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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 10:42 PM
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A 20-page Canada Line feature? —?
A lot of people still don't have a clue about the Canada Line. They're like "So where does this go exactly?". "The airport? Richmond? Downtown? Cooool!".
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 11:05 PM
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That is still les than the cost of taking the Airporter bus to/from YVR and alot faster. You would figure on getting a small discount for buying round trip though.

The airport link to the rest of the line was paid for by the airport, so I bet the extra $2.50 goes to airport authority instead of to Translink.
The Airporter is shutting down.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/08/14/bc-airporter-shutdown.html

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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 11:07 PM
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^ my colleagues working with me on the Canada Line opening day told me there are massive pieces on the Canada Line in the Province and Vancouver Sun throughout the weekend on Monday, but I'd never imagine it would be as long as 20-PAGES.....it's also why we're expecting a gong show on Monday. The Chinese newspapers have also advertised it quite well.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 11:10 PM
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I came across a short slideshow of Canada Line tour at CBC website.

http://www.cbc.ca/bc/features/soundslides/canadaline/
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 11:12 PM
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I've had a couple of colleagues ask me to tell them about the Canada Line. I launch into details about train capacity and frequency, hours of operation, and the differences between the new trains and the Bombardier SkyTrain cars. They inevitably follow up by asking if it goes downtown. "Yes", I stammer, "and the airport and Richmond too".

"Cool. Is it up in the air like SkyTrain?"

"Some of it. The Vancouver part is underground."

"Like a subway? Very cool. How did I not know about this?"



The 20 page supplement was pretty good too. I think the media blitz is a wise idea, so is starting the line in the summer before school starts. A friend of mine is going to Langara this fall and she is so happy that there will be a SkyTrain station five minutes from her classroom.

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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 11:37 PM
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yeah, I have friends that think the Canada Line goes to UBC. They go to UBC - you'd think they would notice construction.

other people I've spoken to think it's the Evergreen Line.

Sigh. Stupidity knows no bounds.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 11:58 PM
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Frances Bula article for Monday's Globe and Mail
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Canada Line set to launch Monday

Flat, suburban Richmond suddenly feels like a city of the future as we slide through the air amid its dense and glassy clusters of towers.

The Vancouver International Airport is transformed to just a station on the line (albeit a very, very big one) a few stops from downtown, preceded by a spectacular vertigo-inducing flight across the Fraser River on a unique bridge, supported partly by cables.

And, even underground, the city's new Canada Line generates visual drama when the square tunnel of the cut-and-cover section transforms abruptly to the circular Time Travel tunnel – the bored section – as it descends under False Creek.

Vancouver has always provided a unique sensory experience to riding rapid-transit that other cities have envied , with its largely above-ground system that gives passengers panoramic views of the city and mountains.

Now, it's added to that with its third line opening Monday, the $2-billion, 19-kilometre Canada Line, which will give travellers new views of the busy mouth of the Fraser, the increasingly urban-looking Richmond, and the southern industrial edge of Vancouver.

In the past six years, the line generated a frenzy of political wrangling, public complaints about the cost and process, and a so-far successful lawsuit against the line's builders by a fed-up Cambie Street business owner.

But it's also a line that's generated much more excitement than previous ones, with 40,000 people expected during the peak hours of Monday's eight-hour opening. The Globe and Mail got a sneak preview last week with Jane Bird, the woman who has overseen its construction, Steve Crombie from InTransit, the company that will be running it, and random groups of line workers getting ready for opening day with boxes of fortune cookies, buttons, boarding passes and promotional material for every station.

The new line definitely feels different. The cars are a third wider than the cars on the Expo and Millennium lines, with roomier seats, along with space for bicycles, luggage and 200 people apiece. (Cost: $3-million each for the 40 cars.) Because the line and cars are a different technology from that used for Expo and Millennium, they don't and will never connect directly. As a result, passengers will always have to get off and transfer at Waterfront Station, a trip that requires going up to street level and back down again.

It has a couple of noticeable dips and hills, providing a mild roller-coaster experience, especially in the underground sections that are the first real tunnels built for rapid transit in the city. (The Expo tunnel is really old railway line.) But, as Mr. Crombie explained, the ride is smoother because there is more cushioning, almost like airbags, between the car and wheels.

And the station décor is updated from the white-bathroom-tile, eighties look of the Expo Line. Now, stations feature slate-grey ceramic tile on the floors, with cream tiles on the walls and various types of colour punctuation depending on which architecture firm built which “family” of stations.

There are distinctive elements to some stations. The Templeton Station on Sea Island has mostly parking lot and dirt around it, but provides a spectacular, glass-framed view of planes coming in. At Broadway, you walk off the street almost directly onto the platform thanks to the way the slope works – an unusual feature for a subway. The YVR station leads you to a new reception area, complete with newly carved “welcoming” totem-style pole, which the airport built.

For Ms. Bird, the one-time corporate lawyer who has spent four years riding herd on a project that cost $50-million a month, seeing it all come to fruition at last is euphoria-inducing.

She hopes people will see it, eventually, as not just a transit line, but part of the city, the way all good subway lines are.

“The Paris Metro is part of Paris, it feels like it's part of the lifeblood of Paris. We're still a baby city, but you aspire to grow up and have your line be an integral part of your community.”
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 12:37 AM
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I especially like the article of unequivocally stating that the C-line will NEVER connect to the others due to different technology. Thank you!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 12:39 AM
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^ Good piece. I always like Frances Bula's writing. I think she might be off, though, on pricing each car at $3 million instead of each train. Not bad though, considering I found numerous inconsistencies in the Sun's supplement.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 12:44 AM
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^ She's actually right on the pricing of the trains (I had no idea the writer was a female until now).

I've been in touch with Jean-Marc Arbaud (President and CEO of InTransitBC) previously, and he said that the 40-cars cost more than $100-million altogether. The $3-million/car figure fits in perfectly.

I've gotta say he wasn't very pleased with my platform rantings.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 1:16 AM
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Umm... okay.


Source | Photographer: iwona_kellie
I'm not sure what my reaction should be...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 1:30 AM
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^ were they even moving or were they stationary?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 1:38 AM
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Vancouver Sun
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Huge crowds expected to ride the new Canada Line on Monday

TransLink anticipates 100,000 to take advantage of the free ride

By Richard J. Dalton Jr. , Vancouver Sun

METRO VANCOUVER — Burnaby resident Tom Ser can't wait to take the Canada Line on its debut Monday, but there is just one glitch: He can't find the Waterfront station entrance to the new line.

“I’m still looking," he said while eating lunch at the nearby Waterfront Centre.

In fact, Waterfront Station’s entrances include one at Granville and Hastings and a second in the Canadian Pacific station building.

Passengers can ride the new $2-million rapid transit line for free between 1 p.m. and 9 p.m. on Monday.

TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie said 100,000 people are expected to ride the train during this time.

The huge crowds will provide the transit authority good practice for throngs of visitors during the Olympics.

Translink expects long lines at several stations: Waterfront, Vancouver City Centre, Cambie, Oakridge, Bridgeport and the YVR-Airport stations.

On the way downtown, the transit authority will encourage people to exit at Vancouver City Centre because it expects the Waterfront station to be especially overcrowded, Hardie said.


He advises people to check Translink.ca for updates on the length of lines at various stations. Travellers can get updates by following kenhardie on Twitter.

Also, visit www.vancouversun.com on Monday for breaking news, photo galleries and blogs from the Canada Line opening.

Note: no bikes or pets will be permitted on Monday.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 1:49 AM
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cool stuff

yah so many people are clueless about the system - some think you can get on at surrey and stay on all the way to richmond
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 2:02 AM
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"$2-million rapid transit line"

Anyway, looking forward to tomorrow to see how it goes. I probably will wait till Tuesday or even the following weekend before I try it out.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 3:03 AM
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Canada Line 3 Billion Dollars Over Budget!

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Local taxpayers pay heavily for new rail line


By Frank Luba, The ProvinceAugust 16, 2009


A train arrives at the Templeton Station on the Canada Line/YVR this week as it prepares to go into operation on Monday.

A train arrives at the Templeton Station on the Canada Line/YVR this week as it prepares to go into operation on Monday.
Photograph by: Wayne Leidenfrost, The Province, The Province

Without help from the federal government and the province of B.C., the Canada Line wouldn't have been built.

But unlike the Expo and Millennium SkyTrain lines, local government and its taxpayers have to pay what is arguably the biggest portion of the $2.05-billion tab for the public-private project.

TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie said the transportation authority's capital contribution to the project is $366 million, which it is amortizing over 32 years.

The payments on that debt, which includes the extra cost to make the North Arm Bridge accessible for cyclists and pedestrians, range from $35 million to $40 million and began in 2005. The capital payments continue through to 2037.

TransLink also has to pay the project's private partner, InTransitB.C., annual payments for operating costs and repaying their capital costs beginning this year and running for the remaining 32 years of their contract.

The payments ramp up as the line begins service, so only total $33.6 million this year. That figure jumps to $82.9 million in 2010 and breaks the $100-million mark in 2012 with a payment of $104.1 million. The payment schedule was only available to 2019, when the bill hits a high of $121.6 million.

The schedule might not be available but the payments will continue and that's among the reasons why Burnaby Mayor Derek Corrigan has been such a long-time opponent of the project. Corrigan pointed out TransLink is on the hook for about a billion dollars of Canada Line debt -- its own capital costs and repaying the $720 million put up by InTransitB.C..

Corrigan also objects to a budget that grew by about $500 million from original estimates; the fact that the province stipulated the project had to be a public-private partnership; and that it pushed the Richmond route ahead of the Evergreen Line connection to Coquitlam.

"The Canada Line [cost] was estimated to be $1.5 to $1.6 billion," said Corrigan. "It was estimated [to be that] by the provincial government and TransLink at the time the project was put together.

"Everything they've done has been what has caused TransLink's problem," said the fiery former chairman of B.C. Transit. "[TransLink] is servicing a billion dollars of debt on the Canada Line."

TransLink, the regional transportation authority, is running on surplus funds which run out after 2011. It is currently seeking more revenue from Lower Mainland residents or it will have to cut service. The situation has prompted new Transportation Minister Shirley Bond to ask Comptroller-general Cheryl Wenezenki-Yolland to review how TransLink does business.

There are other implications to the big bills, most notably TransLink's shortage of funds for the Evergreen Line -- which was supposed to be built at the same time as the Canada Line. "As I predicted, the northeast sector line hasn't even started, and it's unlikely to start in the near future," said Corrigan.

Federal taxpayers paid the biggest up-front chunk of the Canada Line bill with a contribution of $450 million, said Canada Line spokesman Alan Dever. He said the provincial government added $252 million during the construction phase and is responsible for another $166 million during the operating period for performance payments.

Vancouver International Airport contributed $259 million and the City of Vancouver spent $29 million to add the stop at 2nd Avenue that will be the Olympic Village Station.

InTransitB.C. put up the remaining $720 million but that is to be repaid during the course of the contract, as long as operating standards are maintained. In fact, the deal is structured so that InTransitB.C. can make a profit if it holds up its end of the P3 deal.
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Translink has to pay over a 100 MILLION DOLLARS/ YEAR for the next 30ish years.... quick math 100 MILLION *30 years = 3 BILLION dollars!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 3:10 AM
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^ that's equivalent to saying it won't cost anything to build and operate the Canada Line and that there's no interest for the money needed to build the line. The only difference is local taxpayers who benefit most from the line are paying more for it instead of costs entirely diluted by the province like the first two SkyTrain lines.

Interesting how you're taking the word from Derek Corrigan of all people....it shows how much you know.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 3:18 AM
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Anyhow, the line is finally opening. Most of us here have been waiting for eons for this to happen, and I simply can't wait!

It only seemed just like yesterday that there was infighting within Translink over which Line should be built and with the whole NIMBY and pro-LRT/bus people trying to crush the project.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 3:30 AM
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^ that's equivalent to saying it won't cost anything to build and operate the Canada Line and that there's no interest for the money needed to build the line. The only difference is local taxpayers who benefit most from the line are paying more for it instead of costs entirely diluted by the province like the first two SkyTrain lines.
3 BILLION DOLLARS is not chum change... the Fast ferries were 500 million dollars over budget and gorod was flipping out like mad and now we see the Canada Line over 3 BILLION DOLLARS OVER BUDGET...... looks like the P3 with SNC Lavalin was the WRONG MOVE for the people of BC!!!!

The line COULD have been much better, yet we are left with third world transit system
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2009, 3:42 AM
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Opening day on the Canada Line:



Who else is excited to ride our "third World" system!
     
     
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