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deasine · #**8361** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 5:20 AM**

Another thing I noticed is that they don't have a detailed message for Waterfront Stn.

"The next station is terminus station Waterfront"

It should be, following the Canada Line style of messages:

"The next station is terminus station Waterfront. Please change here for the Expo Line, Millennium Line, SeaBus, and the West Coast Express."

satishreddy · #**8362** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 5:30 AM**

Took my third "tourist" trip on the Canada Line this afternoon -> Waterfront -> Richmond -> Waterfront. Still lots of tourists like me checking things out.

These are my predictions regarding station boardings, once the bus integration is completed.

The numbers are for weekdays

12,000 - 15,000
Waterfront
City Centre
Bridgeport

8000 - 12000
YVR
Richmond Brighouse
Broadway

5000 - 8000
Oakridge
Yaletown
Landsdowne

Under 5000
Olympic Village
King Edward
Langara/49th
Marine Drive
Aberdeen
Templeton
Sea Island

These numbers are based on my rough understanding of the bus connections and the areas around the stations. I think that the average weekday total will be 80 - 95,000. My gut feeling, for what it is worth, is that it won't quite make it to 100,000 before the Olympics.

mr.x · #**8363** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 5:52 AM**

^ great guestimates there, i agree with most of those. But I wouldn't be surprised if Waterfront was higher than 15,000. Bridgeport would certainly be leaning towards 15,000.

15,000+
- Waterfront

12,000 - 15,000
- City Centre
- Bridgeport
- Broadway-City Hall

8000 - 12000
- Richmond-Brighouse
- Marine Drive
- Oakridge

5000 - 8000
- Yaletown
- YVR

2000-5000
- Olympic Village
- Lansdowne
- King Edward
- Langara/49th
- Aberdeen

Below 2,000
- Templeton
- Sea Island

nname · #**8364** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:29 AM**

Take the train today.. I was quite surprised by the number of people carrying luggage in the train. It seems like every YVR-bound train have at least one person with luggage in it. If you get on at a Vancouver station, you can really tell if the train came from Richmond or the airport just by looking at the luggages in them. I was also surprised by the number of people coming into Richmond, seems like every train is packed all the way from Bridgeport to Brighouse, with over 1/3 of the people getting on and off at the stations in between. Almost everyone gets off the train at Brighouse too, so I wonder how many of them are just there to take a ride but not actual commuter.

After arriving at the airport during the beginning of evening, I saw this on the display:
Waterfront 11min
Bridgeport 19min
Waterfront 23min

So I'm thinking... if you just miss your train during late night, then the display will be something like this:
Waterfront 20min
Waterfront 40min
Waterfront 60min

Must be quite a scary sight, eh?

And.. I later take that Bridgeport train out of the airport.. I guess this is quite rare (sorry for the bad quality):

Well, after leaving each station, the announcement says "This train is for Bridgeport..." but when arriving at Bridgeport, there is no announcement both in and outside of the train, and no attendant asking people to get out or prevent people getting in, so I watched about 50 people went in the OMC along with the out of service train.....

And that train happens to be #106.. and they haven't fix the door yet

nname · #**8365** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:36 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.x

2000-5000
- Olympic Village
- Lansdowne
- King Edward
- Langara/49th
- Aberdeen

Judging by the crowd today, I would put both stations to the 5000 - 8000 spot, as I see there were at least 4 times as many people waiting at the platform during the same time period compared to the other stations in the list.

deasine · #**8366** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:38 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname

Well, after leaving each station, the announcement says "This train is for Bridgeport..." but when arriving at Bridgeport, there is no announcement both in and outside of the train, and no attendant asking people to get out or prevent people getting in, so I watch about 50 people went in the OMC along with the train.....

Free OMC tour? Darn it. It's interesting why there isn't any message entering the station because there is a Not In Service message available.

"The next train arriving in the ___ platform is not in service. Please do not bored the train."

It's interesting why there isn't attendants either... think something's wrong =S

mr.x · #**8367** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:40 AM**

^ lol, i don't think i've ever recalled SkyTrain ever having "this door out of service" signs on trains that were running. With just 20 trains, i guess they couldn't afford to put one out of service for good so soon to fix the problems asap.

LMAO at the people being stuck at the OMC. They should really have attendants getting people out of the train if it's going back at the OMC or somekind of automatic announcement in both the train and station that tells people to get the fck-out. I wonder what those people were thinking when their train stopped at the OMC.

I gotta wonder how "luggage ridership" will be impacted when they slap on the $2.50 surcharge on in a few months, i'd think that so many are taking the train because it's still a lot cheaper than a taxi and it's faster during most hours. With the surcharge, the gap is narrowed by quite a bit. With the existing $3.75 two zone fair to the airport, it's a bargain.

They really need to re-think the whole surcharge.

CLC · #**8368** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:43 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by satishreddy

8000 - 12000
YVR
Richmond Brighouse
Broadway

The # are up to everyone best guess, but I feel you may greatly underestimate the Broadway-City hall station, given that it is the interchange point of the 80,000-rides Broadway buses and ~80,000-rides Canada Line.

mr.x · #**8369** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:45 AM**

^ Broadway-City Hall could definitely be over 15,000, or at the very least 15,000. I think Waterfront is the only shoe in for above 15,000.

nname · #**8370** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:49 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by deasine

Free OMC tour? Darn it. It's interesting why there isn't any message entering the station because there is a Not In Service message available.

"The next train arriving in the ___ platform is not in service. Please do not bored the train."

It's interesting why there isn't attendants either... think something's wrong =S

There are message on the station display saying the train is out of service, but the destination sign on the train itself is OFF.

There's an attendant in the station, and she just watched all the people walking in....

CLC · #**8371** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:56 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname

so I watched about 50 people went in the OMC along with the out of service train.....

it is so funny and hard to believe. The station attendant clearly did not do his/her duty. However if I have the chance in this train, I will deliberately ride down for a tour (if there are others who also "choose" to stay on the train)

nname · #**8372** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 6:59 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLC

it is so funny and hard to believe. The station attendant clearly did not do his/her duty. However if I have the chance in this train, I will deliberately ride down for a tour (if there are others who also "choose" to stay on the train)

I would ride it too if I have more time to spare, but I need to go home (and I live in PoCo, so its a long trip... ><)

satishreddy · #**8373** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:04 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLC

The # are up to everyone best guess, but I feel you may greatly underestimate the Broadway-City hall station, given that it is the interchange point of the 80,000-rides Broadway buses and ~80,000-rides Canada Line.

You make a good point. I was being on the conservative side. My thinking is that Broadway will have slightly fewer boardings than Bridgeport, City Centre and Waterfront.

ravman · #**8374** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:27 AM**

does anyone have pics of the passenger counter?

btw my money... 100,000 avg daily usage will be roughly will be 2014. YVR is the most volitile..... I in my report done couple years go personally have estimated an $8 million dollar shortfall/year.

there is the Halcrow report from the canada line website and they have several docs on ridership.... one of which is a 150pgs calculation doc ( which btw i think is slightly optmistic)

Unregistered · #**8375** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:32 AM**

Calculations:

Expo Line: 28.9km Waterfront to King George, 39 minutes between terminii = 44.46km/h average

Millenium Line: 20.3km Columbia to VCC, 28 minutes = 43.5km/h average

Canada Line: 14.5km Waterfront to Richmond-Brighouse, 24 minutes: 36km/h average

SpongeG · #**8376** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:38 AM**

I used it around 8 pm coming back from richmond - the train that arrived at brighouse was jam packed full took a while to empty out

there were two women on the train - one was angry at someone or something - she said i this was the YVR train - i think they got on at bridgeport and she was whining i want to go to the airport why didn't they tell us this didn't go to the airport - anyway they got off at aberdeen and switched - they didn't look stupid - they didn't seem angry just loud and stupid

the train was pretty full on teh way back and people got on and off at each station - a lot got off at yaletown - where my friend and I got off - and a lot people got on there - the one escalator wasn't working

and the train was friggin muggy

mr.x · #**8377** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:39 AM**

Something along the lines of this would be perfect: "The next train to arrive on the inbound platform is for Waterfront. Please let passengers exit first before boarding the train."

The sexy automated station train destination announcements:

• Video Link

• Video Link

Regardless, the folks at the Canada Line have set a huge new standard for Translink to follow regarding electronic displays, automatic station announcements, and onboard train announcements. I'm very impressed.

NetMapel · #**8378** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:41 AM**

If you think 85,000 is a lot, I imagine that number will actually increase once all the bus integration happens on Sept 7.

SpongeG · #**8379** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:43 AM**

i noticed around quitting time a lot of commuters - not so many tourists or looky loos

mr.x · #**8380** Posted **Aug 20, 2009, 7:45 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Calculations:

Expo Line: 28.9km Waterfront to King George, 39 minutes between terminii = 44.46km/h average

Millenium Line: 20.3km Columbia to VCC, 28 minutes = 43.5km/h average

Canada Line: 14.5km Waterfront to Richmond-Brighouse, 24 minutes: 36km/h average

Hopefully they will increase the speed of the train at some sections to reduce the travel time to maybe 21-22 minutes (this should especially be done if more stations are to be added to the line in the future).

The section from King Edward to Broadway could definitely be much faster.