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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 10:11 PM
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i totally forgot about that b-line - i used to use the 151 or 152 the b-line took too long
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 10:20 PM
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The 99 B-Line replaced the 31 express (I used to take it to UBC High school for 2 years, and most times they let us off at the stop after blancka).
     
     
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Definitely. The Millenium Line in it's current format is somewhat of a joke, but works well because of it's connection to the Expo Line. Assuming the Evergreen Line happens in the next 5 years, the lack of a M-Line extension to UBC should be painfully obvious to anyone... maybe that's what will be necessary to override the NIMBYs on the west side, who's arguments will never change in the face of anything.
I think there are a lot of things that will override the NIMBYs, first and foremost being the all mighty dollar. With the UBC line built, land values in the immediate area that can be redeveloped will go even higher. People renting out basement suites will be able to charge a bit more. Vancouver City is facing a bit of a budget crunch, the new tax dollars from new high density developments are just what the doctor ordered (balancing the books and keeping property tax as low as possible is still important to some NIMBYs). You give people the option of redevelopment in a mostly commercial corridor or paying higher property tax to keep things the way they are, and enough will choose the redevelopment.

And then you explain to them that a UBC Skytrain line would take all those super loud 99B line buses off the streets as well as lower vehicle traffic in the entire west side by as much as 25%, and they might start thinking twice.

Most of the immediate and large scale redevelopment will probably be along the line between Main and Cambie anyway, where the buildings are almost coming down on their own. Almost the whole length of that section could be replaced with new buildings, and we would all be better off for it.

And to get back on topic, the UBC line would also help increase ridership on the Canada Line by offering great East-West-North-South Connections throughout the region thus helping match and beat ridership projections.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 10:56 PM
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I agree with that - the "problem" that you seem to increasingly see is a need for a business case justification - which to me, may not accommodate a forward looking scenario.
Well, I think the business case for transit should be what it is for any company, increase your customers. Adding 100,000 trips to rapid transit, plus at least another 25% new customers (I would think more) from people who avoid transit because of the buses/time it takes on Broadway, is a rather compelling business case.

Either using TOD to fund transit expansion, and thus ridership, or capturing riders directly from overcrowded corridors, both get right down to the core business case, increasing riders.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 10:58 PM
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1996 was the year B-Line commence, right? (my memory faded as I am getting older)
Not sure, it was around that era. I took the 99 from Lougheed Mall on a regular basis, the M-Line may have been in the planning stages, I don't remember taking it too much during the construction period.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 11:06 PM
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omg... why is the line green!? Come on TransLink! That colour is reserved for the Evergreen Line. >.< I also have to agree with the others about the zone mistake.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 11:44 PM
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The new map and station travel time are up in the Skytrain page:
http://tripplanning.translink.ca/hiwire?.a=iScheduleLookupSearch&LineName=999&LineAbbr=999

Notice the mistakes?
What a mess. The stations are placed wrong. The Canada Line is the wrong colour. The zone line is wrong (on Canada Line). And try clicking on Lonsdale Quay - it morphs into Sea Island Centre and then tells you it takes 9 minutes to travel to the middle of nowhere.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 11:50 PM
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I'm fairly late chiming in on this...

Yes, three minutes feels about right based on my recollection. The train is not going flat and there are numerous switches along the way.
Thank you sir.

I'm thinking that when departing YVR - Airport, that first 3 minutes will seem painfully slow. But at least I know I'll be downtown in 25 minutes!
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2009, 11:54 PM
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My math is off - I was working on 400 per train, but the loading is stated as comfortably, 334 per car, or 668 per train. Given this, the trains can move:
A 2-car Canada Line train holds 334 per train. That's 167 per car...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 12:45 AM
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Sooo....will there be a forum meet up on the 17th? Because I know I'm already going to be down there and would love to meet all/most of you (hehe).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 6:36 AM
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A 2-car Canada Line train holds 334 per train. That's 167 per car...
Not according to the train specs from the InTransit- it says 334 per car. Your number of 167 per car is less than the per car capacity of the Mark II skytrain cars.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 6:41 AM
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After all this time I wont even be in town for the opening day! Very disappointing.
     
     
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Did anyone else notice the graffiti on one of the new above ground street entrances for the Waterfront Canada Line station? It seems some goon got on the fence and a nearby handrail and tagged high up on the wall.

lol

Other than that, I'm pretty HELLA excited with all these photos!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 6:44 AM
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Not according to the train specs from the InTransit- it says 334 per car. Your number of 167 per car is less than the per car capacity of the Mark II skytrain cars.



^ it's "334 per train".
http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/Canada_Line_Vehicle_Fact_Sheet12379.pdf


There's no way each car could hold 334 passengers.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 6:48 AM
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Did anyone else notice the graffiti on one of the new above ground street entrances for the Waterfront Canada Line station? It seems some goon got on the fence and a nearby handrail and tagged high up on the wall.

lol

Other than that, I'm pretty HELLA excited with all these photos!
Yea, I really hate taggers and vandals....a lot of the station entrances have bare concrete exterior walls, I guess we should expect a lot more of this to happen.

Was it on this entrance?


     
     
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There is/was graffiti on the emergency exit of VanCC.

I was walking down Richmond and I heard some promising announcements.

"This train is for... Waterfront."
- Richmond - Brighouse STN

Now, the interesting thing is that this message was played BEFORE the Canada Line train arrived at the station. Finally, we have next train announcements. Now, if they made it MTR style, that would be nice.

But the weird thing is that, it's not at every station in every direction. For instance, at Lansdowne, trains for Waterfront isn't announced while trains for Richmond-Brighouse are announced. At Aberdeen, there are no announcements whatsoever. At least, however, we know it can be possible and can be easily changed.
     
     
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There is/was graffiti on the emergency exit of VanCC.

I was walking down Richmond and I heard some promising announcements.

"This train is for... Waterfront."
- Richmond - Brighouse STN

Now, the interesting thing is that this message was played BEFORE the Canada Line train arrived at the station. Finally, we have next train announcements. Now, if they made it MTR style, that would be nice.

But the weird thing is that, it's not at every station in every direction. For instance, at Lansdowne, trains for Waterfront isn't announced while trains for Richmond-Brighouse are announced. At Aberdeen, there are no announcements whatsoever. At least, however, we know it can be possible and can be easily changed.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 7:05 AM
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 7:13 AM
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lol, it's awesome that the stations have "next station" announcements like the MTR. But it's disappointing that it's only for southbound, even if the only final northbound destination is to Waterfront.

I would have so preferred if they said: "The train to Waterfront is now arriving. Please let passengers exit first."
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 7:16 AM
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so if i were in richmond/ YVR
Service Frequency
Until 7 a.m. Mon-Fri, 9 a.m. Sat and 10 a.m. Sun/Holidays 12 mins
Then until 6 p.m. every day 8 mins
6 p.m. - 11 p.m. 12 mins
11 p.m. until end of service 20 mins
*Between Bridgeport and Waterfront. Trains run half as often between Bridgeport & YVR-Airport/Richmond-Brighouse.


THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR SINGLE TRACKING.


THIS IS WHAT U GET FOR A P3 SYSTEM!


add in the fact that 37,000 NEW riders have to use the Canada Line..... means this is a SHORT TRAIN FIASCO!
this is why the frequencies are this low and this is why they will remain this low for a very very long time. there is a private company trying to recoup their investment and make a profit(which they will), running trains costs money because of wear and tare and other costs, they will not run trains at night when ridership numbers drop just to make transit nicer for people. this is why p3's are a very bad idea for transit, because we lose control and the operators motives are very different from our.
     
     
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