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Old Posted Jul 25, 2009, 8:44 PM
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New plans for Hayden Ferry?

http://www.urbanrealtyaz.com/Blog/Downto...yden_Ferry_Lakeside_to_Make_Changes.html


Hayden Ferry Lakeside to Make Changes
According to recent rumblings, Suncor, the developer of the prominent, steel and blue Tempe development on the shores of Tempe Town Lake, has some new ideas regarding their proposed Hayden Ferry Lakeside development site plan.

First, a little history. It was announced in April, that Suncor had decided to exit the residential development business. Click here to read our previous blog post and article regarding this. The developer made the decision to unload their remaining un-sold units at “Bridgeview at Hayden Ferry Lakeside” to an investor. (According to reports, the developer is indeed in escrow with an out-of-state investor and the completion of the sale is imminent.)

Once this sale was announced, it left the final two proposed residential buildings in a state of limbo. (The two unbuilt residential buildings are shown in the rendering above: “Shoreline” and “Waterford” Condominiums.) The community was left to wonder whether the developer would sell the rights to the remaining residential towers to the new investor or retain the rights. It appears that Suncor has decided to keep control of that land. However, Suncor has plans to scrap the two residential towers and instead build a 12 story commercial office building as well as a 3 story building with retail.

Considering the current residential housing environment, this seems to make a great deal of sense. We are unsure of the time frame planned for these new commercial buildings, but based upon the recent news flowing from the commercial real estate industry, we would venture to guess an invitation to a “ground breaking ceremony” will not arrive in our mailbox anytime soon!


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I believe they were also supposed to break ground the 3rd tower off of Mill/Rio late this year. I am currious if that will happen or if that will be postponed as well. My guess is a lot of these will be delayed for some time. It is interesting they are going with more retail. It would be cool if they created shops along the lake side. The only problem I see with this is that South Bank has the same idea. So you have Mesa Riverview/ Tempe Marketplace / Southbank / Hayden Ferry / Mill ave. That is a lot of retail competition. Then again - Scottsdale has quite a bit as well. Hope the economy gets better. Speaking of Riverview. Who designed that nightmare of a parking lot. I've been there a couple of times and it is not a fun place to drive around. I will more than likely stick with Tempe Marketplace unless I need to go to home depot. Also - why Marketplace is getting a Sams Club (future dev.) as opposed to Costco is beyound me...
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2009, 1:16 AM
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Phase I and II of Hayden Ferry have been up for several years and the ground floor of those buildings, which have really nice lake views and the potential for large patios, were intended to be retail. Unfortunately after several years of attempting to lease the space to retail tenants the majority of the space is vacant with only 1 coffee/sandwich shop. Based on the economy and the current office leasing market the likelyhood of the Phase III beign constructed in the next couple of years is highly unlikely, probably more like 4-5 years.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 1:21 PM
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Its too long to post here but the New Times has a big long article on the Mid Century Modern frat "houses" along Alpha Drive at ASU:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2009-07-3...d-wright-are-on-their-way-to-demolition/

It seems strange to me that ASU is thinking about paying to knock buildings over and build new ones in the current state budget crunch. As much as I hate frats/frat guys and I can't ever recall those buildings being nice in my lifetime, it seems with as notable some of the architects were, they must have nice bones. The whole street has been tagged up with Greek letters and the whole street is a mess. Maybe if they did a small planter in the street or along the sidewalk (a la historic Cen. Phx) it could help a lot.

These buildings are a lot less meaningful to me personally than the old MCM geodesic dome bank that ASU knocked down, but it still seems like we need to do a better job saving buildings of this era. I know some here aren't big fans of the style, but I think we can all realize the importance of preserving some historically significant buildings. The article makes it sound like ASU is the only major school in the country to have done sort of an architectural showcase for its frat row, so thats certainly notable and perhaps part of the reason to save the area.

Anyway..discuss!
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 1:58 PM
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^ I could care less. These buildings aren't old or remarkable enough to be considered "historic," even under the loosened Phoenix definition of what historic is.

I'm guessing that the cost to rehab them and integrate them into some new development is greater than the cost to raze them and start over.

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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 2:40 PM
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^^^ Agree with Don.

It would be awesome if ASU razed that entire block. I once went to a party in one of those houses and it was unbelievably disgusting, I never went back.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 3:18 PM
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^ I could care less. These buildings aren't old or remarkable enough to be considered "historic," even under the loosened Phoenix definition of what historic is.
You do realize we can't have 100 year old historic structures when we knock them down at 50, right? In the 60s and 70s when 'we' knocked over most of downtown it was less than 50 years old and thus 'not really that historic.' We look back on that as being pretty silly, don't we?
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 3:34 PM
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^ I could care less.

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So then you do care somewhat for these buildings?




I never knew these frat houses were designed by some of those architects... they never looked all that great to me when I went to ASU. But now that I'm starting to acquire a taste and appreciation for midcentury architecture, maybe we should save them. I used to think that geodesic dome building was the ugliest and weakest looking ASU building, especially considering the location. But now, I wish it had been saved. Although, I wish it could have been incorporated into something (the entire building saved and incorporated, not just the dome).
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 3:39 PM
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Considering that these frat houses are sitting on prime real estate along the LR line, they should, at the very least, be relocated from that site. Land is prime for TOD.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 5:17 PM
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ASU still owns that geodesic dome from the old bank building that they tore down when construction began for the honors college. It was carefully hoisted off the building with a crane and set aside. As of now, it is in storage somewhere here in the valley. (Anyway that's the latest I have heard about the fate of the dome.)

I had originally thought and heard that ASU planned to reuse the dome and incorporate it into the new buildings somehow. I really wish they had done so.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2009, 9:04 PM
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I lived in one of the frat houses last year and while everyone agrees they suck, the reason it is such a big deal is because it's just another park of Crow trying to end what's left of the Greek system at ASU. They want to build something like Adelphi that is run by the school and is nothing but a glorified dorm.

Agreed, it is a prime spot for some neat TOD and I personally think the houses should go, I'm just against the way Crow goes about these types of things.

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Old Posted Jul 31, 2009, 2:17 AM
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^Then the Greeks should go and raise funds through their precious alumni and legacy members and build their own houses...on their own land if they don't like it.

There's nothing to save about these. They weren't worth saving a dozen years ago when I was at ASU.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2009, 5:09 AM
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I've been away from this forum for a few days, so forgive me if this has already been posted.

I was biking on Mill today and at 7th next to the Jack in the Box is a public hearing sign for a Dos Gringos to be built there.

So across the street would be Unos Pizza and a Dos Gringos. If a Tres Amigos went into the old Borders spot or Z Gallery, I think it would be a pretty cool intersection
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2009, 3:50 PM
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/\ hahaha...

I hope somehow it's not just a dos gringos. Maybe incorporate it with some office or even residential (as crappy as it might be to have drunks and music playing as you're trying to sleep).
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2009, 4:41 PM
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Cool as in full of corporate crap. Totally cool. Mill sucks. The indie place like Regions are terrible (and out of business) and the corporate places are packed and have no personality. Lame.

Also, I'd much rather see some decent TOD/Dorms on that corner than the damn frat houses. Those places are so trashed. They make the Animal House look like a palace.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2009, 5:37 PM
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I've been away from this forum for a few days, so forgive me if this has already been posted.

I was biking on Mill today and at 7th next to the Jack in the Box is a public hearing sign for a Dos Gringos to be built there.

So across the street would be Unos Pizza and a Dos Gringos. If a Tres Amigos went into the old Borders spot or Z Gallery, I think it would be a pretty cool intersection
Interesting. That location at Mill and 7th is the old Long Wong's spot I believe (before it was demolished), and more recently was supposed to be the location of a new hotel. So ultimately it sounds like, we lose Long Wong's and possibly gain a Dos Gringos. Meh, even though Dos Gringos is a cool and popular college hangout, I'd vote for Long Wong's on that corner any day.

I am curious, if Dos Gringos does go ahead, and builds a new restaurant on that corner, will they be closing their location just east of Rural Rd. at 8th Street? That spot is only a little over a mile from Mill and 7th. It would suck if they did close that one. It's one of my favorite hangouts for beer specials and live entertainment. Plus, it is within easy crawling/stumbling distance of my front door.
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Didn't one of the Dos Gringos partners just get locked up for tax evasion within the last few weeks?
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2009, 12:44 AM
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Here's an article on the newly opened "Weatherup Center" at ASU, its supposed to be the Taj Mahal of basketball facilities:

http://southwest.construction.com/features/archive/2009/0809_F4_HoopDreams.asp

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New Weatherup Center Fulfills Lofty Goals for ASU Basketball

The $19.5 million Weatherup Center provides ASU’s basketball program with a state-of-the-art practice facility.


By Scott Blair

The world of college basketball is as competitive on and off the court.

Schools compete for the best talent, and part of that strategy is to entice potential players with facilities that serve to better their game while providing a comfortable atmosphere.

The two identical circular locker rooms (one for women’s basketball and the other for men’s) feature cleverly designed wood cabinetry and carpetry emblazoned with ASU’s Sun Devil mascot. (Photo Courtesy Carlos Espinosa)
That’s exactly what Arizona State University’s new Weatherup Center, which opened this summer, was designed to do.

“The spaces, materials and overall design create a competitive edge for recruitment of top national athletes,” says Krista Shepherd, vice president with the Phoenix-based design architect Gould Evans. “Given that the players and coaches spend a significant amount of time each day there, it was important to create comfortable spaces filled with natural light to serve as their home away from home.”

Privately funded with a total project cost of $19.5 million, the building is named after largest donors Craig and Connie Weatherup. While the 48,500-sq-ft project broke ground in May 2008 under the Phoenix office of general contractor Mortenson Construction, construction on the structural steel and masonry building didn’t begin until more than a month later because the contractor was finishing up the adjacent football practice facility.

“There was such a push to get that done for July’s football season, we basically ignored this building for the first couple months,” says Troy Hansgen, project manager with Mortenson, taking what was a 13-month schedule and reducing it to just 10.”

Normally, builders would stand the steel first and then build the masonry up to it, but to accelerate the schedule, Hansgen says crews built the masonry up to 12 ft first and then brought the steel in. Glendale-based Vickers/Hari Contracting was the masonry contractor.

“We also did quite a bit of shift work,” Hansgen says. “We had people stacked in here pretty tight, so we shifted areas so guys wouldn’t be working over the top of each other for safety reasons. In the lobby, for example, we were putting the terrazzo floor in at the same time we were finishing the ceilings. We offset those crews so one would work during the day and the other would work at night.”

The east and west sides of the long two-story building are mirror images, with identical court spaces for men’s and women’s basketball. The central core houses offices, locker rooms and lounges. Other building materials include metal panels, curtain wall and a truss roof system in the gyms.

The building features a two-story central core skinned in a curtain wall and metal panels that houses offices, a/v rooms, lockers and player lounges. Landscaping is desert-appropriate with minimal water requirements.
Each of the two gyms have one full court and two half courts, a free-throw shooting area and three shoot around baskets for warming up.

Both courts feature second-story balconies for visitors and potential recruits to observe practice without interrupting the team.

“The court spaces were built of a series of shifting wall planes that allows the courts to receive natural lighting and breakup the potentially overwhelming masses,” Shepherd says. “The offset panels allow for sunlight to penetrate into the court spaces during the day and for the gym lights to escape at night, creating a unique experience within and outside of the Weatherup Center.”

The star of the venue is the court surface, which mimics the floor at Wells Fargo Arena where the teams play during the regular season. “Ours is computer generated, so now they can reproduce this floor anywhere, whereas before they laid Wells Fargo by hand,” Hansgen says. “Next time they replace that floor, they’ll actually copy ours.”

The floor was installed with the goal of maximizing spring and eliminating dead spots. First, concrete was shot into place with two perpendicular layers of plywood as a base. The Forest Stewardship Council-certified maple wood flooring floats atop this. “This facility rivals anything else in the country, college or pro,” Hansgen adds.

The building was originally designed for LEED silver certification, but the team is now expecting to achieve gold. Over 65% of project waste was recycled, high-efficiency HVAC systems were used and low-VOC materials were used throughout. Also, with the requirement that all Arizona state buildings receive a minimum of 15% of energy consumed through alternative means, Weatherup Center will have a 138-kw photovoltaic system on the roof, which should provide up to 43% of the building’s power.

“ASU has an aggressive green agenda and has been implementing large solar installations across the campus,” Shepherd says. “The Weatherup Center is one of those installations.”

Visitors and potential recruits can view the on-court action from a second-story coach’s balcony above each of the two identical gyms. The wall planes allow indirect natural light in through narrow window slats. Strategically placed video cameras tape all the action for coaches to review with players after practice -- or even during, via large screen televisions located courtside.

Each circular locker room is outfitted with stained wood cabinetry and a floor emblazoned with the Sun Devil mascot logo. The attached showers and bathrooms, while fitting into the general sustainable nature of the project with low-flow fixtures, are luxurious and comfortable to accommodate the oversized players.

Player lounges feature multiple video monitors, as do the coach’s offices and conference rooms. This network of televisions is equipped to stream just about every basketball game being played across the country. Coaches and players can control the sophisticated audio/visual system to pull up broadcasts featuring their next opponent. There are even large screen televisions next to the basketball courts. “The coaches will record practices, and if there’s something going wrong and the players don’t get it, they can walk over to a large-screen TV right there on the court, the coach can replay it and show them exactly what they need to improve,” Hansgen says.


The dramatic two-story entry lobby hopes to attract top talent with elegant yet clever touches such as the terrazzo floor in the pattern of a basketball, glass handrailings and high-end wood and stone.
While the system was installed by Phoenix-based TPI under a separate contract, close coordination was required because Mortenson’s scope included the electrical and all the pathways for the cabling. “We held weekly meetings and used BIM extensively for coordination, because we wanted to make sure we got the block-wall penetrations right the first time,” Hansgen says.

Meanwhile, Shepherd says the best way to understand the impact of the building “is to listen to the buzz that has been created in the basketball community. Prior to this facility, both teams practiced in Wells Fargo Arena where scheduling was always a challenge given the demand on the facility by other programs. This facility focuses on giving greater court access and practice flexibility for the players.”





It looks like a really cool building, I hope it gives ASU a leg up on recruiting over the evil UA in the future
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2009, 3:05 AM
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It looks like a really cool building, I hope it gives ASU a leg up on recruiting over the evil UA in the future

Ditto!!

It looks like an amazing facility. Where exactly is it?

Hopefully this can attract the recruits, which will make ASU basketball better, which will then attract even more recruits.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2009, 6:52 AM
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^Its back by the bubble and the softball stadium, practice fields, etc. East of Rural. I think you'd enter it by going on "Athletes Place" off of University. You can see a layout here showing ASUs athletic facilities and little descriptions of their future plans.
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don't know if anyone has read this, but it's interesting... if you're bored out of your mind

http://www.asu.edu/purchasing/forms/asu_tempe_compplan.pdf

a very short version:

http://www.asu.edu/cdp/tempe/ASU_Tempe_c.pdf
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