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Old Posted Jul 1, 2009, 6:03 PM
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I'm surprised Southwest didn't jump on that route unless they knew its not going to be profitable. Makes me think Alaska Airlines is willing to take the risk in order to get more recognition. Expect the service to be short lived though, then maybe JetBlue will try. More realistic might be a San Jose, Austin, and an East Coast destination with no plane change in Austin. Usually can get back in the air within an hour.
I have no hard evidence, but from everything I've heard the "Nerd Bird" was always quite full. When the news came out that AA was cutting the service, many were shocked because it didn't make sense. Alaska Airlines wouldn't pick up this route if they didn't think it would be profitable, and they wouldn't start flying out of ABIA just to get name recognition. I don't they would fly out of any market for that reason, but if so it would probably be a major airport like DFW of IAH.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2009, 8:33 PM
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Figure that airlines need a full plane to be marginally profitable, factor in the frequent tech flyers cashing in their miles, fuller planes, less revenue, and more on-line conferences becoming a much cheaper alternative in an economy that's down right now, AA probably was starting to lose money on that route. I'm in retail and we are seing much less air travel in our company and more on-line conferencing. Use to see our regional rep face to face all the time, now its screen to screen. Its like Green Bay letting Brett Farve go, they were done with him, the Jets thought there was still value there and got him, and, well, you know the results.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2009, 9:40 PM
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the_Genrl, the plane was full all the time -- American's just getting greedy; wanting to shunt people through their hub where they make more money. It would work against other legacies.

Remains to be seen if the high-tech crowd can get over their love of Super-Platinum Membership and grow up and get on Southwest. (Can you tell I've had this discussion at my office?)
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2009, 11:06 PM
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How many non hub non stop routes is American dropping besides the nerd-bird from ABIA? Nationally? I fly into Columbus alot and hate...HATE...the layover at Chicago Midway, but I understand the need for hubs because as "greedy" as airlines may seem, they are NOT making money and need to do what they can to stay in the air. If anyone thinks the airline industry as a whole is making money, why not invest in some of their stocks? The American Airline CEO once said, "if you want to become a millionaire, invest $1 billion in an airline." (or something like that)
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2009, 12:15 AM
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thanks Scotolini for the no spin facts...didn't realize so many people were losing their jobs. Nerd-bird dropping (oops sorry about that) one of many.
Tough times...
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2009, 12:10 AM
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Figure that airlines need a full plane to be marginally profitable, factor in the frequent tech flyers cashing in their miles, fuller planes, less revenue, and more on-line conferences becoming a much cheaper alternative in an economy that's down right now, AA probably was starting to lose money on that route. I'm in retail and we are seing much less air travel in our company and more on-line conferencing. Use to see our regional rep face to face all the time, now its screen to screen. Its like Green Bay letting Brett Farve go, they were done with him, the Jets thought there was still value there and got him, and, well, you know the results.
Does that mean after Alaska Airlines barely breaks even after a year, we'll hear rumors MidWest Airlines might pick up the nerd bird?
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Does that mean after Alaska Airlines barely breaks even after a year, we'll hear rumors MidWest Airlines might pick up the nerd bird?
Well, with the reduction in frequency to 1 flight a day, plus the more fuel efficient aircraft... they should do better than break even, unless the economy further sours.

I think there are many decent AA routes that can't be profitable for AA given their cost structure, but could be for a newer LCC. As AA gives up on those routes across the country, look for some LCCs to snap them up. Things like the nerd bird already have established traffic, even if it is down from its highs. It's not like starting from scratch.
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Well, with the reduction in frequency to 1 flight a day, plus the more fuel efficient aircraft... they should do better than break even, unless the economy further sours.

I think there are many decent AA routes that can't be profitable for AA given their cost structure, but could be for a newer LCC. As AA gives up on those routes across the country, look for some LCCs to snap them up. Things like the nerd bird already have established traffic, even if it is down from its highs. It's not like starting from scratch.
I was trying to keep the reference about Brett Farve... I think the route will survive.
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Wow by reading some of those articals it seems to me AA is not doing well.
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Wow by reading some of those articals it seems to me AA is not doing well.
right now, very few are, even Southwest is down. Thank goodness the price of jet fuel is lower than this time last year.
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I used to love flying Southwest haven't flown them in a while though I used to fly the nonstop flight to Harlingen to visit my grandparents that lived in McAllen and the flight was always busy which makes me wonder why Southwest doesn't add another flight from Austin to Harlingen. On another note AA has added direct flights from DFW to Brownsville/South Padre island International Airport
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Seems like Alaska is sharing Gate 5 w/Delta. http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/austinairport/airline_map.htm
Anyone know if this is a temporary arrangement until the San Jose flight comes online or Gate assignment update in Oct., or do they just intend to use Delta's gate permanently.

Seems like Delta could move down to Gate 4-6 in Oct. and leave Gate 3 to Alaska.
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With only two flights per day (once the San Jose service starts next month) it's not really worth it for Alaska to hire their own staff to work these flights, so Delta does the ground handling for Alaska Airlines at AUS. They'll probably stay at Delta's gate.

BTW, it looks like Air Canada will be pulling out of Austin after September 7th. There's been no official announcement yet, but you can't book a flight on their website past September 7th.

I can't say I'm surprised. I was looking at the passenger activity report for June and out of 4,500 available seats for the month, Air Canada only carried 1,464 passengers - about one-third of their total capacity.
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You would think that flight would do ok considering the only other Texas city Air Canada fly's to is Houston their not in DFW or SA
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You would think that flight would do ok considering the only other Texas city Air Canada fly's to is Houston their not in DFW or SA
Are you kidding me?

Air Canada fly's out of DFW Airport. They take up a good chunk of gates at Terminal D too.

Besides, Austin is a completely different market then Dallas or Houston, I could understand a foreign company overlooking the distinction between Austin and SA's distance, but I'm pretty sure Air Canada's stake in Austin and San Antonio could be filled with another carrier just as well.
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Well not Air Canada jazz they don't have DFW on their website just Autin and Houston
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BTW, it looks like Air Canada will be pulling out of Austin after September 7th. There's been no official announcement yet, but you can't book a flight on their website past September 7th.
Well, it's official now, according to the Austin Business Journal.

Air Canada to stop Austin-Toronto service

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Lagging interest is prompting Air Canada to cut its Austin-Toronto route early next month.

The airline will drop the route from its itinerary on Sept. 7, an official with Austin-Bergstrom International Airport confirmed. Air Canada launched the route last May.
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Virgin America Is Looking at DFW, ATL and AUS for expansion

Virgin America Studies Atlanta, Dallas for New Routes


Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Virgin America Inc., the low-fare airline partly owned by U.K. billionaire Richard Branson, is studying whether to fly to Atlanta, Dallas and Austin, Texas, as it adds Florida routes, Chief Executive Officer David Cush said.

“Atlanta is certainly on the list. It’s a big corporate headquarters city,” Cush, 49, said in a telephone interview. “We have analyzed Dallas and Austin, places with big corporate and technology bases that certainly would have some synergies with San Francisco and Los Angeles.”

Serving Atlanta and Dallas would put Virgin America into the hometown airports of Delta Air Lines Inc., the world’s biggest carrier, and No. 2 American Airlines. Chicago, where rivals have so far refused to cede gates, remains at the top of Virgin America’s expansion choices, Cush said.

“Virgin would be going into the heart of these big hubs, and neither competitor would back off,” said Michael Derchin, an analyst at FTN Equity Capital Markets Corp. in New York. “They’ll be met with some fierce resistance. If they could make those flights break even, they could probably make it work.”

Virgin America, which began flying in August 2007, unveiled Fort Lauderdale, Florida, as its 10th U.S. market today. Flights start Nov. 18 from San Francisco and Los Angeles, the Burlingame, California-based airline said in a statement.

Corporate Headquarters

The cities Cush suggested as possible destinations include the homes of Atlanta-based Coca-Cola Co., the world’s largest soft-drink maker, and Dallas-based AT&T Inc., the biggest U.S. phone company. Dell Inc., the world’s second-largest maker of personal computers, is based in the Austin suburb of Round Rock.

Toronto and Vancouver also are being studied as possible additions to the airline’s system, said Cush, a former executive at AMR Corp.’s American, which is based in Fort Worth, Texas.

Virgin America, whose fleet consists of Airbus SAS A320s and A319s, may be interested in the 40 Airbus jets owned by Frontier Airlines Holdings Inc. should the Denver-based carrier be bought by Southwest Airlines Co. and sell the planes, Cush said.

Most of Frontier’s jets are 5 years old or younger, according to Ascend Online Fleets data. Their Honeywell International Inc. electronics and engines by CFM International, a joint venture of General Electric Co. and Safran SA of France, would mesh with the equipment on Virgin America jets, Cush said.

‘Right Economics’

“Those are recent-vintage aircraft, and under the right economics, we would be interested,” Cush said. “In taking used aircraft, you’d look at the commonality. They have similar avionics and engines. We’d be interested in looking at that.”

Talks continue with potential new U.S. investors, and Virgin America may add one or more by the end of the year, Cush said. The airline has been in “constant consultation” with the U.S. Department of Transportation about the matter, he said.

Cush said there have been no changes to Virgin America’s investor base and board. The Wall Street Journal reported in March that majority shareholders Cyrus Capital Partners LP and Black Canyon Capital LLC sold stakes to Branson’s Virgin Group Ltd., the London-based parent of Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd.

Broader U.S. ownership may deflect claims by Alaska Air Group Inc. that Virgin America is violating federal laws limiting foreign ownership of domestic carriers to no more than 25 percent of voting stock.

“The DOT is satisfied with what we are telling them,” Cush said. “I’m hopeful that in the near future we’ll have resolution to it.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Mary Jane Credeur in Atlanta at [email protected].

Last Updated: August 11, 2009 13:30 EDT

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Old Posted Aug 12, 2009, 7:43 PM
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It would be very exciting to have Virgin America come to Austin. Though I don't have much travel to the West Coast (and I assume we would only get the hub routes to San Fran and LA to start), I would try to find a way to sample this airline.

I am assuming that if Southwest prevails on Frontier bid that Frontier branded flights will stop to Austin. Southwest has committed to keeping all destinations served, but I believe that means when you consider combined operations. The trimming of the Frontier fleet must mean the elimination of some routes with overlap and given the existing Southwest frequency on the AUS-DEN route I think we might be high on the list to lose Frontier service. I guess we will know more by next week.
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