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Distill3d · #**7161** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 5:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

These aren't MK II. They don't even look at all like a MK II. Even the shades of grey are different. We have three different type cars on the SkyTrain network:

1) MK I by ICTC/Bombardier
2) MK II - first and second generations by Bombardier
3) C-Line by ROTEM

I'm sure this has been discussed, but will the MK I and MK II cars work on the Canada Line and vice versa?

deasine · #**7162** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 5:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

We like to confuse any non-English speaking tourist by using non-universally understood signs / symbols.

Actually "Way Out" is widely recognized around the world... UK uses it. It's just we always used "Out"

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Originally Posted by Distill3d

I'm sure this has been discussed, but will the MK I and MK II cars work on the Canada Line and vice versa?

Discussed too many times: no. MK I and MK II are LIM trains. Canada Line uses conventional rail. Moreover, the width of the Canada Line trains are wider, which means if you plug a MK I/MK II train onto the Canada Line, the doors can't reach the platforms.

WarrenC12 · #**7163** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Discussed too many times: no. MK I and MK II are LIM trains. Canada Line uses conventional rail. Moreover, the width of the Canada Line trains are wider, which means if you plug a MK I/MK II train onto the Canada Line, the doors can't reach the platforms.

"Mind the gap between the platform and the station"

deasine · #**7164** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

"Mind the gap between the platform and the station"

metroXpress · #**7165** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 7:14 PM**

^ I guess we will have to jump over

metroXpress · #**7166** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 7:27 PM**

I have to post the pics

Look at this map...

They didn't even say that you have to transfer to go to Richmond...I guess that's part of the voice announcement.

You can see the light coming down from street level

I am giving up the idea for a 60-m vision...another RTL down Arbutus/Knight/Boundary!!

Oh....I like this one:

CONNECT TO EXPO LINE>>>

So it's a 3 minute walk to Granville station:

Here comes the most important one....look at TransLink's vision for Broadway corridor!!!!

lightrail · #**7167** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Actually "Way Out" is widely recognized around the world... UK uses it. It's just we always used "Out"

Discussed too many times: no. MK I and MK II are LIM trains. Canada Line uses conventional rail. Moreover, the width of the Canada Line trains are wider, which means if you plug a MK I/MK II train onto the Canada Line, the doors can't reach the platforms.

Not to mention the train won't move owing the lack of magnets on the guideway.

Yume-sama · #**7168** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 7:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Actually "Way Out" is widely recognized around the world... UK uses it. It's just we always used "Out"

I'd assume most people from England don't qualify as non-English speaking tourists, though.

racc · #**7169** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Allen

Here comes the most important one....look at TransLink's vision for Broadway corridor!!!!

This is out of date. I imagine they just reused the display boards from the Canada Line public consultations that happened before the Evergreen Line was named or the Provincial Transit Plan included the UBC Line.

raggedy13 · #**7170** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 8:11 PM**

Ha! I saw myself in one of your pics, Allen. But it looks like it was taken just after you arrived and just moments before I was about to leave.

officedweller · #**7171** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 8:18 PM**

Pacific Central is marked in the wrong location - it should be a diagonal line to the east - this makes it look like its up Main St.

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metroXpress · #**7172** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 8:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by raggedy13

Ha! I saw myself in one of your pics, Allen. But it looks like it was taken just after you arrived and just moments before I was about to leave.

So you were one of those people that rushed in at 2:00PM? I was still enjoying my Starbucks

Overground · #**7173** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by djmk

what is this "WAY OUT" business?

is this some sort of vancouver colloquialism?

what happened to "EXIT" or "SORTIE"?

As mentioned the UK widely uses this for a variety of things with the Tube the most well known. Some rail systems that use it are Seoul, Singapore, Chicago, Melbourne, Glasgow.

Spork · #**7174** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 11:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by djmk

what is this "WAY OUT" business?

is this some sort of vancouver colloquialism?

what happened to "EXIT" or "SORTIE"?

It is to rebrand Vancouver as a more chill city, much along the lines of "Far Out", as the words "Way" and "Far" can be used interchangeably to indicate that something is a long distance away, e.g.:

That lighthouse is way out there.
That lighthose is far out there.

The repositioning of the Vancouver "brand" as Canada's Jamaica is slowly taking shape. I believe that the first indications of such are the palm trees around English Bay.

Pinion · #**7175** Posted **Jul 27, 2009, 11:52 PM**

I was just about to say the same thing about the "Way out" sign. It is completely counter-intuitive - "way out" makes me think "far away" more than "exit."

And this is from someone who's lived in three different English speaking countries.

Overground · #**7176** Posted **Jul 28, 2009, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by lightrail

No - the trains can't be any wider - the guideway is designed for the width of trains we have. They're not that narrow - they're about the same width as the London Underground deep level tube trains. The trains can be made longer, provided the platforms are extended (which is planned). A six-car MKII train will be about the same length as a London tube train (for comparison).

This is true, for example, the LU 1996 Stock used on the Jubilee Line are almost exactly the same width and length as the MKII. Approx. 17m x 2.6m. They run seven car trains now though.

lightrail · #**7177** Posted **Jul 28, 2009, 4:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Overground

This is true, for example, the LU 1996 Stock used on the Jubilee Line are almost exactly the same width and length as the MKII. Approx. 17m x 2.6m. They run seven car trains now though.

Tube stock width is measured at floor height, the sides (including the doors) curve in to fit in the circular tunnels. So the actual room (volume) is less than Skytrain.

Source: Wiki - 1995 Tube stock - notice the doors curve over into the ceiling - this is so the train will fit in the circular tunnels. This is on the Northern Line (notice the line diagramatics running the length of the car and the full system map on the wall - Translink could learn a thing or two here).

Source: Translink - Mark II Skytrain stock - the width is actually a little less than the London Underground - but London Underground trains doors, wheels and traction equipment actually take up a lot of room - that's why so many seats are sideways in the above picture - the wheels, traction equipment, heating and ventilation, etc are under the seats (because the train must be low to fit the tunnel profile). On Skytrain there is no motor, so less equipment is needed inside the train, plus there's more clearance under the car for equipment. It feels more spacious than the tube trains.

GeeCee · #**7178** Posted **Jul 28, 2009, 5:36 AM**

Does anyone know if the C-Line LED signs that show when the next train is actually base that upon current train locations, or just a timed schedule?

lightrail · #**7179** Posted **Jul 28, 2009, 6:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

Does anyone know if the C-Line LED signs that show when the next train is actually base that upon current train locations, or just a timed schedule?

They're activated by the train entering the station - they don't give time estimates as on Canada Line - just where the next train is going.

Sorry - mis-read the question. I'm guessing it will be based on the location of the train - something they will know given the transmission based signalling and automatic train control. Anybody know for sure?

deasine · #**7180** Posted **Jul 28, 2009, 7:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by lightrail

They're activated by the train entering the station - they don't give time estimates as on Canada Line - just where the next train is going.

Sorry - mis-read the question. I'm guessing it will be based on the location of the train - something they will know given the transmission based signalling and automatic train control. Anybody know for sure?

It's most likely based on signaling and train control: something like this for SkyTrains are possible, except developing new infrastructure so that it fits on current trains is expensive. New SkyTrains use this too, except in a LED map form.

I'm 100% sure it's not GPS location based as there is no possible way that could work underground, not to mention, it's not needed. Time estimates are based on which station the next train is about to enter first + the time it takes to get to the station you are on now.