ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[skapunkskatedude]

Originally Posted by briantech

Know whats cheaper than building public housing?


A one-way bus ticket to New Orleans.

wow. Were not New York just yet...

[ATL_J]

I've live in the area and was wondering, why is that the cops don't just sit outside of the shelter on Courtland and Pine?

I watch people use & deal drugs constantly, blatantly.

I'm sure the cops know this, so I was wondering why they turn a blind eye to it? Honestly, I was hoping the shelter would be forced to close down because of the defaulting of the water bill.

[popewiz]

Originally Posted by briantech

Know whats cheaper than building public housing?


A one-way bus ticket to New Orleans.

That kind of attitude is really unnecessary. Not only do your comments have racial overtones, they really discount what an excellent job Atlanta has done in attempting to eliminate blighted areas while still providing a helping hand for it's most in need citizens.

[echinatl]

Demolition Schedule:

Property: Englewood
Address: 1271 Gault St. S.E.
Year constructed: 1971
Units: 320
Occupancy: 94.7%
Average rent: $274
Demolition schedule: April-Sept. 2008
Number of affected residents: 930
Relocation completion: Jan. 2008
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Property: Jonesboro N.
Address: 2471 Jonesboro Rd.
Year constructed: 1972
Units: 100
Occupancy: 92.9%
Average rent: $220
Demolition schedule: Aug.-Nov. 2008
Number of affected residents: 359
Relocation completion: Jan. 2008
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Property: Jonesboro S.
Address: 2471 Jonesboro Rd.
Year constructed: 1970
Units: 150
Occupancy: 93.9%
Average rent: $231
Demolition schedule: April-July 2008
Number of affected residents: 529
Relocation completion: Jan. 2008
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Property: Leila
Address: 2413 Leila Lane S.E.
Year constructed: 1970
Units: 124
Occupancy: 98.4%
Average rent: $256
Demolition schedule: Jan.-June 2008
Number of affected residents: 377
Relocation completion: Oct. 2007
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Property: U-Rescue Villa
Address: 355 North Ave. N.E.
Year constructed: 1972
Units: 70
Occupancy: 100.0%
Average rent: $302
Demolition schedule: March-Aug. 2008
Number of affected residents: 271
Relocation completion: Dec. 2007
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Property: Palmer House
Address: 430 Centennial Olympic Park Dr.
Year constructed: 1966
Units: 250
Occupancy: 99.2%
Average rent: $196
Demolition schedule: TBD
Number of affected residents: 251
Relocation completion: May 2009
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Property: Bowen Homes
Address: 2804 Yates Dr. N.W.
Year constructed: 1964
Units: 650
Occupancy: 95.2%
Average rent: $226
Demolition schedule: Jan. 2009-June 2010
Number of affected residents: 1,872
Relocation completion: March 2009
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Property: Thomasville Heights
Address: 1038 Henry Thomas Dr. S.E.
Year constructed: 1970
Units: 350
Occupancy: 95.4%
Average rent: $240
Demolition schedule: April-June 2009
Number of affected residents: 1,166
Relocation completion: Jan. 2009
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Property: Bankhead Courts
Address: 3401 Maynard Court N.W.
Year constructed: 1970
Units: 392
Occupancy: 91.9%
Average rent: $271
Demolition schedule: June 1-March 11
Number of affected residents: 1,344
Relocation completion: TBD
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Property: Hollywood Courts
Address: 2515 Hollywood Ct. NW
Year constructed: 1969
Units: 202
Occupancy: 99.0%
Average rent: $252
Demolition schedule: TBD
Number of affected residents: 600
Relocation completion: Jan. 2010
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Property: Roosevelt High Rise
Address: 582 Techwood Dr. N.W.
Year constructed: 1973
Units: 257
Occupancy: 98.4%
Average rent: $198
Demolition schedule: TBD
Number of affected residents: 255
Relocation completion: March 2010
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Property: Herndon Homes
Address: 511 John St. N.W.
Year constructed: 1941
Units: 273
Occupancy: 99.3%
Average rent: $250
Demolition schedule: March-Aug. 10, 2010
Number of affected residents: 629

[briantech]

Originally Posted by popewiz

That kind of attitude is really unnecessary. Not only do your comments have racial overtones, they really discount what an excellent job Atlanta has done in attempting to eliminate blighted areas while still providing a helping hand for it's most in need citizens.

The only racial overtones would be the ones you put there yourself. This is a socioeconomic issue, not a racial one.

And might I remind everyone that Atlanta already successfully bussed people out of the city in 1996.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

I've live in the area and was wondering, why is that the cops don't just sit outside of the shelter on Courtland and Pine?

I watch people use & deal drugs constantly, blatantly.

I'm sure the cops know this, so I was wondering why they turn a blind eye to it? Honestly, I was hoping the shelter would be forced to close down because of the defaulting of the water bill.

Since they work in teams and have lookouts. They cant just detain and search everyone. Some bullshit about the bill of rights.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by briantech

Know whats cheaper than building public housing?


A one-way bus ticket to New Orleans.

[Rail Claimore]

Originally Posted by briantech

The only racial overtones would be the ones you put there yourself. This is a socioeconomic issue, not a racial one.

And might I remind everyone that Atlanta already successfully bussed people out of the city in 1996.

I remember that. They were like "Go have fun in Birmingham for a while."

[cabasse]

http://www.squidoo.com/homelessnessatlanta

[foxmccleod]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

I've live in the area and was wondering, why is that the cops don't just sit outside of the shelter on Courtland and Pine?

I watch people use & deal drugs constantly, blatantly.

I'm sure the cops know this, so I was wondering why they turn a blind eye to it? Honestly, I was hoping the shelter would be forced to close down because of the defaulting of the water bill.

I live nearby. There is often a police officer at the intersection, mostly making sure things are calm, more than stopping people from using and selling. As mentioned, they also tend to have pretty decent lookouts and signals. It is the same issue with the prostitutes in the area, you have to catch them in the act, which can actually be a little difficult.

[echinatl]

Originally Posted by foxmccleod

I live nearby. There is often a police officer at the intersection, mostly making sure things are calm, more than stopping people from using and selling. As mentioned, they also tend to have pretty decent lookouts and signals. It is the same issue with the prostitutes in the area, you have to catch them in the act, which can actually be a little difficult.

Maybe go undercover!? Seems to me it really isn't difficult at all. They could drive by there a few times in an unmarked police car. If they wanted to clean that area up they could.

[echinatl]

Originally Posted by cabasse

http://www.squidoo.com/homelessnessatlanta

From the front page:
""Friends" is possibly a better word to use when speaking of the homeless in Atlanta. "

I LOVE it when my friends hit me up for money everytime I see them. Or walk around completely wasted and high and scream at random people while breaking bottles on the sidewalk and littering around the entire community. I especially love it when my friends break into cars and rob people!
/s

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

Since they work in teams and have lookouts. They cant just detain and search everyone. Some bullshit about the bill of rights.

Who said anything about detaining and searching everyone?

All I said is there is a copius amounts of drug dealing going on. For the most part, its people coming in to take advantage of the people who use the homeless shelter and are addicted to whatever drugs.

Now, you say they work in teams? Some might, but from my experiences (and I live right there), they're not acting too concerned about anyone else seeing them or seem to be working in some intricate teams. Whose to say I'm not an undercover cop or anyone else that comes by? They're obvious.

Also, from my experiences and my friend's experiences, it doesn't take too much for a cop to assume suspicious behavior and come up to question/search you. There's not reason that area should be covered as lightly as it is by law enforcement.

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by echinatl

Maybe go undercover!? Seems to me it really isn't difficult at all. They could drive by there a few times in an unmarked police car. If they wanted to clean that area up they could.

Exactly.

There's a white car that sits in parking lot next to the shelter (been there the past couple of weeks) and people from the shelter hop in the car, hand them money, and leave. It wouldn't be hard for a cop to catch them in the act, I can watch it from my window. As you said, if they wanted to stop it, they could. For all they know I could've been a cop, so these "lookouts" must not be doing a good job.

[gttx]

Originally Posted by echinatl

Demolition Schedule:

—-
Property: Palmer House
Address: 430 Centennial Olympic Park Dr.
Year constructed: 1966
Units: 250
Occupancy: 99.2%
Average rent: $196
Demolition schedule: TBD
Number of affected residents: 251
Relocation completion: May 2009

—-
Property: Roosevelt High Rise
Address: 582 Techwood Dr. N.W.
Year constructed: 1973
Units: 257
Occupancy: 98.4%
Average rent: $198
Demolition schedule: TBD
Number of affected residents: 255
Relocation completion: March 2010

I would really like to see them find some sort of adaptive reuse for these buildings. They are well-located, and could be potential revenue generators for the city. Plus, I can't imagine Bobby Dodd Stadium without that building looming in the background, normally lit with something GT-related.

[popewiz]

Originally Posted by briantech

The only racial overtones would be the ones you put there yourself. This is a socioeconomic issue, not a racial one.

And might I remind everyone that Atlanta already successfully bussed people out of the city in 1996.

Positing that race is not connected to socioeconomic status in this country and more specifically, the South is somewhat intellectually dishonest. Perhaps your statement carried no racial overtones in your eyes, but you must understand how they come across.

As for busing people out of the city before the Olympics, I'm not sure everyone would agree that it was "successful." Not only did Atlanta place an additional burden on all of its neighboring communities, in doing so Atlanta in essence admitted to failing its citizens.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by popewiz

Positing that race is not connected to socioeconomic status in this country and more specifically, the South is somewhat intellectually dishonest. Perhaps your statement carried no racial overtones in your eyes, but you must understand how they come across.

As for busing people out of the city before the Olympics, I'm not sure everyone would agree that it was "successful." Not only did Atlanta place an additional burden on all of its neighboring communities, in doing so Atlanta in essence admitted to failing its citizens.

So in one breath you will admit that homeless people represent a "burden", yet in another say that its a failing on Atlanta?

It's "citizens" like that that have failed Atlanta, not the other way around. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If you've allowed your very existence to represent a "burden" (your words, not mine) on your city, who's fault is that?

[popewiz]

Originally Posted by briantech

So in one breath you will admit that homeless people represent a "burden", yet in another say that its a failing on Atlanta?

It's "citizens" like that that have failed Atlanta, not the other way around. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If you've allowed your very existence to represent a "burden" (your words, not mine) on your city, who's fault is that?

Personal responsibility is important. There are a great many things we can do to pull ourselves up without the help of others, but even after having done all those things, would you admit that it's possible to just be down on one's luck?

Of course not all homeless people are, there will always be those that take advantage, but this is true at all socioeconomic levels (Madoff, Goldman Sachs, etc.) and we shouldn't ignore those who truly need a helping hand to find their way out of a bad situation.

It's ironic that many of the same people who lump all homeless into the "lazy" and "without personal responsibility" category see no problem extending unemployment benefits when previously middle class people start losing their jobs.

Despite homeless citizens being a burden, I don't believe that my viewpoint is a dichotomy. I see this as a failing on behalf of the city of Atlanta and the state of Georgia because I truly believe that we should be judged on how we treat the least fortunate among us.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by popewiz

Personal responsibility is important. There are a great many things we can do to pull ourselves up without the help of others, but even after having done all those things, would you admit that it's possible to just be down on one's luck?

Of course not all homeless people are, there will always be those that take advantage, but this is true at all socioeconomic levels (Madoff, Goldman Sachs, etc.) and we shouldn't ignore those who truly need a helping hand to find their way out of a bad situation.

It's ironic that many of the same people who lump all homeless into the "lazy" and "without personal responsibility" category see no problem extending unemployment benefits when previously middle class people start losing their jobs.

Despite homeless citizens being a burden, I don't believe that my viewpoint is a dichotomy. I see this as a failing on behalf of the city of Atlanta and the state of Georgia because I truly believe that we should be judged on how we treat the least fortunate among us.

So by your own argument, it is their personal responsibility that accounts for where they are

But it's a failing on Atlanta's part that the situation exists.

Seriously?

[briantech]

Lets put it another way. One, Atlanta is not a conscious, sentient entity. Its a conglomeration of people trying to live with each other in a mutually beneficial way.

If, according to you, atlanta has "failed" these people... dare I ask the question what these people have done for atlanta? Have they self organized into a coalition against litter? Have they done fundraisers for... themselves? Have they done ANYTHING to help the city of Atlanta?

If this isn't a two way relationship, then what are we really arguing, if not the continued subsistence of parasites? People who leech off the hardwork of the actual citizens of atlanta, give nothing in return, and expect everything back?

I live downtown. I work downtown. I walk past the pine st shelter every day. Those people don't care about Atlanta. And I dare you to spend a night there and argue differently.