ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by Atlwest281

Hi BlueSangha

Sup Atlwest2814756998794562056

[Atlwest281]

LOL You silly silly. :-) So any new development news? What are the implications of that report that came out saying condo sales were up? Has the bottom been reached and now its just a matter of absorbing the inventory on market?

[A-town]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

I've been living in the city for seven years. During that time I've been impressed that blacks are more likely to be disruptive and boisterous late at night, i.e.: roll out with their speaker volume tuned inappropriately for a residential area. It's a free-ish country and we can all do whatever we want for the most part, so I'm not complaining. Does anyone disagree with my impression?

FAILED!!!!!

[RobMidtowner]

Originally Posted by BlueSangha

I think this has more to do with Out-Group Bias (were we tend to hold hostility or dislike for those outside our In-Group, and assume they are distinct from our In-Group when in fact it is not the case, there are more similarities than dissimilarities)than it does with stereotyping (which when it comes right down to it is a cognitive error-to assume a schema for a particular group of people). What the conversation boils down to is that people want to feel safe in their neighborhoods (in-group) and dislike or hold hostility toward the club goers (out-group) who threaten that safety no matter who they are. So if the people arguing their points on this thread removed their emotions from such arguments and stuck with logic, it would be harder for others to attack your percieved prejudices. It is one thing to be "realistic" it is another to be unbias and factual.

I think it has to do with people shooting people and whether or not an establishment where this has occurred in the past should be allowed to re-open.

[UVAsuperman]

The implication is that people are again buying condos, both new and resales, particularly at depressed prices as a result of the poor economy--an important undercurrent is that people are getting mortgages. Many of the new sales were from auctions. Surely many of the resales are foreclosures. It means that there is still demand for intown condos. Fortunately, as residents move into these areas, neighborhood businesses and restaurants are more likely to succeed, which hopefully starts an upward cycle of increased demand, which will raise prices. New inventory is likely to decrease with sales because I think it will be a year or two before new condo development gets rolling. At the same time, resale inventory will likely increase because I envision lots of current buyers trying to get out of the market as prices improve due to fears caused by the past year. So, the answer, in my opinion, is that sales for the first 6 months are heartening and could signal that a bottom has been reached, but even then there is a challenging time period remaining for the intown condo market. For those of us that live in that market now, it's great to see more people moving into the market--not just for prices, but to help build the community that many of these areas with empty condos are capable of.

[Atlwest281]

Well said UVASUPERMAN!!! I follow this train of thought as well. I think its great to have new people move in with new ideas and stories etc. I think we will see Atlanta be one of the few metros to rebound and do it in a big big way. For all those who complain about the city and the metro we are really fortunate to live here and not in some of the area of this nation that wont see a good rebound

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by A-town

FAILED!!!!!

Agreed-How short-sighted.

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by RobMidtowner

I think it has to do with people shooting people and whether or not an establishment where this has occurred in the past should be allowed to re-open.

I don't think it is-you can be shot anywhere. And your presumption that re-opening a venue will have the same consquences is only party supported by the fact that the odds of getting shot in America is really not that dependent on where you are anymore. One can get shot at the gym, a church, post office, work, school, a nightclub, a street corner, in an urban setting, or a suburban setting. So to say that keeping a club from opening to keep people from being shot is weak at best and is merely a ploy to hide ones prejudices.

[That guy]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

This building is hideous. We can get rid of that yellow brick thing at Juniper and 3rd too.

I've actually been a lurker on the site for a year or two. This is my first post. I've always enjoyed it...yadda, yadda, yadda

I know this is referring to a post that appeared a little ways back; and, it really isn't about a highrise. But...

Sevensixtwo,when Cabasse posted that image of 977 Ponce it was mentioned that showed only the rear of the structure. I'm concerned that your feelings about it's demolition might be based primarily upon its admittedly ugly rear-end.

I'm curious if, after looking at the facade, your feelings might change.
It does have a certain street presence that fits nicely into the Ponce aesthetic. Actually, it's a lot better than many of the things that have appeared on Ponce over the years.

Do you really think a Chick-fil-A is better suited to that site than the current structure? Or, do you just hate that color brick? If you don't like the current 977 Ponce, what would you like there?

I happen to despise that color brick, too, and the building certainly could use a little love...but...a Chick-fil-A? You gotta be kiddin' me?!

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by BlueSangha

It is one thing to be "realistic" it is another to be unbias and factual.

I disagree. Facts preclude bias and realism is the paradigm of facts.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by That guy

I've actually been a lurker on the site for a year or two. This is my first post. I've always enjoyed it...yadda, yadda, yadda

I know this is referring to a post that appeared a little ways back; and, it really isn't about a highrise. But...

Sevensixtwo,when Cabasse posted that image of 977 Ponce it was mentioned that showed only the rear of the structure. I'm concerned that your feelings about it's demolition might be based primarily upon its admittedly ugly rear-end.

I'm curious if, after looking at the facade, your feelings might change.
It does have a certain street presence that fits nicely into the Ponce aesthetic. Actually, it's a lot better than many of the things that have appeared on Ponce over the years.

Do you really think a Chick-fil-A is better suited to that site than the current structure? Or, do you just hate that color brick? If you don't like the current 977 Ponce, what would you like there?

I happen to despise that color brick, too, and the building certainly could use a little love...but...a Chick-fil-A? You gotta be kiddin' me?!

I think it's better than a chick-fil-a. That's for sure. But overall, even the front isn't too special.

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

I disagree. Facts preclude bias and realism is the paradigm of facts.

This statement would be true if:

1. If infact facts and not opinion were used-not stereotypes and prejudices parading as facts.

2. If everyone bought into realism, which is quite apparent that not everyone on this forum does, esp those who are trying to sell their notion of an ideal midtown neighborhood.

3. The paradigm was using a way of viewing reality as based on facts and correct assumptions not filtered through the passions of those making their
case.

4. Being "realistic" were true to the reality of the situation in which case (1) above would indicate that there should be reasonable doubt.

[BrandonJXN]

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=172325

Getting interesting comments.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by BlueSangha

This statement would be true if:

1. If infact facts and not opinion were used-not stereotypes and prejudices parading as facts.

2. If everyone bought into realism, which is quite apparent that not everyone on this forum does, esp those who are trying to sell their notion of an ideal midtown neighborhood.

3. The paradigm was using a way of viewing reality as based on facts and correct assumptions not filtered through the passions of those making their
case.

4. Being "realistic" were true to the reality of the situation in which case (1) above would indicate that there should be reasonable doubt.

You're wrong. Reality and facts aren't soft words. If you use the word correctly, then being realistic is the practice of factuality. If you don't use the word correctly then you're right. It can mean whatever you want, i.e.: "Damn shorty, them kicks be realistic." It's just semantics.

Now let me support my initial statement of impression that the black cultural mode tends to be louder than the white one. A-town's comment of yelling out FAILED with a bunch of exclamation marks has reinforced this impression. I see other pan-racial forum members commented using regular lower case sentences, but the one who felt the need to shout was black.

This is a fact so I'm dealing with reality. I'm not concluding that most blacks are loud. I'm just saying that A-town commented in CAPS!!!!!!!!!!! and it contributed to an ongoing impression that I have blacks tend to be louder than other groups. So am I not being realistic according to the meaning of realistic rather than your 4-point dissection?

[sevensixtwo]

Starting tonight and continuing through the weekend, the Georgia Department of Transportation will continue its project to resurface the Connector between 10th Street and the point where the Connector splits into two Interstates. This work will require the closure of several lanes of traffic heading southbound.

Wednesday, August 12 - starting at 9 p.m., four lanes of traffic on I-85 Southbound will be closed to restripe the current lanes into the final configuration.

Thursday, August 13 - starting at 9 p.m., the two outside lanes of I-85 Southbound and the inside lane of I-75 Southbound will be closed to traffic.

Friday, August 14 at 9 p.m. through Monday, August 17 at 5 a.m. - All southbound traffic on I-75 will diverted to the HOV lane and the remaining southbound lanes will be closed. These lanes should reopen by Sunday morning (including the outside lane of I-75 that has been closed for more than a year). Three southbound lanes of I-85 will be closed as well.

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

You're right. When I'm looking out my window to see what that noise at 3 a.m. is the there is a racial slant. Get real, dude. I'm gonna let it go, but being realistic isn't being racist. A lot of stereotypes are right on a lot of the time. Shrewd Jew. Gay hairdresser. Pregnant baptist. Horny man.

And here you are committing the the fallacy of composition were you assume the behavior of the few is representative of the whole.
And your second statement is just flat out wrong, any psychologist or psychiatrist will tell you that while some people fit stereotypes, it is not the case that they are often true, and would be like applying an outcome to a prediction.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by BlueSangha

And here you are committing the the fallacy of composition were you assume the behavior of the few is representative of the whole.
And your second statement is just flat out wrong, any psychologist or psychiatrist will tell you that while some people fit stereotypes, it is not the case that they are often true, and would be like applying an outcome to a prediction.

I don't assume that and I know you are but what am I?

I think you should go back and audit PHIL 1010 again. As a Jew at least I can tell you most Jewish stereotypes are firmly planted in reality but you can't say that cause then you're an ANTI-SEMITE! oooohhh, scarry!

Unlike facts and reality, often is a soft word and I am as qualified to use it as psychiatrist or psychologist.

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

You're wrong. Reality and facts aren't soft words. If you use the word correctly, then being realistic is the practice of factuality. If you don't use the word correctly then you're right. It can mean whatever you want, i.e.: "Damn shorty, them kicks be realistic." It's just semantics.

Realistic in the way it has been used on this forum has been used in the "real-like" sense-not one cited fact has been put forth in any arguement on this topic. Also what has been presented here is a subjective perspective on reality not entirely respectful of any objectivity-no one respectful of reason takes subjectivity (or relativity for that matter) seriously.

Now let me support my initial statement of impression that the black cultural mode tends to be louder than the white one. A-town's comment of yelling out FAILED with a bunch of exclamation marks has reinforced this impression. I see other pan-racial forum members commented using regular lower case sentences, but the one who felt the need to shout was black.

Your arguement here amounts to speculation at best, and commits the fallacies of composition and equivication. You can't be serious with this line of reasoning. You cannot equate one online reply to behavior outside a club, nor can you make the inference that the black cultural mode tends to be louder from this one act. And even you use the word impression which would further imply your belief, but I don't think you have justified true belief in this instance.

This is a fact so I'm dealing with reality. I'm not concluding that most blacks are loud. I'm just saying that A-town commented in CAPS!!!!!!!!!!! and it contributed to an ongoing impression that I have blacks tend to be louder than other groups. So am I not being realistic according to the meaning of realistic rather than your 4-point dissection?

Your not even being resonable-you may be dealing with YOUR reality which is only important to you. Therefore your arguement is subjective and lacks objectivity, and further it isn't even logically sound.

Note sure what I did wrong here, but my rebuttles are in the quote text.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by BlueSangha

Your not even being resonable-you may be dealing with YOUR reality which is only important to you. Therefore your arguement is subjective and lacks objectivity, and further it isn't even logically sound.

Note sure what I did wrong here, but my rebuttles are in the quote text.

There is only one reality dude. Sorry to burst your bubble. Are you saying that there are no differences? Are you saying blacks and whites speak the same way?

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

There is only one reality dude. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Which according to you would be your own, which apparently you can't seem to escape from. You can't burst my bubble because I don't live in one. It has been a pleasure argueing with you-but at this point I think its best that I walk away from the table...namaste.