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Old Posted Jul 9, 2009, 11:22 PM
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El Nino may hurt Vancouver Olympics

What can you do? Add it to the list i suppose. Pandemic, global recession and now El Nino. LOL

What was it like during the last El Nino here?

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From King5.com

Forecasters say El Nino is back, which means the potential for lower snowfall and warmer temperatures this coming Winter in the Pacific Northwest.

That could also mean a big problem for skiers and snowboarders next February at the Olympic Games in Vancouver and Whistler, B.C. as well as for ski resorts in the Cascades.

Scientists with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration say the surface temperature along a narrow band in the eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean climbed to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit above normal last month.

The forecasters said they expect this El Nino to continue strengthening over the next few months and to last through the winter of 2009-2010. That could mean warmer and drier than normal conditions for the Pacific Northwest.

KING 5 Meteorologist Rich Marriott says during a typical El Nino winter, the storm systems from the Pacific will split as they approach the West Coast and head north to Alaska and south to central and southern California.

As a result, that leaves Washington, Oregon and British Columbia with warmer temperatures and lower snowfall.

The timing is not good for snow at Whistler, B.C., which will be host to the alpine events of the Winter Olympics in just 7 months.

“It could have a bad effect on the Winter Games,” said Marriott.

The timing is also not good for Northwest ski area operators, who face the possibility of having to open the season later than usual because of the expected low snowfall.

El Nino also presents potential problems for the Northwest fishing industry. NOAA says warmer oceans can lead to a reduction in the seafood catch off the West Coast, and fewer fish can also impact food sources for several types of birds and marine mammals.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_070808WXB-el-nino-snowfall-olympics-TP.24234630.html
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2009, 11:44 PM
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or it could mean too much snow....

seeing that this article is from KING5 news, you would expect them to do a little analysis on their own Mount Baker. i remember so much snow in 1994 that is was just sick! and the 98/99 year was even better. i believe 98/99 snow season was the largest snowfall ever record on this planet
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2009, 11:45 PM
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To me this is the kind of "news" that falls in the "vaguely specific" category. I mean, yes, it's interesting. But lots of things might affect the Olympics. Perhaps rather than a graphic and scary headline, we could have been presented some historical facts?

I haven't lived here my whole life so I'll start with the most obvious question for those in the know. Has there ever been a winter when there wasn't snow in Whistler in February - meaning none on the ground at all? How about at Cypress Mountain?

If the answer is "no," then nothing in this report leads me to believe this is a major concern. In fact my one thought was that it could be a blessing. Maybe we'll have snow on the mountains but sunnier, warmer conditions in Vancouver. That would lessen the chance of a rain-out. It might even mean hints of spring.

If the answer is "rarely, especially during the El Nino of XX-XX" then that's something to ponder.

If the answer is "yes, El Nino years are horrid. We might not get any snow." then by all means it could be a concern.

Anyone have any answers since the meteorologist and King News couldn't be bothered with digging up any relevant historical data, deciding mildly alarmist reports were easier and more cost-effective .

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Old Posted Jul 10, 2009, 12:04 AM
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Pique Article from 2006 about El Nino

Mixed bag story in this report from the Pique magazine in Whistler in 2006.

The basic implication is snow might be wetter and that it might have more of an impact on Cypress, less on Whistler. Did indicate the possibly of even more snow in Whistler. Also does mention that conditions tend to have little or no effect from normal conditions March - June. Of course no one knows for sure, the whole "predicting the weather thing" being a challenge . But, hey, at least this article discusses actual data, which is more than the report today offered:
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Pique article (http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/pique/index.php?cat=C_News&content=Winter+weather+1341):

Environment Canada predicting warmer winter
El Niño could be good news for Whistler

Published Date: 2006-10-12 Time: 10:10:42

By Andrew Mitchell

While no doubt some Canadians are welcoming the Meteorological Service of Canada’s forecast of a warm, dry winter, the impact on coastal mountain resorts like Whistler may not be as bad.

According to MSC weather forecaster Peter Jones, the main culprit behind the warmer temperatures is an El Niño developing over the eastern Pacific Ocean.

Warmer El Niño waters typically influence temperatures across Canada, to the extent that it has become one of the more reliable forecasting tools for meteorologists.

The connection between El Niño and precipitation is less certain, says Jones, and on the coast it can vary depending on the presence of an Aleutian low pressure system further north. While most of the country could experience lower precipitation because of El Niño, the coast could actually be a great deal wetter.

That, says Jones, is where freezing levels come in and higher temperatures will have the greatest impact.

“In the end, what we think we know and do know to some extent is that at lower elevations in the Coast Mountains, 1,200 metres and below, whatever precipitation falls will fall more as rain proportionally than in a normal winter,” said Jones. “When you look at Cypress Bowl at 350 metres you can see the snow at a fraction (of normal) during an El Niño, while at 1,900 metres at the Roundhouse (on Whistler) — where we have records back to 1973 — is more total snow.

“It might be wetter snow on average, because the freezing level is a little higher, but overall that’s what we’ve seen.”

Some of Whistler-Blackcomb’s best winter seasons, including 1997-98 and 1998-99 were El Niño years.

El Niño conditions in the Pacific so far are rated as weak, but according to MSC computer models will become moderate by December and the start of the winter season. As a result there is less likelihood of arctic outbreaks that last for any length of time, if the southern part of the province sees any arctic weather at all, and parts of the Lower Mainland will likely stay snowless throughout the winter.

“Personally I’m a skier so I’m always interested in the data, and I’m anticipating a lot of questions about this because of the huge economic impact it could have on the province, a lot of questions about the snow,” Jones said. “It’s only in rare years that I would take the time to explain what we know, every other year I would say we’re guessing, don’t waste you’re time on this even though we put out a seasonal forecast for every season.

“El Niño winters are different — only when El Niño is moderate or strong do we have any confidence in (the seasonal forecast).”

For December through the end of February, temperatures in the southern part of the province are expected to be about 1.5 degrees Celsius warmer on average, with parts of Ontario and Manitoba expecting temperatures almost three degrees warmer. Temperatures will be close to normal, about one degree warmer than average, for March, April and May.

In terms of precipitation, the Coast Mountains could see anywhere from 0.2 to 3.8 additional millimetres per day, averaged out over December, January and February, while the Interior of the province could see a drop of 0.3 mm per day on average — depending on the strength and position of the Aleutian Low.

Precipitation in March, April and May for the Coast Mountains is forecast to be close to normal, or about 0.1 mm per day above average.

Although there is no established link between El Niño and global warming, some evidence suggests that there’s an indirect link that amplifies the effect of the warmer waters on climate.

It’s interesting to note that Environment Canada’s predictions run against those of the Canadian Almanac, which is predicting temperatures that are one or two degrees colder on average and near normal precipitation. The Almanac also predicts that the most snow will fall in mid-to-late November, from early to mid-January and from mid-to-late February.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2009, 1:00 AM
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I haven't lived here in about 15 years, but growing up I don't ever remember there not being a ski season on Grouse or Cypress, let alone Whistler.

When was the last El Nino?

I know that there is always a focus on the absence/presence of December snow as the Xmas holiday ski season is usually a make-or-break for the local resorts.

As for the Olympics in particular, even if there is no natural snow on the mountains, VANOC has planned ahead and there will be enough artificial snow created to hold all ski events.
     
     
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thanks for digging up that article johnjimbc!

"As for the Olympics in particular, even if there is no natural snow on the mountains, VANOC has planned ahead and there will be enough artificial snow created to hold all ski events."

what do you do with all the events planned for callaghan valley?
     
     
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I don't think a lack of snow will be a problem, I mean it's February. If the Games were held in December, that might be an issue...as seen with the lack of snow and wet and windy weather during the alpine World Cup in 2005.

I'm quite sure there won't be any problems in Whistler, but there could possibly be some at Cypress. Not just quantity, but quality.

On the bright side, wouldn't this theoretically mean a greater likelihood of sunshine during the Games?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2009, 11:22 PM
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We had an absolutely garbage snow year this year, and all of the events went off without a hitch, with the exception of the freestyle events at Cypress. Whistler will be fine, as mentioned above, snow quality issues at Cypress will likely be the only potential issue.
     
     
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