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If you are trying to post PDFs as an image tag, it doesn't work. You must take a screenshot of the PDF.
     
     
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A pdf is not an image - you will need to convert each to a jpg or bmp and then host on Imageshack or other hosting service and then display as an image.
     
     
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ugh, man there really should be a better way to do this! Talk about busy work. Also I am using a mac and i can't figure out how to do a screenshot on a mac (it will only allow me to save them as pdfs). On previous posts i have been able to display PDFs by adding an image tag, sure they lag when scrolling but it works!
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ugh, man there really should be a better way to do this! Talk about busy work. Also I am using a mac and i can't figure out how to do a screenshot on a mac (it will only allow me to save them as pdfs).
Command > Shift > 3 should be screenshot as png onto the desktop. It's actually easier with a mac. Can you imagine the time Mr. X spent with the images of the Canada Line Public Consultations?
     
     
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Thanks Deasine! I have been trying to figure that out since i got my mac! Working on it now
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The SFPR, as of now



The overview




Freeway Begins

Delta Port Interchange







Highway 99 interchange









Tilbury Interchange





Sunbury/Nordel Way Interchange









Tannery Road Interchange





End of Freeway











104th Ave Interchange



End of Principal Road

Golden Ears Bridge Connector




So essentially why don't they combine those two signalized intersections at the east end of the project into one interchange?

Also what is this "Construction by Others" at the end of the project. Who are these others? Translink? The City of Surrey?

Overall it is looking better!
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"Construction by Others" is in reference to the fact that the remaining portion of the SFPR right up to Hwy 1/Hwy15 is part of the PMB/Hwy 1 project.

Apparently that decision was made roughly a year ago. Why? Probably due to budget considerations as property acquisition for the SFPR was roughly $400 million and over budget due to the real estate market.

Now if they can just redesign the Hwy 15/SFPR/Hwy 1 interchange to remove the two silly traffic lights at each end we are in business.

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/gateway/PMH1/doc...H1_18_176th_Street_Reference_Concept.pdf

Besides, with an "expressway standard" highway, all major crossings are constructed as interchanges and the minor crossings usually remain signalized intersections until traffic warrants conversion.

PS. Thanks for the flow-through .pdf graphics!

Edited to Add: Yeah, good point about the closely spaced 130th St./136th St. intersections. They should just extend the frontage road from 136th St. to 130th St. and convert 130th St. to an interchange.

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is the SFPH going to have a Provincial highway # attached to it?
     
     
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is the SFPH going to have a Provincial highway # attached to it?
I would take that for granted as all BC MoT highways are numbered. For instance, the "Mary Hill Bypass" is BC-7B, "the Lougheed Hwy" is BC-7 and so on.

I suspect/guess that the SFPR will take on the designation BC-17 from its commencement in Tsawwassen and the existing/remaining portion of BC-17 eastward therefrom will become BC-17A to Hwy 99.

The Hwy 1 interchange will certainly become confusing - BC-15 southward/BC-17 westward.
     
     
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A discussion a while back focused upon the utilization of foam bocks as fill material for bridge approaches, which certainly is unusual in the conventional sense.

This somewhat interesting article might shed some more light on the matter:



Source: Journal of Commerce

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Innovation

Foam Blocks Replacing Conventional Fill Material

JEAN SORENSEN

correspondent

Looking like gigantic sugar cubes, geofoam or EPS (expanded polystyrene) blocks are becoming a trend on large-scale bridge or highway projects in B.C. and Alberta.

It’s use has grown as contractors work to bring in projects on time and on budget.

EPS is being used or has been used on the new Pitt River Bridge, the Golden Ears Bridge, the Coast Meridian Overpass, the new W. R. Bennett Bridge in B.C. and the Anthony Henday Drive Ring Road as well as the upcoming Spirit River road project in Alberta.

Until a decade ago, hogfuel was seen as an inexpensive lighter-weight fill material of choice, said David Harvey, senior bridge specialist for Associated Engineering responsible for the Pitt River Bridge.

However, hogfuel leachants stalled its popularity.

“When you use it in a concentrated zone, you need sheathing,” he said, but added that leaks still occurred and leachants reaching drainage system were found to be toxic.

Volcanic rock pumice, found in limited quantities in B.C., and also foaming concrete have been tried on smaller projects.

“The main use of geofoam is to reduce the loading of the embankment on the ground,” explained Kai–sing Hui, Trow geotechnical engineer for the embankments of the Golden Ears Bridge.

When heavier fills are loaded onto a site, the soil beneath must be able to withstand the weight of the embankment.

Lower levels of soil can be squeezed laterally or water gets squeezed out.

Either way, settling can occur over time and it can be detrimental.

Slumping can also occur in the road surfaces of highways.

To help with the problems, pre-loading is often done to mitigate shifting or decompression of soils, but it delays the start of construction and settlement can still occur afterwards.

Associated’s Craig Schaper, who has been involved in the Pitt River Bridge project, said that EPS on approach grades settles less as the years go by.

Geofoam is also being used more, said Schaper, because construction schedules are tighter as more projects today are design-build and contractors must finish on time.

Its popularity is “a recent phenomenon,” he said.

Hui said that on the Golden Ears bridge, EPS was used for the embankments providing a stable core for the bridge approaches and more.

“We also did something a bit ingenious,” he said.

Since the blocks stacked easily, the geofoam core allowed for the placement of facing, which not only provided a fire-proof seal, but an aesthetic-looking surface on three sides of the embankments.

Fire, oil and water are the drawbacks to using EPS.

Hui said to ensure the light-weight blocks don’t move in a flood, part of the design includes encasing them in sufficient mineral soils to keep them in place.

Gravel fill is normally placed over the blocks to spread the load before paving is done.

The material is also used in other ways.

Geofoam has also been used to protect underground utilities from traditional fill settling and breaking lines.

In Alberta, Beaver Plastics is a major supplier to the market.

Industrial products manager Robert Vasseur said it is being used on bridge abutments on the Henday Drive Ring Road.

“The owners, a consortium, are responsible for maintaining the road (over the next 20 years before it reverts to the province),” he said.

“It is being used to create a void for future use, so if the bridge needs to be widened, they can go in and remove the geofoam and drill for the new piles,” he said, adding it’s much cheaper than removing fill materials.

On Alberta’s Spirit River highway project there are two deep valleys that need crossing.

The blocks will provide a less costly way to build the bridge abutments compared to using fill that would have to be trucked to the area.

Work is expected to start next year.

One of B.C.’s largest suppliers of EPS is Mansonville Plastics (BC) Ltd., which has its own installation crews for projects.

“We worked on the Golden Ears Bridge and right now we are doing the Pitt River Bridge,” said Nick Micona, who specializes in geofoam sales.

Crews on the Pitt River Bridge project have been working 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. over the summer months on the highly-visible project.

“They are using 20-30,000 cubic metres (of EPS) in four different locations (two on each side of the bridge),” he explained.

Mansonville crews are also working on one side of the Coast Meridian Overpass in Coquitlam and will finish the other in September.

Micona said that EPS use is gaining traction because companies are building in areas where traditionally the soil is poor, as better sites have been exhausted.

These sites require new solutions.

“You can replace one million pounds of gravel with 5,000 pounds of foam,” he said.

Use of geofoam continues to grow

While Western Canada is starting to see more EPS (expanded polystyrene) use, it is common in Japan, Scandinavian countries and the U.S.

An excellent resource about the subject is the Geofoam Research Centre in New York, which is part of Syracuse University.

Its website provides information on projects and research initiatives around the globe.

In B.C., geofoam started appearing more than a decade ago on projects such as the Pat Bay Highway, the Stave Lake Bridge and the Roger Pierlet Bridge in Cloverdale.

More recent applications include the Golden Ears Bridge project, the Howe Street Overpass in New Westminster and Richmond’s Olympic Oval.

When used to build overpasses on softer ground, it can actually prolong life by 15-20 per cent.
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Thanks a lot for that article. The first time I saw it I was scratching my head, hehe.

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Either way, settling can occur over time and it can be detrimental.

Man, Vancouver has to have some of the worst built roads in the developed world that are textbook examples of this. Worst places are; Marine way between Boundary and New Westminster, The #1 from the Port Mann to Brunette and once again from Gaglardi to Kensington (which hopefully Gateway corrects) and in many areas along the 91.
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Thanks a lot for that article. The first time I saw it I was scratching my head, hehe.

Man, Vancouver has to have some of the worst built roads in the developed world that are textbook examples of this. Worst places are; Marine way between Boundary and New Westminster, The #1 from the Port Mann to Brunette and once again from Gaglardi to Kensington (which hopefully Gateway corrects) and in many areas along the 91.
I think all of those stretches are on peat bogs.
     
     
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That is not an excuse for their current unsafe condition though, they should be re-built (and this time with better pre-loading). To me that is like excusing a building that is leaning because it is built on soft soil, instead of fixing it.
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by terms of construction quality i have to agree... those roads are liable to give motion sickness after awhile...

Looking at the images again there's two main points that I think should be raised:

* I'm still not entirely sure what purpose the northern section of the new highway 17 between Pattullo and Golden Ears will do in terms of getting truck traffic moving. It would work better I think to have the road stop at an interchange to and from highway 1 east. Also there are no existing truck routes running through that area.

* The Tilbury interchange is designed also somewhat suspiciously (and at best very oddly). There's a stub road in the design there. It seems very unnecessary unless they have thoughts of future road expansion going through Burns Bog, which wouldn't be very well received.

I could also express concern over the expropriation of property from homeowners affected by the construction of the new route between Alex Fraser and Fraser-Surrey Docks. Actually... if they made a new truck-only two lane road along the shore, that may alleviate some of the congestion along River Road and it may also cost less than expropriation and removal of the affected homes. Cars would benefit from less trucks running around. To be honest I'm not too sure however how noise impacts will go with that option, and there may be some disturbance of the Fraser River south shore to allow for a new road. Also, my words will probably have little effect due to how construction is already progressing and how the people who are controlling this project are keen to see it progress despite the various issues raised by those concerned about the roadway's potential negative impacts.

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* I'm still not entirely sure what purpose the northern section of the new highway 17 between Pattullo and Golden Ears will do in terms of getting truck traffic moving. It would work better I think to have the road stop at an interchange to and from highway 1 east. Also there are no existing truck routes running through that area.
SFPR connects to Hwy 1 at 176 St basically, it's too steep to go from SFPR directly to Hwy 1 at say the Port Mann Bridge.
     
     
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Wouldn't it be possible to slowly elevate the section between Pattullo and Port Mann?
     
     
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Sure, anything's possible if you have enough money.
     
     
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Exactly, it is all about money. For example if I had access to unlimited funds i would design the SFPR to be a viaduct for its entire western section (over the ALR) so the farm land below the highway could still be used as farmland (this is done in Japan in many rural areas). But that would add 100s of millions of dollars to the project, and knowing all the anti highway sentiments in this city, such an expendature would kill the project completely.

But i do agree with allan kuan about the Tilbury Interchange. While I am happy to see that an interchange has been put in place (instead of a signalized intersection) why is the interchange not designed as a T-interchange? (example is where the 91 meets the 99 near Boundary bay). I don't like the idea of building into the bog.
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