Canada Line | Completed

[David]

There was also somesort of "citychase' event / scavenger hunt type thing on Saturday that say some extra 20000 riders I'm told

I participated in the City Chase (10th place baby ) and there was nowhere near 20,000 people. There was approx. 350 teams of 2, so approx. 700 people, and there are 22 tasks spread out across the city, and teams need to complete 10. Although the start/finish line was at Granville Square, most tasks were in downtown/gastown/east van, so I don't think many of the racers would have been using the Canada Line

[Yume-sama]

Went on the line to Yaletown and Waterfront today. Nothing negative to report

Still busy, no seats even at VCC (seems you HAVE to get on at Waterfront or else), but there was room to breathe!

[deasine]

Originally Posted by mr.x

^ yea, now that everything is built I do hope they will look at all their stations carefully and re-do the entire signage.

Either that or just hire some of the members here!

That would be my concern with the Canada Line. I can't believe TransLink calls it "advanced wayfinding" when it's quite stupid. Considering this is a line bringing you to an airport, you would think they design the signs in mind for people who don't understand English. At least provide a damn airplane logo beside YVR-Airport for people to know that side is going to YVR. -__-"

[nname]

Originally Posted by mr.x

I think it's a loss, no matter what, whenever we lose transit ridership. I mean, our goal is to increase transit ridership use in this region - not decrease it.

It is impossible to please anyone and retain every single rider in this system. If we got a net gain of transit rider (which Canada Line already did), then the line gets its job done. Loosing the direct bus into downtown might loose some riders, but might gain some for the increase of frequency. Since the same resource is used to double the frequency, even if each buses ended up with slightly more than half of the load compared to what it was before, then Translink is in a better financial position, and is good for the entire region.

Well, maybe having only half load for each bus but the same total ridership is probably not a good thing, as I'm guessing this is what they calculated the cost of paying the Canada Line service:
- 40-45M regular fare revenue
- 12-15M airport premium fare
- 15M saving from 98 B-Line
- 15-20M savings from the other Richmond, airport, and SOF routes
That add up to 82-95M, pretty close to what TransLink have to pay the operator for the first 2 years, eh?

The added service, worth about 15M, would probably be counted as cost of "new service".

[Daguy]

I'd like to know about travel volume between Vancouver, Richmond, and the airport since the opening of the Canada Line. Has anyone been driving between these areas since last week? Do traffics volumes seem to be lessened at all since the opening of the line?

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by nname

It is impossible to please anyone and retain every single rider in this system. If we got a net gain of transit rider (which Canada Line already did), then the line gets its job done. Loosing the direct bus into downtown might loose some riders, but might gain some for the increase of frequency. Since the same resource is used to double the frequency, even if each buses ended up with slightly more than half of the load compared to what it was before, then Translink is in a better financial position, and is good for the entire region.

Well, maybe having only half load for each bus but the same total ridership is probably not a good thing, as I'm guessing this is what they calculated the cost of paying the Canada Line service:
- 40-45M regular fare revenue
- 12-15M airport premium fare
- 15M saving from 98 B-Line
- 15-20M savings from the other Richmond, airport, and SOF routes
That add up to 82-95M, pretty close to what TransLink have to pay the operator for the first 2 years, eh?

The added service, worth about 15M, would probably be counted as cost of "new service".

Definitely, net gain is most important.

But I was just giving my opinion on CLC's broad statement.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by deasine

That would be my concern with the Canada Line. I can't believe TransLink calls it "advanced wayfinding" when it's quite stupid. Considering this is a line bringing you to an airport, you would think they design the signs in mind for people who don't understand English. At least provide a damn airplane logo beside YVR-Airport for people to know that side is going to YVR. -__-"

We'll do it for dirt cheap!!!

*WAVES FLARES TO GET TRANSLINK'S ATTENTION*

[deasine]

Originally Posted by mr.x

They could have used the back of these signs to their advantage...as double signs, with signs that display the destination/direction of the platform.

Originally Posted by officedweller

Good point - especially when there's a train in the station - you can't tell which way it is going because it blocks the sign on the far wall - and the LED screen is blocked by that long sign.

Originally Posted by mr.x

We'll do it for dirt cheap!!!

*WAVES FLARES TO GET TRANSLINK'S ATTENTION*

This should really be the signs used at Bridgeport.

1) Incorporates attractive Millennium Line Signs
2) Uses internationally recognized symbols such as "the running man/person in wheelchair" = Way Out/Exit (Green is also the colour used for Exit internationally... same colour/similar logo used at the baggage carousel in the int'l terminal)
3) Indicates safety & security nearest safety & security cabinet

Click for slightly larger image:

Design by Deasine - Hosted on Picasa Web Albums - Creative Commons Protected

[mr.x]

^ That's really good.

- what does the running man represent again? lol.

- you should incorporate the Millennium Line's "OUT" and the bus symbol

- what's the middle red thing? i can't zoom in that much.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by mr.x

^ That's really good.

- what does the running man represent again? lol.

- you should incorporate the Millennium Line's "OUT" and the bus symbol

- what's the middle red thing? i can't zoom in that much.

It's just "Way Out" or "Exit." In fact, the running man is I think only not used in North America. I know Europe and Hong Kong all uses the running man. Basically, it replaces the OUT. The one with the handicap just indicates it's a fully accessible exit (not necessarily an elevator).

Source: TLC-Direct UK

Hong Kong MTR
(No Direct Link available: http://www.flickr.com/photos/princesspeak/450481404/)

Safety Sign:
Fire Hydrant, Emergency Train Stop Button/Alarm, Emergency Phone/Intercom

Transfer Sign (only shown at transfer stations obviously):
Change here for YVR-Airport/Richmond (with an airplane beside YVR)

[mr.x]

Some of my own pictures of wayfinding on the HK MTR

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by deasine

Safety Sign:
Fire Hydrant, Emergency Train Stop Button/Alarm, Emergency Phone/Intercom

Hmm...the emergency train stop button/alarm isn't as obvious.


As for the running man, for a moment there i thought it was like the emergency exit....and i would imagine that some people here would think that they're encouraging people to run around in the stations lol.

[deasine]

It's amazing how simple yet detailed HK's wayfinding is. Even since Hong Kong purchased the KCR, they've standardized everything.

Whenever Hong Kong introduces a new service, everything gets updated instantly. You can't find a train today that doesn't indicate the new LOHAS Park Stn on the purple line and West Rail Extension to Hong Hum.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Hmm...the emergency train stop button/alarm isn't as obvious.

It's basically a button with a hand on it. I'll post a larger image later. TransLink uses a slightly different version.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by deasine

It's amazing how simple yet detailed HK's wayfinding is. Even since Hong Kong purchased the KCR, they've standardized everything.

Whenever Hong Kong introduces a new service, everything gets updated instantly. You can't find a train today that doesn't indicate the new LOHAS Park Stn on the purple line and West Rail Extension to Hong Hum.

lol....the Expo Line's signage is still largely the same even 7 years after the Milllennium Line opened. And now, we have a new signage scheme for the Canada Line! Three different signage schemes for our rail system.


I really think these signs could be quite useful at stations:

[YYCguys]

I need to get from DT Van to Delta. According to the new C-Line website, the Airport Station bus exchange is still in operation till Sept 7? So if I took the C-Line to Richmond, which station would I get off at to get to the Airport Station bus exchange for the transfer to Delta?

[deasine]

I would take the 98 B-Line to access Airport Stn, unless you don't mind walking for 10+ minutes from Templeton Stn, across a two "freeways."

[YYCguys]

Ya I'm used to the Bline and I guess it's not nearly as crowded anymore, so that would be a great option! It's still running on the same schedule/route as before the C-Line openned?

[deasine]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

Ya I'm used to the Bline and I guess it's not nearly as crowded anymore, so that would be a great option! It's still running on the same schedule/route as before the C-Line openned?

Yes, until Sept 7. After Sept 7, Airport Stn will be closed and the 620-Tsawwassen Ferry will be moved to Bridgeport Stn, where you'll also find other suburban bus services.

[YYCguys]

Thanks deasine for ur help!