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Old Posted May 27, 2009, 10:12 PM
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did you know...

Torino to Milan is closer in distance than Vancouver to Hope?
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^ according to Google Maps that is only partially true. By car Torino is 10km closer to Milan, but it is actually 15 minutes faster to get from Vancouver to Hope. So they are approximately the same distance.
Why does it matter?
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did i say it mattered?
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did i say it mattered?
One could assume that you posted it because you thought it had some... relevance, at the time.
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not really just thought it was interesting that vancouver gets this biggest city to host yet torino is really just like a suburb of milan which is much bigger
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Great news, about the Challenger relief map, wonder where they might install it after the games, the thing is monstrous
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After a decade in storage, the iconic Challenger Relief Map will be dusted off and used during the 2010 Olympics.

A small portion of the giant-scale map of British Columbia has been installed in the atrium of the RCMP's Vancouver Integrated Security Unit (VISU) building at 11411 No. 5 Road at Steveston Highway in Richmond. The unit will be in charge of security for the Olympics.

The map has been in storage since 1997, when it was removed from the Pacific National Exhibition grounds during the greening of Hastings Park. In recent years, it has been stored at an Air Canada hangar by Vancouver International Airport. The Olympics display is temporary; the map is still looking for a permanent home.

Eight of the map's 196 panels have been freed from limbo to show dignitaries and security forces the topography of the province near the Olympic sites in Vancouver and Whistler. The section being used stretches from just north of Whistler south to Seattle, west to Vancouver Island and east to Hope.

"Part of it has been repainted and it's been electrified, which is wonderful because it adds some zing to it," said former Social Credit cabinet minister Grace McCarthy, who is part of a committee trying to find a home for the map.

"You'll be able to look down and push buttons and be able to see the highway going up to Whistler and everywhere else in that part of the province."

The other big change in the map is that white snowcaps and blue glaciers have been added to some of the mountains. The populated areas are a light lime-green, the mountains are a deep forest-green, the waters of Georgia Strait a soulful shade of blue.

"It's as if it was a picture from a satellite," said Alan Clapp, chairman of the Challenger Map Advisory Group.

"With all the colours, snow on the mountains, oh, it looks beautiful. Everybody's knocked out when they see it, they can't believe it. When we get all 196 [panels] done, it'll be sensational, just sensational."

The map is a marvel, a classic relic of the larger-than-life era of former premier W.A.C. Bennett. It took George Challenger and his family seven years to build, and is constructed from 989,842 pieces of quarter-inch fir plywood cut, painted and assembled on four-by-eight-foot panels.

The PNE's B.C. Pavilion was built to house the map in 1954, when it was unveiled for the British Empire Games. It became one of British Columbia's most enduring symbols, wowing hundreds of thousands of visitors to the PNE.

George Challenger was so proud of his map he sought and received permission to have his ashes stored underneath it after he died. His ashes lay beneath the map from 1964 until 1997, and are now with his family.

Unfortunately the general public won't have access to the map during the Olympics, because security will be tight at VISU. But there may be some tours when the map is officially unveiled.

McCarthy loves the map.

"What I liked about it was that you could take your family and they were fascinated by the size," she said. "They could picture the province, it was a great teaching tool."

His grandson Bill said George Challenger was born in Kitchener, Ont. in 1881, and moved to B.C. in 1897. He was active in mining and logging, and started making relief maps in the 1920s. The first was of remote Loughborough Inlet on the central coast, where he was trying to figure out the best place to put in roads and railway lines.

During the Second World War he constructed a relief map of southwestern B.C. for military and evacuation purposes. He started the Challenger Map in 1946, aided by his son Robert and daughter-in-law Jean.

Legend has it Challenger built the map in his basement, which blows McCarthy's mind.

"He must have had the patience of Job to do all that," she said.

"Who would have have attempted that? People build boats in their basement and can't get them out. Imagine building a province in your basement and taking it out piece by piece."

As dazzling as the Challenger map is, Clapp and his committee have had a very hard time finding a permanent home for it, probably because it's so big. Attempts to have it installed at the renovated terminal at the Vancouver International Airport and the new Vancouver Convention Centre failed.

Clapp said there are two possible permanent locations under consideration, but wouldn't say where they are.

"We've had a couple of inquiries from outside of Vancouver [Kamloops and Harrison Lake], but the map belongs in Vancouver," he said. "And that's where it's staying."
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I have fond memories of circulating around that huge map during the PNE. I'm glad it was properly preserved and (according to the article) renovated/updated to some degree.
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^ i'm looking forward to the Concord site, and the security screening features at the bus depot are quite intriguing.
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Column: Federal government is turning its back on 2010 Olympics

Penny pinching is a sign Prime Minister is losing touch with Vancouver and needs a B.C. lieutenant with West Coast sensibility

By Miro Cernetig, Vancouver Sun columnist
July 5, 2009


Stephen Harper first blazed his political career under the theme “The West Wants In” — the slogan that propelled the Reform Party to the national stage and eventually led to westerners swallowing up the Progressive Conservative Party.

Which is why it’s puzzling Harper’s government has become so tone-deaf regarding the most important event to come to Vancouver in a quarter-century: the 2010 Winter Olympics.

The public investment in this sporting extravaganza is in the billions. Yet with the Games now only months away, the federal government seems to be unwilling to spend the few millions of dollars necessary to fully exploit an event that could be as significant to building the Vancouver and B.C. economies as Expo 86 was a generation ago.

In the last few days, we’ve heard lots of evidence that Vancouver’s agenda vis-a-vis marketing the Olympics isn’t quite hitting the prime ministerial radar. A few days ago, The Vancouver Sun reported Ottawa pulled $1.5 million necessary to bring the Forbes CEO Forum — and hundreds of the world’s top CEOs and investors — to the province just days before the Olympics begin. That decision has been widely regarded as a big loss, since a fundamental reason for holding the Games is to showcase Vancouver — and Canada — to outsider investors.

Equally egregious is Ottawa’s foot-dragging on building a Canada pavilion during the Olympics.

An event like this is about branding your country — ask Australia, which is beating Canada in this area hands down. Choosing not to have a showcase for the country is ridiculous. If you suggested it in Marketing 101, your professor would give you a D.

So why is Harper penny-pinching Vancouver’s moment?

It’s easy to put it down to the financial crisis. Ottawa’s revenues are obviously in the tank and there’s an order to cut deeply across government.

But in the scope of a multi-billion-dollar Olympic budget, not to mention a vast federal budget, these items being short-changed are rounding errors. Something more complex is behind this.

Federal bureaucrats are worried the prime minister’s belt-tightening orders will mean deep cuts to civil service jobs. So they are taking the knife to discretionary spending. That makes a Canada pavilion or conference easy targets.

But why is Harper, whose battles with his bureaucracy are well known, letting it happen? After all, this is the prime minister legendary for being micro-managing. He’s got to know blowing the branding possibilities of the Olympics is a mistake. Such details don’t escape his gaze, right?

Well, yes, they can actually. These cuts to the Olympic marketing budget are hardly the sort of things that make it to a PM’s desk. They are handled by senior bureaucrats, sometimes in the region, often by senior mandarins in far-off Ottawa.

Which brings us to the real reason why the guy who was always so attuned to the West, and the tendency of Ottawa to forget about it, is letting us down. The prime minister, necessarily focused on vote-rich Quebec and Ontario to retain power, has lost some key figures who helped him keep a finger on Vancouver's political pulse.

Not long ago, he had John Reynolds and David Emerson in his cabinet, two men who understand the private sector, had an instinctive grasp of what makes Vancouver and B.C. tick and weren’t afraid to call Harper — or senior bureaucrats — on an error.

Would a conference of global business titans or a national pavilion get cancelled on their watch? I doubt it. The prime minister needs a B.C. lieutenant with a similar, West Coast sensibility.

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$1.5-million is peanuts when you compare it to the overall cost!!! This is retarded, not having the Forbes CEO forum in this city because of that blows my mind away.

WE NEED IGGY NOW!
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No doubt. That is absolutely ridiculous. That event would likely be a huge boon for Vancouver. We need EXACTLY events like this to boost investment in a non-resource-based economy in this damn province. People here are so obsessed with keeping volatile non-value-added logging, mining, and fishing jobs here. Pretty soon we're going to be the Newfoundland of the west coast.

This government (not just this party, the beaurocrats are morons as well - it has been like this for as long as I can remember) is absolutely ridiculous when it comes to investment strategy. The country's innovation strategy is a joke, and this just proves that their heads are up their asses when it comes to anything remotely beneficial to boosting and diversifying our economy into the 21st century.
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Another major Ottawa blunder on the Olympics
Prime Minister cheaps out on major conference, extra train service, and Canada pavilion


By Miro Cernetig, Vancouver Sun columnist
July 2, 2009

Hello, Stephen Harper, are you out there? Do you know your government may be blowing a big part of our Olympic opportunity to market this city, province and Canada to the world?

An international conference, the Forbes CEO Forum, which would have brought the world’s top CEOs and some of its wealthiest investors to the West Coast just days before the 2010 Winter Games opening, has been scuttled by your bureaucrats to save $1 million US.

On another matter, Mr. Prime Minister, your officials at the Canada Border Services Agency won’t permanently waive a $1,500 daily border fee to Amtrak, which wants to run a second train — on its own dime — from Portland to Seattle to Vancouver. If we keep that up, it will probably cost Vancouver a vital addition to cross-border passenger-rail service, a train that most experts say would add tens of millions of dollars to the local economy.

More importantly, that train would plug us into one of U.S. President Barack Obama’s fast-train networks, linking major U.S. cities and regional economies. You’ve probably read Richard Florida’s stuff — which the Obama-ites in the White House love — suggesting links between cities will create mega-hubs of economic power that are the future of the continental economy. In the Pacific Northwest, we call it Cascadia. It would be nice to be part of that.

But here’s the latest, troubling news: Your federal servants, searching for savings, still won’t commit to building a Canada pavilion at the Games. They are privately saying they’re considering the idea, which also means something else: After years of planning, they might not build a national pavilion at all.

That would be a major blunder.


The federal government’s grasp of how to leverage the Olympics to market our country leaves something to be desired. Last summer, our prime minister refused to attend the Beijing Summer Olympics, a move that China’s leadership took as a slight and still hasn’t forgiven. Federal officials are still trying to repair the damage from that and to get relations — and, more importantly trade talks — back on track.

In Beijing, Ottawa took a half-hearted approach to creating a Canada pavilion.

It was called B.C.-Canada House, a curtsy to the province because Vancouver was holding the next Olympics.

British Columbia did what it could, with a limited budget.

But let’s face it. The pavilion suffered because of a lack of federal support and the prime minister’s decision to reject a state visit. Attendance was dismal. Buzz about Canada, and the next Olympics in Vancouver, was just about zero.

That was a failing in Beijing. A repetition on our home turf in 2010 would be a huge mistake.

After the sports, the Olympics offer a chance to market and build international trade.

Smart countries have made that business legacy their focus in every Games for decades. So have corporations. And the Vancouver 2010 Olympics will be no exception.

More than a dozen nations are expected to have national pavilions in Vancouver for the Winter Olympics. Russia and Holland have already picked spots.

The United States, Germany, United Kingdom and others are expected to do the same, joining some of our own provinces, all hoping to sell themselves to a massive TV audience, investors and senior government officials.


Shouldn’t the federal government be doing the same? We’ve all paid for the Olympics already, in the billions of dollars. Why rob ourselves of the stage just as the party is about to begin?

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Hello, Stephen Harper, are you out there? Do you know your government may be blowing a big part of our Olympic opportunity to market this city, province and Canada to the world?

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Ottawa scuttles a golden opportunity to market Canada



By Miro Cernetig, Vancouver Sun
July 2, 2009

Forget, for a moment, the sports, the gold medals, the billions of TV eyeballs on Vancouver in 2010.

The real business plan underpinning the 2010 Winter Olympics is something else: Bring in the world's business elite, let them party at the biggest winter sports show on the planet, and between the events and banquets try to convince those CEOs and billionaires to invest some of their money here.

It's a tried-and-true strategy to parlay our multibillion-dollar Olympic investment into more than just a two-week event. It was why Expo 86, which made business its main focus, was a success and transformed Vancouver for years afterward.

Provincial officials -- who have about $1 million in VIP tickets to dispense -- are now following that model, quietly trying to attract those key investors, to ensure the legacy of the Olympics is more than just medals and memories.

But the federal government has undermined that vital strategy.

For reasons it has not officially explained, Ottawa quietly scuttled an international conference of global business leaders that was to be held just days before the kickoff to the 2010 Olympics, setting back our chances of leveraging international interest and investment in Vancouver, British Columbia and Canada. The department of foreign affairs and international trade pulled its $1 million US sponsorship of the Forbes CEO Forum, scheduled for February 2010 in Victoria.

It's a move that has mystified provincial officials, who were shocked by the federal government's sudden pullout and were offered no chance for the province to step in.

The Forbes CEO Forums attract hundreds of the world's top business leaders, who would have flown into the provincial capital before the Games. The expectation among provincial officials was that many of those CEOs would have stayed longer for the Olympics, increasing the number of business meetings and the face-time, possibly generating business deals.

There has been no official explanation or announcement from Ottawa on the logic behind the sudden reversal.

But many federal officials were as surprised as their provincial counterparts by the cancellation.

The suspicion was that the prime minister's office did not want to be seen sponsoring an elite event in tough economic times, federal and provincial officials said.

But it's generally viewed as a mistake by all. Throwing money into conferences might not be good optics as deficits soar. But the Forbes CEO Forum -- held just as the Olympics were beginning -- presented an economical way to market Vancouver, B.C. and Canada to the world's business elite.

Don't take my word for it. Listen to the feds themselves.

"The Forbes CEO Forum is the institution's flagship event, attracting some of the most elite decision makers and influencers from around the world," the government wrote in its tender for the conference.

"This forum typically attracts between 150 to 200 CEOs from Forbes' exclusive pre-qualified executives that represent some of the largest global growth companies in the world with over $100M in annual sales and a high propensity to invest."

A few months ago federal officials were even touting the forum as a bargain and, in conjunction with the Olympics, a unique opportunity to build Canada's brand.

"Canada needs to be present in the minds of investors and as a host partner for the Forbes CEO Conference, the location and timing of this event provides [the department of foreign affairs and international trade] with a unique and cost-effective opportunity to showcase, for an international group of business leaders, the Canadian brand as a competitive location and partner of choice for business and investment."

It's probably too late for Prime Minister Stephen Harper to reverse this short-sighted decision. The world's movers and shakers fill up their schedules quickly and a conference like this takes up to a year to plan.

He -- or at least somebody in the federal bureaucracy -- let us all down on this one.

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Miro's articles are just... bleh.
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and you all love the gordo/Stevies incompetence... remember it was Gordo who said he loved Harper. Harper said the same....

and if u think Iggy is going to be better, he an incompetent idiot.... rather have gordo as PM than Iggy.....

getting back to point.... the olympics have been distroyed and pple like furlong et al are just laughing to the bank.... they have made their money and they are going to run.... this is another example of how they simply dont care about BC... Just watch the dust settle with the spending and then you will see the damage the Harper and the Gordos have caused....
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and you all love the gordo/Stevies incompetence... remember it was Gordo who said he loved Harper. Harper said the same....

and if u think Iggy is going to be better, he an incompetent idiot.... rather have gordo as PM than Iggy.....
Here we go again with you...

And why exactly would you want Campbell to say something bad about Harper? You want his federal government to leave us out of the loop? Certainly, having good relations isn't about giving the middle finger to the other guy. Campbell had good relations with the Paul Martin government as well - surely, you must remember the billions and billions Martin doled out for B.C. during his short tenure as Prime Minister.

Not sure why you think Ignatieff is an idiot, but I don't care as this is the "Countdown to 2010" topic.



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getting back to point.... the olympics have been botched and pple like furlong et al are just laughing to the bank.... they have made their money and they are going to run.... this is another example of how they simply dont care about BC
How exactly have they been botched? Compared to Beijing, Torino, Athens, and Salt Lake, the Vancouver Games organizing committee and the whole 7-year organizing process has been relatively problem free.

Keep holding onto that ignorance, ravman.
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how about we talk come Feb 2011 or feb 2012 ( when this thread is changed to the coundown from the winter games).... the true picture will be visible then.... but mark my words... the economic picture aint going to be as rosy as they have painted....
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how about we talk come Feb 2011 or feb 2012 ( when this thread is changed to the coundown from the winter games).... the true picture will be visible then.... but mark my words... the economic picture aint going to be as rosy as they have painted....
Mmm unionspeak. Long term >>>>>> short term. Short term is what screwed the US economy. Do you want more of that? How about we talk around 2020?
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