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Old Posted Jul 21, 2009, 3:22 AM
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I can do without the suburban buildings along the greenbelt. Sure they look neat there, and aren't something you really find anywhere else in Texas, but then again, neither is the landscape, which I'd rather see left alone. Besides, working there has to suck. It's a horrible location. Just imagine the holidays with Barton Creek Mall traffic, and traffic on Mopac heading towards Zilker. Not to mention just everyday normal Austin congestion. And people wonder why traffic is bad there. It isn't the trees, people.

By the way, just curious, does anyone here ever go hiking on the greenbelt or any of the other natural areas around Austin? If you haven't, I highly recommend it. Believe me, it'll make you appreciate, even more, how special our city is. It makes you realize how unique this place is. I cringe at the idea of having people develop all that land just because they never saw it in person and don't realize how unique it is.

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But that land is not the greenbelt. I understand not wanting development in the greenbelt; that would be absurd. Are we not to have development near the greenbelt either? That's the same kind of logic as the Save Town Lake people had, or the OWANA people complaining about high-rises downtown being too close to their neighborhoods.
That's different though. The land around downtown isn't environmentally sensitive. This isn't a nimby issue, since you never hear from residents in the hills complaining about the development in West Austin, it's an environmental issue. That land sits on top of an aquifer which replenishes our waterways and provides drinking water.

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That being said, why was this land not purchased by some person, organization, or governmental authority if it is such a travesty for it to have built upon? That was only built a couple of years ago. Maybe SOS should stop filing stupid lawsuits, or doing petition drives for stupid causes, and raise money to buy sensitive land instead.
Well, roadways like Mopac and Loop 360 are only about 25 to 30 years old. I suppose the relatively short life of those has something to do with it. I do agree that if they were so important that they should have been protected. Of course just like with everything else, money and public concern is an issue. You might have one of those things involved with it, but rarely both at the same time.

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Honestly, if the city was going to buy any land, I wish they would have bought the old pecan groves on Barton Springs Rd. They could have leased it back to the restaurants and trailer parks, but preserved the wooded feel in one of Austin's most distinctive areas. We've already got 1 or 2 condo buildings destroying that area, eventually all that land will probably be sold for a "better financial use". It's gonna be terrible for those condo owners when the amenity that was the Barton Springs "restauarant row" disappears because it's not the most financially profitable use...

Honestly, I'm not really that concerned about stuff going up right along 360 or 360 & Mopac, especially if that prevents them from going out farther into the hill country, or destroying places like Barton Springs Rd.
While I do miss the trees, honestly, I had only ever been to that place once. Believe me, we're better off without a trailer park within a stone's throw from downtown. As for the restaurants, as long as there's residents in the area and Austinites that still patronize the place, they'll be around for a long time. I think if their ultimate fate was to be bulldozed for condos, that it would have happened with the ones that are being built there already. If anything, having new condos in the area will make those restaurants even more popular, and thus, profitable.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2009, 3:28 AM
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A good chunk of the properties along south Mopac were zoned for commercial development long before much stricter ordinance(s) were enacted (SOS, etc.). Basically, zoning was grandfathered in.

Personally, I would have preferred this never been built. The greenbelt crossing feels like a natural oasis surrounded by Austin's urbanity. But, it is what it is. At the end of the day, the land owners had the zoning to sell/develop their properties as they saw fit. Doesn't mean its appropriate for its location, but it was not in control of regulating authorities.
yep. agree on all fronts. doesn't mean I have to like what that developer did. We tend to separate into simple camps on here too easy sometimes. I never once said it was illegal or not someone's "right" too build. I am simply dismayed that that parcel was unfortunately not in the green belt and was built on. I don't like it. I can be pro-development and still want to see our green spaces maintained. It's about balance. I can only hope that civic pride will overcome greed more often. I'm just silly that way.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2009, 4:53 AM
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i dont want my taxes going towards a government purchase of land.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2009, 5:27 AM
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You'll own it. Not a bad deal really. The County has already done it with Reimer's Ranch. Just google that name for info.
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Quote of the day... Kevin in Tx. - " Believe me, we're better off without a trailer park within a stone's throw from downtown."

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austin today is almost like atlanta back in the 90s. all the luck to you austin!
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i dont want my taxes going towards a government purchase of land.
Like Yosemite or the Grand Canyon?
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austin today is almost like atlanta back in the 90s. all the luck to you austin!
I hear ya. I hate how much character mid-town lost to the codo boom. And, yes by character I mean some of the falling down dives. Alas, investors always follow the fun folks.........
     
     
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Quote of the day... Kevin in Tx. - " Believe me, we're better off without a trailer park within a stone's throw from downtown."

LmaO.
that is funny as..... poop.............
     
     
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i dont want my taxes going towards a government purchase of land.
Go tell it to Sgt. Sam, or the former Todd and Don.
     
     
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Go tell it to Sgt. Sam, or the former Todd and Don.
If you don't mind high taxes you could always donate more of your income to the government. You could also stop claiming tax deductions in order to help the government buy and pay for more stuff.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 3:53 AM
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No, we'll just keep on letting the government tax the rich. Hopefully incomes 250,000K+ will start getting taxed at like 50% so we can get lots of new, fancy stuff.

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No, we'll just keep on letting the government tax the rich. Hopefully incomes 250,000K+ will start getting taxed at like 50% so we can get lots of new, fancy stuff.
I hope your not serious because that is friggin ridiculous.
     
     
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I hope your not serious because that is friggin ridiculous.
What is ridiculous? Is it the 50% tax rate, $250k income threshold, or something else?
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 5:24 AM
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No, I'm not serious. I'm actually the complete and total opposite of what my last post insinuated. I don't think there should be any taxes whatsoever. Let every person fend for themselves. Survival of the fittest. ANARCHY!

Actually, I'm not serious about that either. I have no idea what system works best. Maybe the system Cuba has implemented. It seems to work well enough.

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Yeah, but how does this have anything to do with Austin development? Let's stay on topic. Do feel free to start a thread in the Austin section though.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 5:32 AM
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Good point.
     
     
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One last thing on the tax money for parks issue then I'm done with it:
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Sorry, I just look at those two pictures and would prefer not to see it there. It is (IMHO) a less than ordinary infill project in a not so ordinary location. To me, It's out of place. Driving into town thru that area was such nice relief to all the development around it.

Because we can build everywhere, does not mean we should. The impact of our beautiful growing skyline would look so much more interesting without that building in the foreground.

Hate it.
The thing I hate about that complex is that it makes the view more worse.

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We have a 600 footer!!!!!! Had to be the first one to use the banaride on such a great day.
You forgot to do the little countdown thingy mabob.

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Sort of like Spring being on the edge of downtown. Or a lot of the new buildings downtown "towering" over the river. It seems like exactly the same mentality to me.

That being said, why was this land not purchased by some person, organization, or governmental authority if it is such a travesty for it to have built upon? That was only built a couple of years ago. Maybe SOS should stop filing stupid lawsuits, or doing petition drives for stupid causes, and raise money to buy sensitive land instead.
Spring does seem towering over downtown.

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Quote of the day... Kevin in Tx. - " Believe me, we're better off without a trailer park within a stone's throw from downtown."

LmaO.
I mean really that is got to be the QOTD.

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austin today is almost like atlanta back in the 90s. all the luck to you austin!
Yea it does look like that, especially when I've never experienced the 90's. LMAO.

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that is funny as..... poop.............
That doesn't make much sense.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2009, 1:39 AM
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If you don't mind high taxes you could always donate more of your income to the government. You could also stop claiming tax deductions in order to help the government buy and pay for more stuff.
I'm not sure my Todd and Don comment was understood (or maybe it was?).
     
     
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