Canada Line | Completed - Page 395

Distill3d · #**7881** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:26 AM**

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(1) Current situation: M line

About 20km in length
Connects to Expo Line at Broadway
B Line going west on Broadway to UBC
Cost: about 1Billion in 2000 dollars

(2) Alternative: Broadway West Line

About 12K in length
Broadway Station to UBC
Underground most of way to UBC
B Line along Lougheed/Broadway to Broadway station
Cost: My guess is roughly the same as current M line -shorter, but more expensive to build underground

^I doubt any extension down Broadway will connect to the current infrastructure at Broadway Station. Thats why VCC-Clark was created.

Metro-One · #**7882** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:28 AM**

satishreddy has his mind made up, even though I have already explained to him the politics behind the decisions (such as the pro-sktrain attitude of the tri-cities and the anit-skytrain attitude of the Broadway Corridor)

So who would you rather serve first, those who want it or those who will fight you ever step of the way. (costing more money and time then necessary).

mr.x · #**7883** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Just a reminder for everyone tomorrow, you are more then welcome to post photos and videos, but you are limited to 10 photos per post. We are also looking for your impressions and opinions on the Canada Line. Again, this thread will be closed on September 7th when bus service for the Canada Line kicks in.

Don't close the thread, let it die out naturally instead of euthanizing a perfectly good thread.

Metro-One · #**7884** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:29 AM**

or maybe close it on Dec 31st of this year, give us a good amount of time to comment on the line and see everything take shape.

mr.x · #**7885** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by satishreddy

(2) Alternative: Broadway West Line

About 12K in length
Broadway Station to UBC
Underground most of way to UBC
B Line along Lougheed/Broadway to Broadway station
Cost: My guess is roughly the same as current M line -shorter, but more expensive to build undergroundp

I would read over officedweller's post in the previous page.

An extension of the Expo Line along Broadway as a T-line simply isn't possible for capacity and practical reasons.

A SkyTrain extension all the way to UBC from the Millennium Line's VCC Station would cost $2.8-billion.
- extension map: http://ubcskytrain.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/construction-methods2.png

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

or maybe close it on Dec 31st of this year, give us a good amount of time to comment on the line and see everything take shape.

A good compromise.

mr.x · #**7886** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:34 AM**

Anyhow, we're hours away from the inaugural Canada Line train. This is the wrong topic to be discussing this.

squeezied · #**7887** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

This is probably the last time I'll say this.. 97 B-Line does not represent the potential ridership here in NES as most people are trying to avoid it as it is the slowest route possible to travel between Coquitlam Station and Skytrain. I personally have taken bus out of the region about 100 to 200 times per year, and I haven't take the 97 for about 5 years now.

pretty much the same can be said for the 99 b-line. i know quite a few ppl at ubc who insist on driving along broadway cuz the 99 is just ridiculous

Distill3d · #**7888** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by mr.x

Anyhow, we're hours away from the inaugural Canada Line train. This is the wrong topic to be discussing this.

Agreed...

Who's going to the opening? Is there a meet planned?

mr.x · #**7889** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:40 AM**

^ i'll be working for YVR to help deal with the crowds.

Yume-sama · #**7890** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by Distill3d

Agreed...

Who's going to the opening? Is there a meet planned?

I'll ride it at some point. Going to Granville Island in the morning (sure wish the Skytrain went there!) and will probably just go from Downtown - Yaletown.

deasine · #**7891** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Distill3d

Agreed...

Who's going to the opening? Is there a meet planned?

There is now, Metro-One and I are meeting at Waterfront Stn at 12:00 by the Starbucks.

Distill3d · #**7892** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

There is now, Metro-One and I are meeting at Waterfront Stn at 12:00 by the Starbucks.

Count me in on that action.

Yume-sama · #**7893** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

There is now, Metro-One and I are meeting at Waterfront Stn at 12:00 by the Starbucks.

Most vague meeting place ever in a city like Vancouver.

nname · #**7894** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by satishreddy

Thanks for the quick response Mr X.

In my opinion, order of priority should have been:

(1) Expo Line
(2) Broadway West -> from current Broadway station to UBC
(3) Current Canada Line
(4) Current Millenium Line
(5) Evergreen Line at some point in the future if ever

I would have to disagree to the list, I would think the Evergreen Line would rank higher, especially before Surrey, as ridership are still building up in the area (give it a few years after implementing the B-Line.. so I guess that would be the 3rd line in the list).

Another reason? Despite how the northeast sector always seems to have low transit ridership.. it have quite high cost recovery compared to other regions:

Code:

Burnaby/New West	85%	2004
Tri-Cities		64%	2004
North Shore		39%	2004
Richmond		37%	2002
P Meadows/Maple Ridge	32%	2008
South Delta/White Rock	21%	2008

* note: Estimate only, assume SkyTrain cost split at 2004 (25M Van, 30M BNW, 6M SOF), WCE split (7M TRI, 6M PMR, 1M AM), SeaBus split (3.5M Van, 3.5M NS)

Source: the last page of each old area transit plan.

Its so hard to get the cost recovery per region/route data, as TransLink is so reluctant to release them... and they are not releasing them anymore with newer ATPs...

ravman · #**7895** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by paradigm4

Exciting news from Ken Hardie, TransLink's communications head.

His latest tweets reveal some new TransLink data that estimates the Canada Line will hit 100,000 riders per day - which, at that number, will cover operating costs and private contributions. Originally it was estimated to hit that mark in 2013!

So he is therefore saying that the famed and touted "HALCROW" report is wrong? I have yet to see a revised version of the HALCROW REPORT
, but i do see him responding to pple, like me, who are questioning this autocatic govt.... I think time will tell, but at the moment, he is pulling number from his "bottom"... But mark my words... "CANADA LINE WILL BE THE BIGGEST BOONDOOGLE IN BC's HISTORY" See you in 33 years!

btw a full play-by-play

Stephen Rees posted :

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Another blog post on the #CanadaLine http://bit.ly/QOc9I and its potential financial impact on Translink. Inspired by a Straight story

Ken replied

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@stephen_rees - At 100k riders per day, we're covering operating costs and private contributions. New data says we'll hit that mark in 2010

Peter Louwe replied to ken

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@KenHardie I'm dubious about ridership projections for the Canada Line, but hope I'm wrong.

Ken replied again

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@peterlouwe -- We're in good shape for 2013, but the new news is that #CanadaLine could hit the ridership target in 2010 -- we'll see

btw links for ridership projection @ http://www.canadaline.ca/pubLibDocs.asp?ID=6

mr.x · #**7896** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 7:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

Most vague meeting place ever in a city like Vancouver.

lol, i would think that meant the Starbucks just outside of the SeaBus/WCE/SkyTrain entrance in the CPR building....assuming they haven't opened another Starbucks inside.

SpongeG · #**7897** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 8:22 AM**

what will everyone be wearing?

so its easy to identify

deasine · #**7898** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 8:25 AM**

If I remember, I'll have a SSP logo on my shirt... how nerdy =)

mr.x · #**7899** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 8:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by ravman

So he is therefore saying that the famed and touted "HALCROW" report is wrong? I have yet to see a revised version of the HALCROW REPORT
, but i do see him responding to pple, like me, who are questioning this autocatic govt.... I think time will tell, but at the moment, he is pulling number from his "bottom"... But mark my words... "CANADA LINE WILL BE THE BIGGEST BOONDOOGLE IN BC's HISTORY" See you in 33 years!

btw a full play-by-play

Stephen Rees posted :
Ken replied
Peter Louwe replied to ken

Ken replied again

btw links for ridership projection @ http://www.canadaline.ca/pubLibDocs.asp?ID=6

More and more, it seems like you'd rather see things fail just to prove a political point.

nova9 · #**7900** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 8:46 AM**

I'll be there. I'll just hassle strangers until I find one of youse. HAha.