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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 2:11 AM
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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cyclist+injured+after+collision+with+taxi/1718863/story.html

Do cyclists really run red lights that often? Between this and the other posts about a crackdown...
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 3:03 AM
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Everything.
Ok, I guess you'll point me where to buy a flying car or truck which doesn't require a roadway and stores that don't require deliveries? How about a teleporter as well?

Nothing has changed in regards to road requirements. Whether it is a horse drawn cart or a Ferrari, they both require a road of some form.
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Ok, I guess you'll point me where to buy a flying car or truck which doesn't require a roadway and stores that don't require deliveries? How about a teleporter as well?

Nothing has changed in regards to road requirements. Whether it is a horse drawn cart or a Ferrari, they both require a road of some form.
You know none of this has anything to do with my point. The point was that change happens. You or I have no idea what the future is going to be like.

You assumption that roads are required for deliveries is not necessarily true. I'm not saying that the following is a good idea or not but check it out for yourself:
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/02/a-world-without.html
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 7:35 PM
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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cyclist+injured+after+collision+with+taxi/1718863/story.html

Do cyclists really run red lights that often? Between this and the other posts about a crackdown...
Do they?! Do they not signal that often, do they ride down the wrong side of the road that often? Do they act like a pedestrian one second and a vehicle the next that often? Do they ride in the dark without a light that often?

YES. Cyclists are the worst vehicle operators you will find in the city. The woman in the article took a stupid chance and paid the ultimate price.

I also can't believe those here arguing against having to wear a helmet cause it spoils their "do". How asinine.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 9:23 PM
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The sidestreets/alleys are necessary for deliveries and garbage collection among other things. A lot of parkades enter/exit in the alley. You can reduce vehicular traffic but you'll never completely eliminate it.
You could make every street a pedestrian and cycling street during the day make delivery vehicles go at night. Win-win situation
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it could work the opposite way - more people like to go out for an evening stroll
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 10:12 PM
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You could make every street a pedestrian and cycling street during the day make delivery vehicles go at night. Win-win situation
What they do in many European cities is use automated bollards to limit access streets during certain times of day. This allows access for residents and delivery vehicles while keeping out rat running commuters.
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^For a long time I've been wondering why we don't make use of those automated bollards here. They were all over the place in Europe when I was last there and they seemed like a great idea as they allow for more flexibility of public space, which is never a bad thing in my mind. I was kind of hoping they'd install them on Granville Street during the current renewal project.
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that trail is having a big opening this weekend - with a big celebration at the new overpass near the burnaby lake/sperling station

I can't find any official site but there is a big ad in the vancouver sun

so no complaints about nothing to do in this city
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2009, 6:28 AM
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that trail is having a big opening this weekend - with a big celebration at the new overpass near the burnaby lake/sperling station

I can't find any official site but there is a big ad in the vancouver sun

so no complaints about nothing to do in this city
I'm sure quite a few people in here have seen this since they subscribe to the same RSS feeds but I thought I'd post this here.

Come out from noon to 3 p.m. for a family-friendly celebration at the Winston Overpass, near Sperling-Burnaby Lake SkyTrain station.

Festivities will feature ribbon cutting, a children’s booth, free BBQ, a unicyclist, dance performances and lots of interactive booths!

Cycle, walk, or take transit to the event: hop the Millennium Line to Sperling Station, and walk over the Winston Overpass to the celebration.

And come early and do a Greenway bike tour with the VACC, or a walking tour with Vancouver Parks and Recreation. (Bike tours are at 9:30 a.m. and 10:30 a.m., and walking tours are at 10:30 a.m. — check the TransLink website for where to meet.)

If you haven’t heard already, the Greenway is a new 24-kilometre cycling and walking path through Vancouver, Burnaby, and New Westminster. Check out the Buzzer’s virtual tour of the greenway for more!

Also, check out our new PDF map of the entire route. Grab the map here (5.4 MB)! (Quick disclaimer: this isn’t the exact final version yet, but the map part should be accurate. An optimized printable version will get onto the TransLink website too.)

As well, I just want to mention that we’ve been hearing a lot from you about signage on the path, and we are working with the Cities to get the signage up consistently along the route. We’ll make sure your comments are forwarded to them so they can check them against their design. And we are anticipating that the signs should go up pretty quickly, and definitely in time for next Saturday!
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that trail is having a big opening this weekend - with a big celebration at the new overpass near the burnaby lake/sperling station

I can't find any official site but there is a big ad in the vancouver sun

so no complaints about nothing to do in this city
http://www.translink.ca/Home/Cycling/Central%20Valley%20Greenway.aspx#linkbelow

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Central Valley Greenway Opening Celebrations
Join us for a family-friendly celebration from noon to 3 p.m. at the Winston Overpass near the Sperling-Burnaby Lake SkyTrain station. Festivities will feature ribbon cutting, a children’s booth, free BBQ, a unicyclist, dance performances and lots of interactive booths!

Bike Tours
The family-friendly, 8-km guided bicycle tour to Winston Overpass begins at Trout Lake. Look for the VACC departure station on the northeast side of John Hendry Park. The tour departs at 10:30 a.m.

Novice riders can start in New Westminster. The VACC departure station will be at Hyack Square on Columbia Street, just west of Begbie, near the New Westminster Quay. This journey offers 13-km of historic city and nature views all the way to the Winston Overpass. The tour, which departs at 9:30 a.m., will share historic information about New Westminster, which is celebrating its 150th birthday.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2009, 6:51 AM
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So I checked out the Central Valley Greenway today, riding from Lakewood bikeroute to the New West Quay and back.

Events:

I don't think I've ever seen so many people on bikes at any one time (in this country, at least), the route was packed; nice to see how many people showed up to check it out. I didn't stop very long for the celebration at Sperling, there were quite a few people though. There were the usual politician speeches, andthe free barbeque had a huge line, so I didn't bother getting anything, but I did stop at the VACC tent and pick up a nice fold up map of all City of Vancouver bike routes, characterized by type (thanks Richard and company!). I know all of the routes I frequently use pretty well, but it could come in handy when I'm going somewhere I haven't been before. There's also a larger CVG map that has some blurbs about various bits along the route, and it shows some of the intersecting bike routes.

The Route:

I remember when I first rode the would-be CVG several years ago, with some organized event that started at Trout Lake and ended at Hume Park. At the time, the route was crap (to put it politely), and you had to dismount to make it through huge patches of mud, and climb up a sandbank. What we have now is an infinite improvement on that, and is now one of the better cycle routes. However, there are certain things that I would like to highlight.

- The Broadway and Victoria crossing is a bit weird. Going Westbound, you've got the bikebox, so it's fairly obvious you cross Broadway first. Going Eastbound, I'm still not quite sure what route you're "supposed" to take, there is a thick dashed line crossing Broadway just West of Victoria, but I've never seen anyone use it.

- I haven't done the Clark-Science World part yet, but it does seem a bit weird that the intersection at Clark and Great Northern Way encourages you to go to the south side of GNW, when you'll just need to cross over again. Although, both sides of the road seem to have bike paths. This little area has a hell of a lot of bike routes within a couple blocks, so it's a bit easy to follow the wrong one if you're not paying attention.

- It would be nice if the Clark to Slocan section had a seperate bike route, if only for consistency with the part East of Slocan (Slocan to Victoria is 80% there already). If you're coming in from the East of Slocan, where you have a ped/cycle shared trail, it's not immediately obvious if you're supposed to use the wide sidewalk or use the road.

- Slocan to Gilmore is basically a paved path under the SkyTrain guideway. Overall, it's pretty solid, though it could use some more landscaping (which I assume it still in the works, it's already progressed from last time I did the trail a few weeks ago). It would be nice if they planted ivy along the fence separating it from the railway; it would make for a more pleasant ride, and the ivy would block some of the thorny bushes on the railway ROW from poking through the fence to scratch your legs. In the Burnaby (Boundary-Gilmore section), they've elected to go with brickwok between the paths on either side of the guideway, rather than vegetation like the Vancouver side. Not really sure what prompted the switch, but the caution signs should hopefully prevent anyone from using it and ploughing into the guideway. The Burnaby section also isn't entirely clear on how the trail is supposed to be divided up. The path on the North side of the guideway is significantly wider than the path on the South side of the guideway, so people going Eastbound seem to sometimes go on the right side of the Northern path, and sometimes on the Southern path.

- Better sigage is needed once you arrive at Gilmore, to tell you to turn right. Also, the crossing at the railway tracks here seems to be needlessly annoying, I have no idea why those metal bars are there.

- The tight turn just east of Gilmore onto that tiny steep bridge is an accident just waiting to happen. Theres a bunch of preloading on the site for what I would assume is a proper, full width bridge with good sightlines, hopefuly that gets built eventually, but the preload has been there for years.

- The trail narrows a bit too much as it passes under Willingdon. I dont know what they didnt simply start the Willingdon lane taper later, to allow a wider bikepath as it goes under the Willingdon flyover. It's a bit close for comfort to have people going two ways on here at the same time, if they're travelling fast.

- The section along Still Creek Ave (just past the Costco, IIRC) is pretty annoying. There's a zillion driveways, most of which are for big vehicles, so it's easy to get stopped for a while. Also, some of these vehicles seem to like parking in the bike lane. The CVG map that was handed out says the Gilmore-Douglas section is an intrim route; not sure where the permanent route is though, or when it will be complete.

- Douglas and Still Creek intersection could use a light signal button on the NorthEast corner.

- Douglas to Sperling is a pretty decent gravel trail throug parkland. Personally, I prefer pavement, but it's not the end of the world. Lots of lights around here too.

- Sperling has the bridge, which I hate to say, seems somewhat pointless for people heading East, since you need to cross over Winston again about a block later. Nice Bridge though. They should make it clearer to go over the bridge, it seems like it could be pretty easy to go the wrong way on the South Side of the bridge, and end up South of Burnaby Lake.

- Winston is your standard bike shoulder. Nothing really wrong with it, but kinda bland. Although it's not as nice as biking through the park, I'm glad they went with it. A trail through the park would really only be useful to recreational users, hopefully having it along Winston will pick up a few commuter users.

- Right where Winston turns into Government, there's some clearing and grubbing going on, presumably for an off street path. It does look like it will be kinda narrow though, and could use an extra metre width.

- The map says the turnoff from Cariboo, that goes past the trailer park (you just follow an unmarked quiet road for this part) is a temporary route. Not sure when/where a permanent route will be made.

- The entrance and exit to that park that follows the Brunette river leaves much to be desired. You have to slow right down to pass them. Some posts would be nice.

- The bit along North Road from the park exit until you get the light to go to Hume Park sucks. Super narrow sidewalk, and not even any Sharrows along the road. I hope there's a long term plan for this part.

- Not sure what's going on with the detour from Columbia for one block (from Cumberland to Debeck). Hopefully this isn't permanent. Either way, on the way back, I just used the sidewalk for one block.

- The paved path along Columbia from Cumberland to about Elliot is pretty nice, although I'm not sure why they elevated it significantly above the road along part of the area where they re-aligned the road when they did the SkyTrain tunnel. The path is also quite wide here, it could afford to lose a 1/2 metre to vegetation on the side closest to the road. Other parts of the path, more to the North, could use an extra 1/2 metre.

- The on street bike lanes from Elliot to New West Station are actually really nice, and the large amount of stall parking to the right (rather than parallel) mean you dont have idiot drivers that don't check their mirrors before they open their door right into the bike lane path.

Overall, it's a great ride, but there is still room for improvement.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2009, 6:24 PM
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I went through part of the route the other day to get to downtown and loved the portion in Vancouver. Especially glad the portion between Victoria and Clark had it's own bike lane in addition to the sidewalk. Previously, it was like should I use the sidewalk (which wasn't paved) or the narrow road? Not anymore...

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- The Broadway and Victoria crossing is a bit weird. Going Westbound, you've got the bikebox, so it's fairly obvious you cross Broadway first. Going Eastbound, I'm still not quite sure what route you're "supposed" to take, there is a thick dashed line crossing Broadway just West of Victoria, but I've never seen anyone use it.
If I had it my way, I would have a separate pedestrians/cyclists signal so cyclists can just cross diagonally... But that might not be the best solution for that intersection. For cyclists going Eastbound, they should use that crossing West of Victoria... after crossing Broadway, you have your own bike lane, which then allows you to turn onto the greenway again. There should more more signs in that area. Maybe two information stands across from each other on the greenway would help.

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- I haven't done the Clark-Science World part yet, but it does seem a bit weird that the intersection at Clark and Great Northern Way encourages you to go to the south side of GNW, when you'll just need to cross over again. Although, both sides of the road seem to have bike paths. This little area has a hell of a lot of bike routes within a couple blocks, so it's a bit easy to follow the wrong one if you're not paying attention.
That was the only downside. It's really steep so it's really fun to drive down, however, there are so many driveways on the south side of 2nd Avenue, so you really can't go so fast just in case there's some idiot driver who doesn't decide to stop before the sidewalk.

I can tell you after the GNW, you go on 1st avenue which gives you dedicated bike lanes for a small portion, and then you continue on the shared roadway. I wish they would really just continue the bike lanes for that small bit, but I understand there's construction at the Olympic Village. Whatever... it's much better than before already.

Can't wait 'till the BC Parkway begins construction =D
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 3:35 AM
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Here's a question for you guys that I don't know where else to put: Where in the GVRD does one get a decent/reasonably priced city bike? I was going to bring one back from China or Japan last time I was over but I never had the time to do so. The only ones I've seen seem to be targeted to commuters priced at 1k+ when all I need is a bike for short distances. The only bike I could find at all for less than 200 are cheap mountain bikes. Well, is there a listing of bike stores in general? Sorry if this is in the wrong place.
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Get a cruiser, you can find one for a reasonable price and they're great around the city, extremely easy to ride, and it's the only bicycle where you look good riding in it no matter if you're in beach gear, casual clothing, or full out business suit. I don't know what's everyone's obsession with mountain/commuter/hybrid/touring bicycles. Sears and Canadian Tire has one around the $250 range... I know it's probably made in China stuff but if you're not a hardcore cyclist it's hard to justify paying $600+ for a bicycle.
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Canadian Tire has some hybrid/road bikes that don't look too bad for about $200-$250. You might want to try our community bikes on Main and 17th for used bikes. I've seen decent deals at yard sales, randomly. I bought a pretty good bike at something like a yard sale that needed only a few repairs last weekend

There are a few stolen/used bike stores, but the bikes are usually at least 20 years old, need some repairs, and cost more than $200.

just saw your post dkaz. I can't stand the spandex crowd either, but I have an expensive bike. I don't need it, but I figured I'd make good use of the scrap-it program. I had a really crappy bike that I used more often because I didn't care if it got stolen. It was eventually stolen last year and I'd been looking for a replacement crap bike ever since.

There are a lot of shops on Broadway by MEC. Sports Junkies has a few cruisers starting at $300 (more for more gears and accessories). MEC is also planning on coming out with some bikes next year.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 5:25 AM
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Hmm maybe I should have been more detailed. Is there any way of getting a bike like the one on here: http://detail.china.alibaba.com/buyer/offerdetail/216198913.html A city bike with road tires, front/rear mud guards, basket, rear stowage rack at all in Vancouver? I have hit a few of the bike shops in broadway and I can't even find something configured like this. The worst part is how expensive the bikes at these shops are, since as you can see they are sold in China for only 115RMB(~$30!) each. Like, I want to be able to make quick shopping runs with it and stuff. To be honest if they sold these in Vancovuer at a decent price then people would adopt bicycles a lot more. But yeah, a bit demanding I know but I've spent hours scouring for something like this and come up empty, so I'll defer to the resident cyclists here >.<"
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Those look practical. I don't understand why the only bikes sold in the 90s were goofy things that look like mountain bikes.
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Here is an update from the City of Burnaby regarding the CVG.

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We have prepared a signage plan for the Burnaby portion of the Central Valley Greenway with about 105 green and white guide signs, white and black regulatory signs and orange construction signs, plus over head street signs at every controlled intersection and about 100 yellow way finding signs. The overhead intersection signs have all been installed. Most of the white and black and the orange signs were installed at the end of last week and will be adjusted this week. Most of the yellow way finding signs have now been installed and can be used to help navigate the CVG. Many of the green and white signs at the western end of the CVG have been installed.

Most of the green and white signs east of Douglas Road to North Road were not be installed in time for the greenway opening on Saturday. We are producing some temporary signs for the most confusing areas such as Sill Creek & Douglas Road and North Road. The remainder of the signage will be installed over the summer as construction of the greenway is completed and our crews can get access to areas that are currently under construction.

When complete this will be the most comprehensively signed route in Burnaby.

Construction:

As the summer progresses the Central valley Greenway will become even more user friendly. Here are some of the items that will be changed from east to west:
North Road: the Metro Vancouver Gate will be replaced with a gate and bollard combination by October 2009 to facilitate easy passage;
Cariboo Place: the Metro Vancouver Gate will be replaced with a gate and bollard combination by October 2009 to facilitate easy passage;
Cariboo Road: a 4.0 meter wide asphalt path with lighting and a planted boulevard is under construction to the BNSF/CN railway line at Government which will be completed by October 2009;
BNSF/CN Railway Crossing: CN will be rebuilding the crossing with concrete panels. We don't have a timeline from them, but hope that they will be able to complete this by the end of the year;
Government Road (Brighton to East Lake): a 3.0 meter wide asphalt path with lighting and a guard rail is under construction in each direction from Cariboo Road. At East Lake a new pedestrian activated signal is being installed and over Silver Creek a new bridge is being installed. Completion: October 2009. BC Hydro pole relocations may take longer;
Greenwood and Winston where the bike lanes transition on and off the trail, new curb bulges will be built this summer to narrow the crossing. Completion October 2009;
Douglas Road and Still Creek Avenue through the City Transfer Station have temporary bike lanes that will be replaced by a new trail on the north side of Still Creek Avenue and on the east side of Douglas Road. Construction will start this fall and be completed by 2011;
At Sill Creek Avenue and Still Creek Drive the sidewalk has subsided around the base of the light standard and will be rebuilt by the developer by the end of July 2009;
At Still Creek (the actual creek) where cyclists and pedestrians are temporarily using the exiting steep bridge, a new bridge will be constructed this summer on the preload to the north. Completion: October 2009;
Seating and street trees will also be added between the new Still Creek bridge and Home Depot on Gilmore Avenue. Completion: October 2009.
At either end of the pedestrian route through Burnaby Lake Park we will also replace the Metro Vancouver Gates with a gate and bollard combination by October 2009.

We would have preferred to open the Central Valley Greenway when all of these items where completed, but for most cyclists there are no alternatives for much of this route and we thought it best to allow people to have access as soon as possible. We apologise for any inconvenience while we finish the CVG over the summer and improve the CVG over the coming years.

Replying to the VACC List Serve keeps crashing my system so please feel free to forward this.

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Was reading the Buzzer Blog and came across Steve Chou's Central Valley Greenway Opening set of photos on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stchou/sets/72157620514340327/
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