acoustical engineer who measured the sound from the yard. DeSchutter said the engineer told him the noise was "beyond code."

DeSchutter has sent many emails to InTransit but says they've stopped getting back to him. "I have been patient but my last two emails haven't had a response. Now they're not talking to me about it."

Steve Crombie, spokesperson for InTransit, told the Courier the problem is being addressed.

"We had to go and design a shield to muffle the sound," he said.

According to Crombie, the shield has taken time to design and test to ensure that the station's roof can handle the extra weight, and that the shield can withstand wind and works effectively. "We're getting ready to install it," Crombie said. "Probably in the next few weeks."

Crombie added that he would make sure DeSchutter is regularly informed of what is happening.

He said the fans are necessary for ventilation, particularly for emergencies, and had to be placed in that specific location to work effectively. Crombie said there has been one other Canada Line noise complaint from a resident in Yaletown. The resident reported hearing the station announcements and bell from one of the high-rises next to the Yaletown-Roundhouse Station, Crombie said, noting the volume has since been adjusted.

"These are things that happen with a new system. There hasn't been anything that we can't deal with."

Leslie DeSchutter was frustrated the Courier got a response from InTransit. "It's nice that they told the media but didn't answer the emails and phone calls from us," she said.

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[metroXpress]

^ I like that picture...now here comes the sound barriers!

[CLC]

Originally Posted by mr.x

This line certainly won't be the Olympic corridor backbone that VANOC was hoping for. I don't know how exactly they plan on making this line work during the Games....the Canada Line is going to be get the bulk of the additional SkyTrain ridership during the Games.

I think most U & colleges are to be closed for the whole duration? However those students still can use their U-pass to get around in their "extra holiday". I think the only way to avoid overcrowding Canada Line is to make U-pass invalid for the two weeks (of course proportionally reduce U-pass per-semester price).
Anyway it would be fun to see the single day record for the Canada Line, will it be even higher than 27x,xxx of the tiny Yurikamome line of Toyko?

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by CLC

I think most U & colleges are to be closed for the whole duration? However those students still can use their U-pass to get around in their "extra holiday". I think the only way to avoid overcrowding Canada Line is to make U-pass invalid for the two weeks (of course proportionally reduce U-pass per-semester price).
Anyway it would be fun to see the single day record for the Canada Line, will it be even higher than 27x,xxx of the tiny Yurikamome line of Toyko?

lol, there's no way the Canada Line can handle 270,000 passengers in a day - certainly not with just 20 trains.

I'm gonna say 130,000-160,000 during the Olympics, trains should be at crush capacity for most service hours. And this is with letting several trains pass by before being able to get on.

[BCPhil]

Wait, hold on a second... This is a very important issue....

Kitsilano has a Chamber of Commerce? Why?

But in all seriousness, The houses right next to this station should have been bought by Translink. It is a perfect spot for some small commercial space, like a coffee shop or cafe. A coffee shop right next to pizza by the slice would probably do killer there because of the school traffic.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

Wait, hold on a second... This is a very important issue....

Kitsilano has a Chamber of Commerce? Why?

But in all seriousness, The houses right next to this station should have been bought by Translink. It is a perfect spot for some small commercial space, like a coffee shop or cafe. A coffee shop right next to pizza by the slice would probably do killer there because of the school traffic.

That's a killer idea, but there is zoning red tape...it would take forever to get it through.

And I think with Translink, they only bought one land they really needed to build the Canada Line....they only had so much to spend.

[hollywoodnorth]

why is the line not on GOOGLE MAPS yet? WTF.......same with the Golden Ears Bridge.........

[wrenegade]

Google takes a long time to update the road networks. It took months for the Anthony Henday in Edmonton to be added.

[mr.x]

All Olympic cities get massive detailed, high quality Google maps updates just before they host the Games....jut wait.

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

same with the Golden Ears Bridge.........

Yet the 595 bus that uses the Golden Ears Bridge is on Google Maps now, about a month after service started. It's the only bus route in the world that drives on water.

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by DKaz

Yet the 595 bus that uses the Golden Ears Bridge is on Google Maps now, about a month after service started. It's the only bus route in the world that drives on water.

a new Seabus route maybe?

[metroXpress]

Even the 2010 Rand McNally Road Atlas doesn't have Golden Ears Bridge on there...it still shows the Albion Ferry.

[DKaz]

From about a week ago!

[TransitJack]

Originally Posted by officedweller

http://www.canadaline.ca/files/uploads/docs/doc448.pdf

Here are the relevent sections of the Concession Agreement - "Vehicles" are "Equpment" which are "Non-Fixed Assets" owned by the Concessionaire (probably separate ownership for tax purposes, like a sale and lease-back arrangement):






Chances are that'll be implemented with the faregates and regional fare card.

My interpretation is that 'non-fixed assets' is the supplementary equipment required to run the railway. The trains or "equipment" and the E&M systems that are physical components of the line may have been supplied by the concessionaire, however, this is only as part of the contract do design,build, and operate the system. When the contract is up, I don't see Intransit taking their well-used trains with them. I'll have to look into this one a bit further.

[CLC]

Originally Posted by argon007

then why would translink open that bus route? although the terminate points are in the same zone...but they must go to vancouver....so it is 2 zone...

i don't know..

you can take 410 to 22nd street station and transfer to skytrain... and it is 1 zone.. i took that before... and it takes 50 minutes

but 430 is easier for shopping in richmond centre or metrotown.... BUT....there are big jam on knight bridge every peak time... so i think it is not good choice...

if there are many choices, i would like to take 410 and transfer skytrain to metro for saving money.

if you are already in Metrotown, or taking a bus that ends to Metrotown, it is less hassle to #430 for a one seat ride to Richmond, rather than hop onto skytrain for 8 minutes to 22nd street station.

#430 is certainly not fast (at worst 50 min to 1 hour end-to-end) because not only Knight Street, but also bridgeport road that tends to quite congested the whole afternoon. And as of Sept 7 #430 has to go into Bridgeport station loop , think about 3-5 minutes extra time.

#49 to Canada Line Langara station can be slightly faster depends on traffic.