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Old Posted Aug 11, 2009, 4:01 AM
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That being said, we should get a mod to change the details on this thread....
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2009, 2:16 PM
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How many times must our landmarks fall...


BY PAULA SIMONS, EDMONTON JOURNALAUGUST 11, 2009




The vacant lot at 116th Street and 107th Avenue where the former Central Pentecostal Tabernacle used to be.
Photograph by: Larry Wong, The Journal, Edmonton Journal
Of all the sad and ugly corners in this sometimes sad and ugly city, the corner of 116th Street and 107th Avenue is surely one of the saddest and the ugliest.

Once upon a time, this unkempt vacant lot was home to two of Edmonton's most striking works of modernist architecture. The two buildings, which together made up the Central Pentecostal Tabernacle, were quite different in their architectural idioms.

The first, built in 1964 by Charles Laubenthal and Peter Hemingway, was one of the city's only examples of a building in the International Style pioneered by Le Corbusier, a clean-lined cube of concrete, stucco and green-gold glass.

The second, created by Hemingway in 1972, was a striking red cedar and glass pyramid, built along the lines of his other signature buildings, the Muttart Conservatory and the Hemingway Pool.

Not only were the structures two of Edmonton's most notable, iconic and influential works of modern architecture, they were buildings with a rich cultural and spiritual history.

But now, those extraordinary, inspirational buildings are nothing but a memory. When the congregation left its inner-city ministry in favour of a "big-box" church in the far western suburbs, it sold the land to developers, who in turn ripped down the tabernacle to make way for a new condo development.

Oh, there were appeals and protests mounted, both by the family of the late Peter Hemingway, by architecture and history buffs, and by a few discontented members of the Tabernacle congregation. The city's Historic Resources Review Panel even voted to grant the buildings heritage status and put them on the A-list of protected buildings. It made no difference. The city issued the demolition permit and in March 2007, the buildings came down, to make way for an infill housing development that was supposed to help revitalize the downtown core.

Except there is no condo development. Just a weed-infested empty lot, with a drunkenly tilted chain-link fence and a weather-beaten, off-kilter sign, promoting a phantom 225-unit apartment block called The Edge.

There's also a For Sale sign--the eyesore property was listed this summer for a cool $7.1 million.

Architect-turned-developer Eddo Cancian runs Time Developments, which owns the property, at least for now. When he bought the property, the Edmonton economy was in full boom, and the local condo market was red hot.

The economic downturn, he says, caught his small company by surprise.

And it's true. In the current credit crunch, it's not easy for developers to borrow money--and it's not easy for first-time homebuyers to qualify for mortgages.

"The market has changed. As a matter of fact, it's diametrically opposed to what it was when we purchased the site," he says.

"We started presales last October, with very little success. There are not enough sold to start the project."

But despite the For Sale sign on the site, Cancian insists he hasn't given up on the project.

"Our intention is to go ahead with the development when the market does agree with us....I wish that I could do something immediately, but I just don't have the power to change the marketplace."

Cancian, who once studied with Hemingway, says he's planning a well-designed condo. In fact, he says, one of the reasons his project stalled was that it took two years to win the approval of the city's design committee.

"We're a small boutique kind of developer. That's why the 116th Street property appealed to us--we wanted to do a spectacular job with the property."

But whatever Cancian's good intentions, no matter how innocently he got caught out by the dramatic economic reversal, the bottom line is that the city planners issued that demolition permit, they sacrificed two remarkable, original pieces of urban design--and got, in exchange, yet another sprawling plot of urban blight.

Instead of finding a way to preserve the buildings, perhaps as theatres or community centres or funky retail spaces, instead of taking steps to ensure the promised new development would actually go ahead, we allowed the razing of two landmark buildings on a prominent corner, and then allowed the site go to seed --literally.

Sobbing over spilled milk, of course, accomplishes little. But while nothing can bring back the majestic Central Pentecostal Tabernacle, it's not too late for city planners to take the necessary steps to preserve other important pieces of Edmonton's modernist legacy.

As a community, we need to recognize that buildings don't need to look like Gothic cathedrals or Tudor cottages to be worth saving. In a hundred-year-old prairie city, we need to celebrate and embrace our own authentic architecture, the structures that make our city distinctive.

We can't revitalize our downtown by tearing down the buildings that give identity and individuality to our streetscapes. And we can't revitalize it with a bunch of untended empty lots.

How many booms and busts must we ride out, before we finally learn that lesson?

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"Cancian, who once studied with Hemingway, says he's planning a well-designed condo. In fact, he says, one of the reasons his project stalled was that it took two years to win the approval of the city's design committee."

because you had a poorly designed/planned project... don't blame others for your errors.

what a piece of work... graces us with that POS on 99st and then this.
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^ Yep. Disgusting
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Does this type of stuff not happen in other cities? I'm sure Edmonton isn't the only place where business people want to tear down history in the interest of profit. What do other cities do to prevent this?

Why not instead of tearing down reasons for people wanting to be in an area (churches), tear down the reasons people DON'T want to be in an area (run-down low-density industrial buildings between 105 and 106 aves along 116st)?
     
     
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Yeah other cities do it too, but they don't necessarily leave the lots empty. Not to mention other cities tend to build good looking buildings, so it takes the eyes off the bad stuff.
     
     
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Edmonton’s July housing starts up from 2008


BY BILL MAH, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COMAUGUST 11, 2009 10:23 AMCOMMENTS (1)


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A crane lowers the finished roof onto a new home under construction near 215th Street north of 45th Avenue.
Photograph by: Bruce Edwards, The Journal, The Edmonton Journal; with files from Canwest News Service
EDMONTON — Total housing starts in the Edmonton region rose in July by 10.8 per cent compared to a year earlier — the first year-over-year increase since January 2008.

Builders began 451 homes in July compared with 407 started in July 2008, according to preliminary figures released Tuesday by Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

While new apartment construction remains depressed, single-detached home builders poured foundations for 273 units in July. That’s up 37 per cent from the 199 houses started in July 2008.

“CMHC expects this trend to continue in the months ahead as builders’ unsold inventories continue to move downward,” said Richard Goatcher, senior market analyst for Edmonton at CMHC.

Multiple dwelling starts, which include semi-detached, row, and apartments, totalled 178 in July, down 14 per cent from a year earlier.

“Apartment starts are expected to remain weak this year as the industry deals with an elevated supply of condominium units,” Goatcher said.

Across Alberta, housing starts in the seven largest centres totalled 1,454 homes, down 19 per cent from 1,793 units started in July 2008. Singles across Alberta rose 3.3 per cent but was offset by a 43-per-cent drop in multiples.

Housing starts in Canada declined unexpectedly in July, falling to an annualized rate of 132,100 in July from 137,800 in June, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp said Tuesday.

Economists had been calling for a seasonally adjusted rate of 145,000 new home starts.

The housing agency blamed the volatile multiple starts segment for the decline

“This was a fairly disappointing report, and it suggests that the buoyancy that has been seen in the past two months in this segment of the housing market hasn’t gained much traction, clouding an otherwise positive tone in Canadian housing market activity,”said TD Securities economic strategist Millan Mulraine.

“Even so, our bias remains for increased housing market activity in the near terms as the combination of low mortgage rates, relatively attractive home prices and the various tax incentives continue to spur Canadian housing market activity.”

It is a view shared by Bob Dugan, chief economist at CMHC’s market analysis centre, who said in the housing agency’s release, “housing starts are expected to improve throughout 2009.”

Urban housing starts fell 5.5 per cent to 113,500 units in July, while urban multiple starts decreased nine per cent to 61,000 units. Urban single starts moved down 1.1 per cent to 52,500 units in July, CMHC said.

Urban starts declined 17 per cent in the Prairies, 15 per cent in Ontario, 10 per cent in British Columbia, and 1.4 per cent in Atlantic Canada.

In Quebec however, July’s seasonally adjusted annual rate of urban starts increased 16.6 per cent.

The housing agency forecast that over the next several years, housing starts will gradually become more closely aligned to demographic demand, which is currently estimated at about 175,000 units per year.

With files from Canwest News Service

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Yeah other cities do it too, but they don't necessarily leave the lots empty. Not to mention other cities tend to build good looking buildings, so it takes the eyes off the bad stuff.
Let me guess, you still think the only thing that gets built in Edmonton is bad stuff... there's no good looking buildings either currently built, being built, or proposed in Edmonton.
     
     
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Let me guess, you still think the only thing that gets built in Edmonton is bad stuff... there's no good looking buildings either currently built, being built, or proposed in Edmonton.

Besides a couple here and there, yes, sort of.
     
     
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Cancian has a number of projects around the city that are stalled out. His disregard for the neighborhoods that his empty lots or vacant houses are in is appalling. Also his attempts at circumventing ARPs/Zoning restrictions is a PITA for the city and the communities he wishes to build in. He's a businessman so I can understand his motive (while I don't endorse it).

Also inexcusable is the city's lack of kahuna's to force development or at least clean up of the properties.
     
     
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Anybody else think Southgate was undergoing renovations during the expansion???


Exterior looks really shitty with the mix of new concrete/brown and the old concrete brown.

The interior of the expanded section looks pretty damn good.
     
     
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Not that I care, everyone knew it was going to be a slow year, but some people seemed to be getting a little too excited last time these numbers came out. Here is an updated version of Cma building permit values.


     
     
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^ I'm not sure what you're saying. We're still doing better than most other major cities.
     
     
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"Let me guess, you still think the only thing that gets built in Edmonton is bad stuff... there's no good looking buildings either currently built, being built, or proposed in Edmonton."

Still think? Meh. I'd rather not get into this, but I'm sorry compared to other cities, yes, Edmonton is greatly behind in terms of design. I shouldn't have to pull out a list of our decent buildings every-time I or someone else says that Edmonton still needs to catch up with other cities in architecture, and we have had a LOT of crap get built recently. I'm sorry, but it's true.
     
     
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^ I agree. In fact, I didn't even realize that there was any debate about it. The nicer buildings we get or are even proposed are still too few and far between, representing the exception rather than the norm.
     
     
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Yep. That's why we are all so apeshit over design. We've been screwed I tell ya, screwwweeedd
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Not sure who edits on Wikipedia on here, but does someone want to updatethis page on the EPCOR Tower, and this page on the tallest buildings in the city (which hasn't been updated in a year, and is missing ICON 1 from the list, as well as an udated height and placement of the EPCOR Tower)


??? Any takers?
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