[Surrey] The Urban Village | 102m| 35fls | Completed - Page 10

jlousa · #**181** Posted **Jul 18, 2009, 1:32 AM**

Leftcoaster is simply in possession of the model same crystal ball that I have. It's not smugness at all, it's just a healthy dose of realism. We all wish the best for Surrey,we just don't all agree with the overly optimistic projections.

WaxItYourself · #**182** Posted **Jul 18, 2009, 4:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Volksboi

Ok, so for the above posts.....

CC2 will be taller then CC1, it just wont be 49 stories....

"So wait, Surrey isn't going to be the new downtown of the metro Vancouver area?? It was all just an outlandish plan??

I'm so surprised!!

Sorry... smugness isn't very becoming."

well you clearly have no idea what your talking about.....

And for the powerlines and the site being a forest... This site used to have houses on it and they were torn down... I agree 100%, they need to be removed asap...

The site still has old housing on it on one side of the street though I'm not exactly too sure what they plan on doing with that seen as how almost the entire area is behiond those blue fences but there is no plans laid out for the area yet.

Volksboi · #**183** Posted **Jul 18, 2009, 6:02 AM**

Weststone owns all the land between 102a and 104... Ultra is being built right behind Agenda, and another phase is being built right next to Element around the same time....Every inch of that land is planned as well as the surrounding property through different developers. Its going to be quite the area...Cant wait to see Ultra rise up!

Volksboi · #**184** Posted **Jul 18, 2009, 6:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Leftcoaster is simply in possession of the model same crystal ball that I have. It's not smugness at all, it's just a healthy dose of realism. We all wish the best for Surrey,we just don't all agree with the overly optimistic projections.

again lame...all I gotta say... But I do agree we all dont have to agree on everything. Cheers Guys

go_leafs_go02 · #**185** Posted **Jul 18, 2009, 6:31 AM**

Yeah. We'll see where Surrey goes. The City has all these plans for City Centre, but look at how Newton has fallen in the last 10 years or so. Some really nice neighbourhoods and houses back there that are pretty much just falling apart and coming run-down undesireable neighbourhoods.

I think the same will happen in Cloverdale/Clayton once the houses there are 10-15 years old, and not brand spanking new.

Volksboi · #**186** Posted **Jul 18, 2009, 6:55 AM**

Yea you never know what will happen. I feel pretty positive that this will not be the case here. There is to many partys involved now on a much deeper level then most people think..

So we will all just have to sit back and see what happens...

BattleAxe · #**187** Posted **Jul 18, 2009, 5:26 PM**

Newton is a lower income area, People in Clayton heights tend to be middleclass people. Some of the things people say on here just boggle the mind. Its almost like saying that South Surrey is going to be like Newton in 10-15 years.....get a grip!

GMasterAres · #**188** Posted **Jul 21, 2009, 6:27 PM**

Income levels tend to reflect respect over one's property. While not entirely 100% mapped 1 for 1, the lower a group or area's income level, the less respect they show towards objects. That gets magnified when people are in areas and places they simply rent rather than own.

It's just like most Universities. The kids whose mommy and daddy pay for them to go to expensive Univeristy usually mess around, drink at the SUB, and barely pass (if they do pass) their classes, where the kids that pay out of their own pockets, actually pay attention and do well. Obviously not 100% but it's the norm.

I grew up in Newton and you had a lot of people that were lower income (including my family). We were one of the few families that actually took a bit of pride in our home, cut the grass, painted things, made sure our lawn outside was upkept. The majority of people around us who were renting the places didn't care though. Broken stoves on the front lawn, rusted car that hasn't run in 40 years, — all over the place including garbage, the list goes on.

It has nothing to do with the place and all to do with the people. That's why i think it is so absolutely ridiculous they want affordable housing in the Olympic Village. You give these 800,000 places to low income people and 99% of them are not going to maintain them and it will just drag down the neighborhood over time. So the point above is correct, that saying South Surrey will be like Newton in 10 years is silly. You have a higher level of people that respect where they live and respect themselves living there, so they put in the effort to maintain the neighborhood.

If everyone puts in effort to maintain their own place, places don't go to the crapper. It comes down to the people not the city. You have drug dealers in your neighborhood? The community should deal with them not cry to the city 24/7 but sit on their hands. As soon as people get off their buts and actually take responsibilty for their home and their neighborhood, things improve and get better. As an example, in my low incoming housing area where I grew up, we had 2 neighborhood kids who went around busting fences. Now the first thing that makes an area look rundown and like a dump are busted up fences or fences with graffiti on them. I remember my dad one day caught one of the boys, Tommy his name was, kicking in a neighbors fence. He was about 9 years old. My dad grabbed him, took him to his home, knocked on the door, and told both Tommy and his parents off that this kind of — shouldn't happen and if their kid kept doing it, the community was going to send them the bill for every single fence broken. He didn't callt he cops. He didn't call the city. He didn't fork off the responsibility to someone else. He dealt with it as a person living in a community of people, looking out for the neighborhood.

Tommy never broke another fence after that.

SpongeG · #**189** Posted **Jul 21, 2009, 6:37 PM**

a lot of low income people are also renters and just don't have the right or the money to maintain a home

some try but than you end up with a hodge podge of buckets and cans used as flower planters which look kinda cheap and tacky

GMasterAres · #**190** Posted **Jul 21, 2009, 6:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

a lot of low income people are also renters and just don't have the right or the money to maintain a home

some try but than you end up with a hodge podge of buckets and cans used as flower planters which look kinda cheap and tacky

Just an excuse. Most of the stuff that makes an area look bad is basic like cutting the lawn, washing your driveway so it's not covered in dirt, or making sure your fence looks good and bushes are cut nicely.

We had someone where I live now in Fleetwood take an old standup freezer and put it on the side of their property. It was there 3 weeks. Not because they couldn't afford to dispose of it but because they were lazy (since everyone in my neighorhood own their 350,000+ homes). So after 3 weeks and asking them twice to remove it, every evening for 6 days I would go out at midnight and move the the freezer into their driveway right against their garage door.

It meant that every morning when the girl would open the garage door ready to pull her car out and go to work (a Lexus btw), she had to get out and move the freezer all 5'2" and maybe 120 lbs of her. After 6 days of doing that (I was impressed at their laziness) they got rid of the — thing.

Just 1 lazy couple in a place they own made the area look like a garbage dump with this old freezer sitting there on the side of the road. No excuse for 90% of the the stuff out there. Like I said, my family was very low income when I was growing up and we managed to do little things to make sure our area looked presentable.

It's just lazy people with no respect.

LotusLand · #**191** Posted **Jul 21, 2009, 7:00 PM**

Just to chime in here. CC2 will be scaled down but as stated above it will be taller than CC1. I know people out here hope that they will have the tallest building in the region etc... and you still might but it is going to take time, a long, long time. The economics don't make sense and the road infrastructure in the city is suitable for the American Suburan type development and not Central City Core kind. In order for Surrey to get a proper street grid it will take 50 plus years as there has been too much runaway sprawl that just can't be torn down.

Surrey is our regions Mississauga, high hopes but will never be the central focus and I stress Never, no amounts of fusion festivals, cloverdale rodeos and fireworks for Canada Day will put it on the map. That is reality, it is a suburb of Vancouver and outside of Canada most people think of Surrey England or TomKats kid when they hear Surrey

As for Element and Agenda, great additions probably the best location you can get. The neighbourhood is quiet and doesn't have to deal with King George traffic noise unlike the towers on King George.

Diet Butcher · #**192** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 12:29 AM**

Element took down the fence around it today so I guess it is ready for people to start moving into.

Anyone moving in?

Volksboi · #**193** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 6:44 PM**

Theres a fire at the Agenda Building... not to sure whats going on... Apparently an electrical fire.. Im stuck at work, so cant go home to check it out

Diet Butcher · #**194** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Volksboi

Theres a fire at the Agenda Building... not to sure whats going on... Apparently an electrical fire.. Im stuck at work, so cant go home to check it out

Apparently the electrical room in the Underground parking caught fire and there is no power to the building at all, the Sprinklers are electric so they actually dont work if the electricity is out so the backup lights are on and they are going floor by floor to make sure there are no fires elsewhere in the building

CoryHolmes · #**195** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 8:39 PM**

Hopefully it doesn't turn out like Quattro on 108th...

Volksboi · #**196** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 9:38 PM**

Any updates from anyone, im still at work...

Diet Butcher · #**197** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 10:30 PM**

Power is out for the entire building apparently caused by a contractor in the electrical room. His cell phone went off and created an Arc which blew up the electrical room

Hallways are pitch black where ther are no windows no backup lights.

Everything is contained to underground parking no damage to the building or any units it would appear.

One of the fire guys said it could be days until power is restored.

Meanwhile Element units are closing and people are getting their keys currently.

GMasterAres · #**198** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 11:44 PM**

To people annoyed that CC2 won't be a massive tower, how long did it take Vancouver itself to get a 600 foot tower? 60 years? There were over 600 highrise towers in Downtown Vancouver before they got their first 600 footer. There's a grand total of something like 15 in the Central Surrey core right now. Surrey has a long ways to go before it gets a massive super tower.

Like I've said a million times, until the proposal goes through and has a building permit, everything is up in the air. They scaled it down due to the economy. Today the Bank of Canada said we're pretty much coming out of recession and Canada is the first country in the developed world to have recovered. A lot is speculation though but if correct, that means things could be starting to roll. I still think you're going to see sputtering until the US economy recovers or at least pulls out of recession, so we're a few years away still.

Ultimately though, more new highrises is a good thing, massive or not. Another CC2 even if the same size as CC1 is STILL GOOD because it means 1 more building, 1 more anchor for downtown, and 1 more insentive for business to look towards Surrey instead of Vancouver/Burnaby.

People just need patience and to not get all their hopes up when some person builds a 10 minute Sketchup model of a 900 foot tower in Central Surrey.

metroXpress · #**199** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 11:53 PM**

^ people are just afraid that the time frame is to big and they won't be able to see it themselves...such as the proposed "Surrey in 2075"

GMasterAres · #**200** Posted **Jul 23, 2009, 11:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Allen

^ people are just afraid that the time frame is to big and they won't be able to see it themselves...such as the proposed "Surrey in 2075"

True.