Canada Line | Completed

[SpongeG]

most tourists usually get transport included from their hotel you pay for the "transfers" - even the hostel has a regular van that picks people up at YVR

as forthe premium and employees if you have a transit pass isn't the YVR portion covered by that?

[DKaz]

I'd imagine that all employees pre and post security will have to start carrying ID.

As for residents of Sea Island, they will likely have a bus going to Bridgeport via the C92 so they bypass the premium zone altogether.

[Mac Write]

Used to be covered by that, but it seem it no longer will.

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

I don't get why everyones freaking out about the YVR price...

Pretty much every major city in the world with a train link charges a premium. If not they wouldn't build the damn lines. There isn't a base commuter group that will ever use them so they must charge up to make a basic RTI.

I went to the Olympics in Sydney in 2000 and they basicly did the same thing as us..... built an out of the way train extension to the airport and they also charge a premium and it works!

To be honest they could even charge 15.00 return and I'd still be happy.

Plus I'm sorry last I checked the Airporter is like 20 plus return... and it taken 30-45 to get DT.

Damn Cabs are around 30-40 and you have to deal with a middle eastern guy who tells you to go home and beat your wife (*true story).

Also the fact my company will be very happy that I won't have to expense out 70$ for 3 days of parking now that I can pay a small in comparison 12.00$

So anyways...

Apples and Oranges.

The Canada Line is a Subway Line, not a dedicated airport trains service. People using it will get crammed on crowded trains just like everybody else.

London Underground, Heathrow Airport is in Zone 6 and the fare is four pounds sterling from central London, same as for all other destinations in zone 6. Travelcards and passes are valid with no surcharges. There are three underground stations serving the Heathrow passenger terminals and one underground station serving the cargo area.

Chicago O'Hare is connected via the Blue Line. The fare is the same as the rest of the Subway system $2.25 flat fare. No surcharge to go to the airport.

Atlanta is connected by Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit rail lines. The fare is a flat $2.00 same as the rest of the area served by MARTA - no surcharges.

Portland airport is connect by the red MAX line. It is in zone three and cost $2.30 form downtown Portland - same as all other three zone destinations. There is no surcharge.

Some examples of subways/LRT connecting the airport to the city. I've not included dedicated rail services, such as Heathrow Express or the JFK Airtrain because they are dedicated purpose built people-movers for the airport only.

The point is - I don't know of another rapid transit line (subway/LRT) that imposes a surcharge for going to the airport.

Second, I don't like the half-assed why it appears to be implemented. Can only buy it as an add-fare and can only buy it from a machine on the Canada Line.

I think it is going to be so unpopular and hard to administer that Translink will drop it - but not until after the cash-cow of the Olympic Games.

Also the comment that Seattle LRT doesn't serve the airport because it requires a walk on a walkway to the terminal is just really stretching it. Heathrow Terminals 1, 2, and 3 are served by a single Underground station and the walk is longer than at SeaTac to any of the terminals.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

I don't think the Canada Line is intended to replace all need for vehicle traffic on Grant McConachie way. It's intended to be an option. In many cases, driving to the airport will still make sense.

Well YVR wants a lot of the people to get dropped off at Templeton Station and then shuttled to the airport instead. At least that's what they are encouraging. In the future, I can see YVR putting tolls on Great McConachie Way, and they will have every right to do that since it's their property.

And why not since it's free to ride the C-Line on Sea Island. I guess that's another reason why TransLink is charging a premium add-zone to the airport.

Originally Posted by BCPhil

When smart cards and fare gates go in, it will be much simpler to enforce. Smart cards can automatically be charge the add fare when leaving and entering the YVR stations so people with smart cards don't even have to worry about buying an add fare. And airport employees can have their employee status kept on the card to keep them from getting charged.

Personally, I don't think it makes sense to put fare gates on Sea Island but instead have staff check fares. People have luggage and all and it can be very inconvenient unless they use those large fare gates. Many airport trains don't have fare gates like the MTR Airport Express in Hong Kong, at least they didn't the last time I went there.

Originally Posted by crazyjoeda

Airport employees have free parking.

Where did you hear that from? I'll drive to work (before the Canada Line opens) if that's the case but it's $45 per month to park at YVR and you have to ride an employee shuttle.

[Dave2]

retracted

[SpongeG]

none of the details are out yet

wait till they are out and than freak out

do people go to the airport every week? at most i might go once a year

[WaxItYourself]

Originally Posted by lightrail

Apples and Oranges.

The Canada Line is a Subway Line, not a dedicated airport trains service. People using it will get crammed on crowded trains just like everybody else.

London Underground, Heathrow Airport is in Zone 6 and the fare is four pounds sterling from central London, same as for all other destinations in zone 6. Travelcards and passes are valid with no surcharges. There are three underground stations serving the Heathrow passenger terminals and one underground station serving the cargo area.

Chicago O'Hare is connected via the Blue Line. The fare is the same as the rest of the Subway system $2.25 flat fare. No surcharge to go to the airport.

Atlanta is connected by Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit rail lines. The fare is a flat $2.00 same as the rest of the area served by MARTA - no surcharges.

Portland airport is connect by the red MAX line. It is in zone three and cost $2.30 form downtown Portland - same as all other three zone destinations. There is no surcharge.

Some examples of subways/LRT connecting the airport to the city. I've not included dedicated rail services, such as Heathrow Express or the JFK Airtrain because they are dedicated purpose built people-movers for the airport only.

The point is - I don't know of another rapid transit line (subway/LRT) that imposes a surcharge for going to the airport.

Second, I don't like the half-assed why it appears to be implemented. Can only buy it as an add-fare and can only buy it from a machine on the Canada Line.

I think it is going to be so unpopular and hard to administer that Translink will drop it - but not until after the cash-cow of the Olympic Games.

Also the comment that Seattle LRT doesn't serve the airport because it requires a walk on a walkway to the terminal is just really stretching it. Heathrow Terminals 1, 2, and 3 are served by a single Underground station and the walk is longer than at SeaTac to any of the terminals.

We have to remember that by this time or soon they are going to have the card readers in use. I'm sure that the technology will be built into the card readers that can determine how much the entire fair for the airport, including the addon fare, will cost.

[ryanmaccdn]

Originally Posted by lightrail

Apples and Oranges.

The Canada Line is a Subway Line, not a dedicated airport trains service. People using it will get crammed on crowded trains just like everybody else.

London Underground, Heathrow Airport is in Zone 6 and the fare is four pounds sterling from central London, same as for all other destinations in zone 6. Travelcards and passes are valid with no surcharges. There are three underground stations serving the Heathrow passenger terminals and one underground station serving the cargo area.

Chicago O'Hare is connected via the Blue Line. The fare is the same as the rest of the Subway system $2.25 flat fare. No surcharge to go to the airport.

Atlanta is connected by Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit rail lines. The fare is a flat $2.00 same as the rest of the area served by MARTA - no surcharges.

Portland airport is connect by the red MAX line. It is in zone three and cost $2.30 form downtown Portland - same as all other three zone destinations. There is no surcharge.

Some examples of subways/LRT connecting the airport to the city. I've not included dedicated rail services, such as Heathrow Express or the JFK Airtrain because they are dedicated purpose built people-movers for the airport only.

The point is - I don't know of another rapid transit line (subway/LRT) that imposes a surcharge for going to the airport.

Second, I don't like the half-assed why it appears to be implemented. Can only buy it as an add-fare and can only buy it from a machine on the Canada Line.

I think it is going to be so unpopular and hard to administer that Translink will drop it - but not until after the cash-cow of the Olympic Games.

Also the comment that Seattle LRT doesn't serve the airport because it requires a walk on a walkway to the terminal is just really stretching it. Heathrow Terminals 1, 2, and 3 are served by a single Underground station and the walk is longer than at SeaTac to any of the terminals.

With those airports as example.... many of the lines continue on or will continue on to more stations after the airport... the SOLE PURPOSE of the Canada Line extension to the Airport is to take Airport passengers and give them easier access to transit options or get directly to DT.

With the other lines you have mentioned there is a commute aspect... with the Canada Line the only employee's will be the 500 or so during every shift change plus Airport passengers.

To be honest if there was no Olympics and the Canada line didn't pass so close to YVR I doubt we would have built the line and just put in a people mover to save cost.

Im glad they did, for continuity but it's really only an airport line like the JFK scenario you stated above...

I also don't see an issue with the add fare option... the only people who will need to use the add fare option will be the tourists/business people who visit the city. They very few commuters of YVR workers will have work ID's they just use in conjunction with their monthly fare-cards.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by WaxItYourself

We have to remember that by this time or soon they are going to have the card readers in use. I'm sure that the technology will be built into the card readers that can determine how much the entire fair for the airport, including the addon fare, will cost.

maybe it will be like the bart and deducts it from your card when you get off

[WaxItYourself]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

maybe it will be like the bart and deducts it from your card when you get off

exactly what I was thinking.

[Gordon]

It will be interesting to see how Translink polices the special YVR fair zone. It's not like Translink to have a person on each YVR bound train,
I don't think having a straight honor system will be that effective it'll be very easy for people to just forget the add fare.

[mr.x]

^ but this isn't Translink, it's ProTransBC (formerly InTransitBC). They've said that there will be a much higher staff presence on the Canada Line and a lot more fare checks.

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

With those airports as example.... many of the lines continue on or will continue on to more stations after the airport... the SOLE PURPOSE of the Canada Line extension to the Airport is to take Airport passengers and give them easier access to transit options or get directly to DT.

Not true for Heathroe and Chicago - the line ends at the airport.

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

With the other lines you have mentioned there is a commute aspect... with the Canada Line the only employee's will be the 500 or so during every shift change plus Airport passengers.

What? There is no difference.

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

To be honest if there was no Olympics and the Canada line didn't pass so close to YVR I doubt we would have built the line and just put in a people mover to save cost.

Not getting your point here??

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

Im glad they did, for continuity but it's really only an airport line like the JFK scenario you stated above...

Wrong. It is a subway line like London and Chicago - it's nothing like the JFK airport train at all

Originally Posted by ryanmaccdn

I also don't see an issue with the add fare option... the only people who will need to use the add fare option will be the tourists/business people who visit the city. They very few commuters of YVR workers will have work ID's they just use in conjunction with their monthly fare-cards.

Fine. I do have an issue with it.

[Gordon]

Thanks. I didn't realize inTransitBc had changed it's name to ProTransBC.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by lightrail

Not getting your point here??

His or her point is:
- If it wasn't for the olympics, the Canada Line wouldn't have been built (which is true to only a certain extent).

- Because of the above, YVR would've opted for a people mover for Sea Island instead (which I'm not too sure about)

- Because of the above, the people mover would require a transfer made to the future rapid transit line to Richmond to replace the 98 B-Line

- Because of the above, we wouldn't have a seamless rapid transit line to the Airport from downtown

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by lightrail

The Canada Line is a Subway Line, not a dedicated airport trains service. People using it will get crammed on crowded trains just like everybody else.

The point is - I don't know of another rapid transit line (subway/LRT) that imposes a surcharge for going to the airport.

Barcelona does aim for a special airport fare with a regular service train. The Cercanias train is a commuter train that goes thru and stops at suburban stops and Eixample before terminating at the old city. A one-way fare bought at airport arrivals costs 2.40 Euro, but it is not well-publicised that a ticket from a T-10 pass (like faresavers, good for other modes of barcelona tranist) would bring the cost down to 0.77 Euro one-way to the airport. IMO this is ingenious - a surcharge on outsiders and an advantage to those who would use more transit. I hope that translink will try to emulate this.

Have they actually announced the fare structure officially?

[Yume-sama]

To be honest, I probably won't be using this to go to the airport, or from the airport. Ever.

BUT, it is definitely a nice option

*edit* Apparently I responded to something a few pages back

[dreambrother808]

the fare surcharge is in no way outrageous. i wish everything was cheap and/or free too, but in the end translink has finite resources, naturally.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Thanks. I didn't realize inTransitBc had changed it's name to ProTransBC.

InTransitBC is really the construction company whereas ProTransBC is the operator.