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Old Posted Apr 24, 2009, 7:11 PM
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so does this mean that the Marine Drive Gateway project isn't going to go through?
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2009, 7:46 PM
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Does what mean the project isnt going through?
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 4:53 AM
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I like the looks of the project. Only thing I don't like is industrial land. Could the city push for more commercial/tech space to offset industrial area loss?
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 1:56 PM
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In all honesty its not really an industrial loss. It's a former ICBC facility turned empty lot bordered by a car lot.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 8:22 PM
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Agreed with the above comments. I can see the city being nervous of the trend of using up what little industrial land we have, but this site in particular is only nominally industrial to begin with. Given the proximity to decent transit (Canada Line, Marine Drive FTN), it does seem like a bit of a no-brainer. Assuming their ridership modelling is accurate, 5000 extra trips/day on the Canada Line is pretty impressive.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2009, 6:14 AM
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Thanks for all the links Jlousa. This development really embodies everything a successful TOD should be.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 2:34 AM
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Looks like this one is about to meet it's fate, the odds for it were pretty slim to begin with. The city is not interested in residential south of Marine Dr and is intent on keeping that area industrial, it's willing to flex on other commercial space so long as it's not detrimental to the industrial zone. They even make the point that they had warned PCI before they bought the property and aren't impressed PCI is trying anyways.

http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20090723/documents/penv7.pdf

http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20090723/documents/penv8.pdf
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 4:28 AM
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What an uptight city.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 4:34 AM
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Cityhall is actually right on this one. Ideally the station and this proposal would've been on the NE Corner and not the SE Corner.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 4:46 AM
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^ yea, but it's a tiny city block with a bus loop and Canada Line station like 10-metres away from it. What industrial could you possibly put there? The space is tiny for industrial.

I agree that industrial space should be protected, but this is a very special circumstance. This project had so many benefits: increase ridership for the station and bus loop, increase safety at the transit hub, more retail for the neighbourhood, and rental housing!

I'm quite sure we wouldn't be having this problem in Burnaby.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 5:12 AM
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The issue if you read the documents I posted is evident. The city is willing to flex on commercial space (office use/retail) but not on residential. The reason being is that residential space will be determinatal to the rest of the industrial zone. They are incompatible. The city work yard right next door operates daily until 1am, during snow events it is a 24hr operation. That can not change, hence residential can't function in that location. The city went out of it's way to advise all potential purchasers of that when the property was on sale.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 5:34 AM
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^ i suppose that is fair...didn't read the pdf, adobe froze.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 7:20 PM
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what do they mean no residential south of marine? the SW corner of cambie and marine is residential and all behind there are old houses and apartments mixed in with commercial and industrial...

PCI should buy those houses next to the line and knock that gross buildign down and redevlop that block instead perhaps
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PCI seems to have done some good lobying. Council has gone against the staff reccomendation

THAT in support of Vancouver's Greenest City Initiative, development viability of higher density job space uses, a compact and complete community with diverse housing opportunities including market/rental, and increased transit ridership, Council approve the Cambie Corridor Planning Program Terms of Reference as included in Appendix A of the Policy Report dated July 7, 2009, entitled “Cambie Corridor Planning Program” and direct staff to consider limited and strategically located residential land use of the existing property immediately adjacent to the Marine Drive Station (8430 Cambie Street at the south-east corner of the Marine Drive and Cambie intersection) with amendments to Appendix A, Section 4.2 as outlined below.
In order to provide for the consideration of limited and strategically located residential land uses on the existing property in very close proximity to the Marine Drive Station (8430 Cambie Street), Section 4.2 of the Cambie Corridor Planning Program Terms of Reference is amended to add the following text:
“However, for the site at 8430 Cambie Street only (immediately adjacent to the Canada Line Station), limited and strategically located residential land use deemed to support Vancouver's Greenest City Initiative, development viability of higher density job space uses, a compact and complete community with diverse housing opportunities including market/ rental, and increased transit ridership, may be considered as part of a rezoning process in accordance with the following conditions:
1. Residential land use should only be considered when supporting the above stated goals, and should be considered within the site so as to use distance, intervening land uses/buildings and other techniques to minimize the impact of residential complaints and
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expectations on surrounding industrial uses, and corresponding impacts to residential livability from existing and expected expanded industrial operations (dust, noise, truck traffic, smell and other nuisances). It is understood that:
- nearby industrial uses are expected to expand in intensity and impact in the future,
- new potentially incompatible industrial uses are desired in the area as there are increasingly fewer areas of the City where such uses can be contemplated, and
- proper notice and warnings for residential owners and occupiers shall be ensured.
2. The site will be organized to maximize space for employment generating, job-intensive uses.
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2009, 11:17 PM
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Nice! Eco-density May Actually Happen!
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2009, 5:24 AM
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so where are we at here? what stage are we at in terms of approval?
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2009, 5:28 AM
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^ denied.
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2009, 7:42 AM
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Not exactly. The last council meeting on July 28th stated:

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UNFINISHED BUSINESS

1. South Vancouver Industrial Area Issues and Directions
July 7, 2009

At the Standing Committee on Planning and Environment meeting on July 23, 2009, Council heard from speakers on the above-noted Policy Report and, due to time constraints, referred discussion and decision on this report to the Council meeting immediately following the Special Standing Committee on City Services and Budgets meeting on Tuesday, July 28, 2009, as Unfinished Business.

MOVED by Councillor Louie
SECONDED by Councillor Jang

A. THAT, as outlined in the South Vancouver Industrial Area Issues and Directions Paper, attached as Appendix A to the Policy Report dated July 7, 2009, entitled “South Vancouver Industrial Area Issues and Directions”, Council confirm the retention of the existing industrial zoning in the South Vancouver Industrial Area, except for limited and strategically located lands immediately around the Canada Line Marine Drive Station, where opportunities will be reviewed for non-residential, job intensive uses as part of the Cambie Corridor Planning Program.

Except for the site 8430 Cambie, (directly adjacent to the Canada Line Marine Drive Station), which is to be reviewed for higher density job space uses, a compact and completed community with diverse housing opportunities including market/rental, and increased transit ridership.

B. THAT staff work proactively with the local community and nearby landowners to review, augment and implement policies to enhance public access to the Fraser River waterfront while balancing the needs of industry.

C. THAT Council confirm the importance of the South Vancouver Industrial lands and instruct that staff report to Council with a review and industrial land, including consideration of best practices as well as future scenarios for industrial and job-space demand. Such a review will have regard to Council’s priorities for economic development and green/creative economic opportunities; should consider future non-residential needs and opportunities for use of industrial land for other sustainability and civic uses; and should consider possibilities for higher-intensity urban approaches to industry and job mix. Staff should work with experts and academics, VEDC, and industry in this review and consider future integration of this work with planning currently underway on other Metro Core industrial lands.

CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY


2. Cambie Corridor Planning Program
July 7, 2009

At the Standing Committee on Planning and Environment meeting on July 23, 2009, Council heard from speakers on the above-noted Policy Report and, due to time constraints, referred discussion and decision on this report to the Council meeting immediately following the Special Standing Committee on City Services and Budgets meeting on Tuesday, July 28, 2009, as Unfinished Business.

MOVED by Councillor Louie
SECONDED by Councillor Deal

A. THAT in support of Vancouver's Greenest City Initiative, development viability of higher density job space uses, a compact and complete community with diverse housing opportunities including market/rental, and increased transit ridership, Council approve the Cambie Corridor Planning Program Terms of Reference as included in Appendix A of the Policy Report dated July 7, 2009, entitled “Cambie Corridor Planning Program” and direct staff to consider limited and strategically located residential land use of the existing property immediately adjacent to the Marine Drive Station (8430 Cambie Street at the south-east corner of the Marine Drive and Cambie intersection) with amendments to Appendix A, Section 4.2 as outlined below.

In order to provide for the consideration of limited and strategically located residential land uses on the existing property in very close proximity to the Marine Drive Station (8430 Cambie Street), Section 4.2 of the Cambie Corridor Planning Program Terms of Reference is amended to add the following text:

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“However, for the site at 8430 Cambie Street only (immediately adjacent to the Canada Line Station), limited and strategically located residential land use deemed to support Vancouver's Greenest City Initiative, development viability of higher density job space uses, a compact and complete community with diverse housing opportunities including market/ rental, and increased transit ridership, may be considered as part of a rezoning process in accordance with the following conditions:

1. Residential land use should only be considered when supporting the above stated goals, and should be considered within the site so as to use distance, intervening land uses/buildings and other techniques to minimize the impact of residential complaints and expectations on surrounding industrial uses, and corresponding impacts to residential livability from existing and expected expanded industrial operations (dust, noise, truck traffic, smell and other nuisances). It is understood that:
- nearby industrial uses are expected to expand in intensity and impact in the future,
- new potentially incompatible industrial uses are desired in the area as there are increasingly fewer areas of the City where such uses can be contemplated, and
- proper notice and warnings for residential owners and occupiers shall be ensured.

2. The site will be organized to maximize space for employment generating, job-intensive uses.
B. THAT in addition to the consultation process outlined in Appendix A of the Policy Report dated July 7, 2009, entitled “Cambie Corridor Planning Program”, Section 3.2, staff consult directly with the Riley Park/South Cambie Vision Implementation Committee in Phase 1 of the Cambie Corridor Planning Program.

carried

AMENDMENT MOVED by Councillor Anton

THAT the following motion be added:

THAT during Phase 1, staff recommend re-opening the Oakridge Centre Policy Statement.

LOST
(Councillors Deal, Jang, Louie, Meggs, Reimer, Stevenson and the Mayor opposed)

The amendment having lost, the motion was put and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
The minutes are here: http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20090728/documents/regu20090728min.pdf

In simple terms, there was no outright objection to the development plans.

- Allan Kuan
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2009, 5:26 PM
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^ denied.
you obviously didn't read the story posted a couple posts up council is OK with the project.......thank god. So I'm wondering whats NEXT....
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