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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 4:56 AM
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Well, why not have the SkyTrain come screaming into the new Student Union Building? That would make for a fairly impressive entrance into campus.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 5:39 AM
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The Underground Bus Loop - analyzed to death
Wow - what a bunch of —. Based on this, people would never use an underground station such as the Canada Line. There are lots of examples of buses running on the left to access central platforms (Metrotown, most of Edmonton's bus stations)- they're professional drivers - there won't be an accident. Give me a break.

The only thing I find dumb is not installing trolley overhead, instead the trolleys will stay on the surface.

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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 6:08 AM
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Please refrain from quoting like that... =__="
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 2:55 PM
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UBC Bus Loop should work like the Downtown Transit Tunnel they have down in Seattle:



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But again...this looks way better:


You could still have something like that...as the ticketing concourse for an underground stn.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 5:16 PM
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Question Vancouver's transit system versus Seattle's. Info?

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how Vancouver's transit system compares to Seattle's on an overall basis? We were in there first, and were (and still are) considerably smaller than Metro Seattle - by about a milion people. But Seattle, although it uses somewhat more conventional rolling stock, seems to be going places with its system, or am I wrong. Who knows anything about their system and how it stacks up against ours?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 5:58 PM
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Some details about the "drastic cuts" scenario from Translink

Additional West Coast Express cars will be sold upon delivery without new funding

I was reading over the summary of Translinks' 10-Year plan and noticed an interesting note about the West Coast Express. The seven new bi-level commuter rail cars that are on order will be sold off to another transit agency if Translink receives no new funding.

http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...2010%2010%20Year%20Plan%20Summaries.ashx

Service hour cuts

http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...nk%202010%2010%20Year%20BASE%20Plan.ashx [page 30]

Another tidbit of infortmation:
"The older Mark I vehicles, most of which date from 1985, will be refurbished to extend their service life to 2026. This includes an electrical and mechanical refurbishment to replace worn and obsolete components."
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...nk%202010%2010%20Year%20BASE%20Plan.ashx [page 35]

Lots of interesting stuff in here:
"Rapid Transit Studies
Both Transport 2040 and the Provincial Transit Plan outline a significant program of rapid transit expansion to achieve 2020 and 2040 transportation objectives. The 2010 10-Year Base Plan contains no funding for such expansion. Planning will continue in anticipation of evolving demands and in anticipation of future funding. The development of a regional Rapid Transit Plan is underway and is expected to be completed by mid-2011. This initiative will determine:
• The long-term needs and vision for rapid transit; the corridor, technology and general timing will also be identified.
• Integration requirements for new rapid transit lines.
• Near-term improvements to the existing network to support anticipated expansion.
The intent of the Rapid Transit Plan is to provide a reasonable level of certainty on the scope of expansion required in the future. Endorsement of the Rapid Transit Plan will be sought from key funding agencies."
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...nk%202010%2010%20Year%20BASE%20Plan.ashx [page 35]

I'm sure this will go over well:
"A 40 per cent reduction in bus service will have an enormous impact on the public transit system. In making cuts of this magnitude to bus service, many issues will be carefully considered, and the overall efficiency and effectiveness of services will be examined. Criteria and guiding
principles for making service cuts will be developed. Some of these guiding principles will include, but not be limited to, the following:
• Retaining high-cost recovery routes.
• Prioritizing peak-period service.
• Minimizing overlapping services.
• Eliminating recent proactive transit service expansion that serves new areas or areas of low density. The impact of service cuts on residents, who will no longer have any access to public transit, will be examined. Productivity will be the primary criteria for determining where and at what times service cuts will be implemented. Route productivity is generally linked to time of day and day of the week; TransLink will make every effort to retain service on the most productive routes, at the most productive times of day and the most productive days of the week. Based on
preliminary analyses, some examples of where service reductions are likely to occur and high-level estimates on the magnitude of those cuts include:
• Peak periods, Monday to Friday – one-quarter of services cut.
• Mid-day, Monday to Friday – one-third of services cut.
• Evenings, Monday to Friday – over onethird of services cut.
• Late Evenings, Monday to Friday – two thirds of services cut.
• Saturdays – over one-third of services cut.
• Sundays/Holidays – one-half of services cut.
TransLink will work with the operating subsidiaries on implementing these service reductions by the end of 2011."
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...nk%202010%2010%20Year%20BASE%20Plan.ashx [page 37]

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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 6:23 PM
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Mr.X that was a very detailed and informative post on the UBC Bus loop. I agree whole-heartedly with most of what you've identified as problems. I really do think this is a really short-sighted attempt at forcing Translinks hand by UBC.

Honestly, there is nothing inherently wrong with the current bus loop. It works just as any other bus loops does around the world. I use this thing every single day during the school year so I know this first hand. There is absolutely no reason why an underground bus loop is NEEDED in the first place.

UBC is a campus for learning, but it is also a business. What I'm starting to realize is that this plan is a business plan, and a calculated risk UBC is taking to improve their profits. The land for the current bus loops and SUB will be converted for more residential/commercial use, thus creating more lease/rent revenue.

The bus-loop is shoved underground. Assuming it works perfectly, UBC garners world-wide acclaim for designing and building (since they are funding it), one of the worlds most efficient bus-loops.

If all does not go to plan and the bus loops has massive hic-cups, this will force translink hand to build the skytrain extension to bail UBC. UBC can always blame the increase in ridership, and human negligence on Translinks part (since they'll be the ones actually doomed with USING the faulty bus-loop) for the problems arising in the bus-loop. UBC gets their skytrain extension and they can now flaunt this in the faces of millions of prospective students, driving more revenue.

This is a revenue generating — by UBC. Who loses ultimately are the students that have to bear with it.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2009, 6:27 PM
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^ if i were Translink, i'd tell UBC to shove it and that "you had a perfectly good bus loop, but then you replaced it (despite our recommendations not to) with one that's half that size and underground. Live with it".
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 4:03 AM
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The K7 page of Canada Line section on today printed Vancouver Sun has a quote of the current 99B-Line riders per day, and it is : 80,000

is it the most used bus line in Canada ?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 4:13 AM
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The K7 page of Canada Line section on today printed Vancouver Sun has a quote of the current 99B-Line riders per day, and it is : 80,000

is it the most used bus line in Canada ?
I read that. Clearly, Broadway's ridership is more than 100 000.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 4:36 AM
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Wow, all those cuts are pretty drastic. They better not sell off the new WCE cards and if anything we need more money for basic state of good repair. A clean transit system is a good transit system.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 5:06 AM
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The K7 page of Canada Line section on today printed Vancouver Sun has a quote of the current 99B-Line riders per day, and it is : 80,000

is it the most used bus line in Canada ?
If that's the case, it beat the busiest TTC bus+streetcar line by almost a factor of 2:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yynyg42jmtj

It guess ti should be the busiest bus line in Canada and US... and should be 3rd or 4th busiest bus+LRT+streetcar line (after Boston Green Line, Calgary C-Train 201, and maybe 202, but that line is only at 60,000 riders at 2007).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 2:44 PM
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Wow, all those cuts are pretty drastic. They better not sell off the new WCE cards and if anything we need more money for basic state of good repair. A clean transit system is a good transit system.
That report really annoys me - totally fear-mongering to get more money from the Province - it's a political report, not a true estimate of what needs to be done. 40% cut to bus service - get real, might as well cut their own throats because that would be the end of Translink.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 2:49 PM
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^ perhaps they are using it as a threat to get more money....
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2009, 2:54 PM
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The K7 page of Canada Line section on today printed Vancouver Sun has a quote of the current 99B-Line riders per day, and it is : 80,000

is it the most used bus line in Canada ?
That number is wrong. The 99 B line carries around 45,000 per day, the 9 and 17 add another 35,000 or so between them - total on all routes on Broadway is around 80,000.

Some Toronto routes are busier than the B-line - notably the streetcars (the busy streetcar routes carry around 50,000 per day), but the Broadway corridor is probably one of the busiest non-rail corridors in Canada, if not North America.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2009, 2:50 AM
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A cool blog article: http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/17/seattle-to-vancouver-on-public-transit/

It details the journey of an intern in Seattle's all transit journey from Seattle to Vancouver (our vancouver). Makes me want to try it. Haha.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2009, 3:56 AM
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^ Huh. That does sound really interesting. 9 hours to get from Seattle to Vancouver by transit. Wow.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2009, 5:17 AM
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^ Huh. That does sound really interesting. 9 hours to get from Seattle to Vancouver by transit. Wow.
You can actually get from Vancouver, BC to Portland Oregon by transit. Southbound I think you need one overnight, but northbound can be done in a day.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2009, 5:23 AM
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Canada Line capacity calculation

In light of the Canada Line's very successful free day of travel and the long lines that formed I found myself returning to the system's capacity of 15,000 passengers per hour. I dug out a calculator and plugged in 15,000 (pax per direction, per hour) and divided that by 400 (passengers per train at crush load) to find out how many trains would be required to run per direction per hour to meet the system capacity. That worked out to 37.5 trains. However it only takes 25-30 minutes to run the length of the line so we can halve that number to find out how many trains you need to run each half hour and that yielded 19 trains. With half running in each direction per hour 19 trains should, on paper, be able to move 15,000 people per hour. They put all 19 (1 spare) into opreation today when the original 14 proved inadequate. For a time today we saw the Canada Line at its full people-moving capacity.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2009, 5:25 AM
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A cool blog article: http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/17/seattle-to-vancouver-on-public-transit/

It details the journey of an intern in Seattle's all transit journey from Seattle to Vancouver (our vancouver). Makes me want to try it. Haha.
Gotta say, I agree with this statement in the blog:

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. I saw workers install a large sign proclaiming “Welcome to British Columbia, Canada. The Best Place On Earth.” I found that statement pretentious and tacky, especially for welcoming people from all over the world attending the Olympics. What’s wrong with “Beautiful British Columbia”?
     
     
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