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Old Posted Jul 7, 2009, 6:37 AM
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Your first priority above and beyond all must be to re evaluate your urban plan. With priority going to a major expressway, if not a 2nd widened and median 6 lane road (70-80kmh) thers a couple possibilities for expansion.. as for the expressway as always oxford seems most obvious and yes you may have to exprepropiate some houses while doing so but get it done. traffic is absurd and your only 350K deep. After that you should be able to focus on a new transit priority based on the new dedicated high speed routes available.. lastly if you were to achieve this all in the next 10-15 years you could have a manageable city with much better traffic flow then today... but by then hopefully you will have grown finallyyy and the ring road can be completed... the added investment of working inside first rather than ringroad first will benefit london more greatly.
You're totally right.

And I'm glad you mentioned Oxford. This seriously concerns me. They're spending massive taxpayer dollars to reconstruct a large portion of that road as we speak. Why exactly is it not being widened to 6 lanes at this time? Are they going to waste money like they did with the VMP, only to have to rip it apart again in a few years?
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2009, 9:22 PM
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The crane is up at Tricar's Hyde Park site.....
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2009, 2:12 PM
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What are these building supposed to look like? Are they going to be a copy of the ones on wonderland?
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^I think so, but details are hard to come by. I remember seeing something that resembled those towers at Southdale/Wonderland (behind Blaw-Lobs).
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 7:06 PM
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hopefully they look more like the ones at wonderland and springbank...
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No renders online or on MLS yet. I wasn't impressed with what I saw at planning committee though...
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2009, 5:31 AM
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I was looking at some old road and transit plans for London today, and saw some interesting proposals that never came to fruition.

- In 1990 there was a study involving intersection improvements at Wellington and Commissioners, as part of the widening of Wellington from 4 to 6 lanes between there and Baseline. One of the proposals was to build a SPUI (Single Point Urban Interchange) to replace the intersection, with Commissioners passing underneath Wellington. Another option was to build a grade separated ramp from Commissioners westbound to Wellington southbound, travelling underneath the intersection.

- To the east at Adelaide in the same era, one proposal would've had Commissioners passing over both the CN railway and Adelaide, and Adeliade being extended to flow onto Pond Mills at Southdale. A "jug handle" would have been built as a southerly extension of Leathorne Street, to connect Commissioners and Adeliade.

- Dedicated bus lanes and bus roads, not unlike Ottawa's Transitway, were proposed way back in 1974 in the London Urban Transportation Study (the predecessor to the Transportation Master Plan). The bus lanes would've run along Wellington from Commissioners to downtown, north on Richmond, west on the CP railway corridor, and north along Platt's Lane and Western Road to UWO. Other rapid transit routes would've existed along Dundas east to Highbury and west to Wharncliffe and then onto Springbank west to Wonderland, and the CP corridor one continuing west to Hutton (Wonderland) Road.

- Same 1974 plan called for a southerly extension of Colborne Street to meet Wellington between Baseline and Grand, as well as changing Richmond and Wellington into one-way streets, with Wellington being 3 lanes northbound and Richmond being 3 lanes southbound, converging via either Grey or Simcoe Street. The plan also called for not only the Horton westerly extension which opened in 1985, but also an easterly Horton extension to Trafalgar Street, just west of Highbury, running along the south side of the CN mainline. The long-discussed King Street extension was also shown.

- Also in the 1974 plan was a proposed realignment, in conjunction with Middlesex County, of Hyde Park Road to bypass Hyde Park Corner to the east. Boler Road was also supposed to be realigned to run easterly to Colonel Talbot Road between Baseline and Southdale. The Oxford west extension is also shown, and what later became Veteran's Memorial Parkway.

- The 1974 plan included various road widenings, many of which have never been built. Springbank was called to be widened to 6 lanes east of Wonderland, Wellington to 6 lanes south from downtown to the 401, and Western/Wharncliffe to 4 lanes in the section which is still 2 lanes.

Some of the projects that did come out of this plan included the VMP (1977-1997), the Wonderland/Hutton link (1978), the Oxford extension (2003), the Horton west extension (1985), widening Wharncliffe to 4 lanes from Mount Pleasant Ave to Oxford (1982), widening Fanshawe Park Road to 4 lanes between Wonderland and Adelaide (1995-1998), and the Highbury/Bradley interchange (c. 1993).
I was looking through old pages of this thread and this caught my attention. This is just pathetic. How can our city's leadership be so terrible that none of this happened.

The idea of making Richmond and Wellington one-way streets through the core occurred to me before. I am glad to hear someone else though of it too. It makes so much sense.

And don't get me started on the Adelaide north/south bs. Linking the two sections of Adelaide should be a priority. As should linking Gainsborough, Winderemere, and Kilally.

I think there are still plans for linking Boler and Col Talbot, just in a different way this time.

And why was King St not extended? Seems perfectly logical to me. Same for the Colborne thing.

The Horton extension sounds like a smart move as well.

I think it's pretty sad that in 1974 they knew Wellington and Springbank would have to be 6 lane roads, and to this day they are not.
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This is the story of London, Ontario. What is even more pathetic is the fact that we keep electing the same idiots. It's a pre-requisite to be mayor to have no plan.
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Wow. It's 8:45 on a Saturday evening and I wanted to call London Transit to inquire about a route. There are no telephone operators available on Saturdays after 12pm. What the fuck?! This is pathetic.
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Yah, that's the LTC for you. When classes resume, here will be my day.
Monday to friday I have class until at least 8pm, I catch the Wonderland, which at this time comes every half hour,.. no matter what happens I have to wait 57 minutes for the next Springbank bus westbound, and then I get to walk 3kms from the nearest bus stop to my house. Yah, the London Transit system is awesome.
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I think there are still plans for linking Boler and Col Talbot, just in a different way this time.

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I think it's pretty sad that in 1974 they knew Wellington and Springbank would have to be 6 lane roads, and to this day they are not.
Yes, the plan was later revised to extend Boler southward to meet Colonel Talbot just north of Pack Road, which will eventually be the Bradley extension.

And speaking of which, whatever happened to the Bradley extension segment that was supposed to be built in 2008 between Wonderland and Wharncliffe?

The City of London did favour 6-lane widenings in its plans at one time, but the likes of Sandy Levin were heavily opposed to building roads for future traffic needs. The Oxford extension was originally supposed to be six lanes, and as I recall, he successfully fought to reduce it to two lanes. It opened in 2003 and it took no time for the section around Sanitorium Road to become heavily lined up at rush hour. Levin had the belief that wider roads attract more traffic, but guess what? It means traffic is syphoned off other roads! After Oxford was widened to four lanes east of Hyde Park in 2005-06, I noticed a drop in traffic volume on Riverside.
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2009, 3:24 PM
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Fuck Sandy Levin. What a PRICK. I am going to become a City Council member and propose building an elevated expressway right over top of his house.

The Oxford Extension cost our taxpayers a fortune to build and that asshole thinks he has the right to waste even more of our money by building a bridge that will require major renovation (widening) when 6 lanes are required. Disgusting.

It looks like the current bridge can easily take 4 lanes, but if we need more (which we will when they build the ring road), then Lord knows what they will have to do to fix this problem.

As for the Bradley Extension, the developers wanted out of having to build their sections of it. So instead the city allowed them to revise their plans to use other smaller roads to service those subdivisions. The Bradley Extension is still part of their plan, but with the city tasked with the work who knows when it might happen.
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Heard on the radio today (the apocalyptic tones of Kevin Newman on 97.5) that many infrastructure projects originally slated for this year have been pushed back or postponed indefinitely.
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Heard on the radio today (the apocalyptic tones of Kevin Newman on 97.5) that many infrastructure projects originally slated for this year have been pushed back or postponed indefinitely.
any examples to share?
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The Oxford Extension cost our taxpayers a fortune to build and that asshole thinks he has the right to waste even more of our money by building a bridge that will require major renovation (widening) when 6 lanes are required. Disgusting.

It looks like the current bridge can easily take 4 lanes, but if we need more (which we will when they build the ring road), then Lord knows what they will have to do to fix this problem.
The good news for us is that we all will be long dead before any expressway plans are ever drawn up.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2009, 12:52 AM
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Yeah, they'll start the expressway soon enough... Probably by the time the rest of the world has flying cars and 300 storey buildings.
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any examples to share?
Sorry, I was barely awake, and I just tune out of all the bad news of late, for the sake of my sanity.
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hey guys dundas is closed pretty much from hewit to english does anybody got any new on whats happenin?
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is it worth taking a jump out to london on some random invite for a bit??
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