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Old Posted Jun 16, 2009, 3:12 PM
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2009, 11:52 PM
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Want an alternative to Translink? Why not charter your own bus?

That's what South Surrey resident Debby Gill – a regular commuter on the current 351 service to Vancouver – is pondering.

In light of the impending cancellation of the one-seat ride to Vancouver in favour of a bus connecting with SkyTrain's Canada Line in Richmond, she wonders whether there are others in the community who would be willing to club together and charter a bus on a regular basis.

And she's trying to arrange for Sheldon Eggen, president and CEO of Charter Bus Lines of B.C., to come to the Peninsula with one of his buses to explain to the public what his service can offer commuters.

"Since (Translink) is not going to listen to the customers, I thought maybe we could charter a bus and have a more decent service to get to work," Gill said.

She added she organized an online petition to oppose the removal of the current 351, 352 and 354 bus routes before Translink announced last month that it would not be pursuing any other service options for the Peninsula.

In only four days, and with very little fanfare, she gathered hundreds of names, she said.

Gill said she has only been riding the bus for a year, but her decision to sell her car and take a more green route to Vancouver was predicated on the fact the 351 stopped in front of her home and in front of her office at Dunsmuir and Burrard in Vancouver.

"There's a lot of negative feedback about Translink's changes of route," she said.

"Translink says it's something they are doing because of their current financial situation; that there is only a 24 per cent return on outlay for the 351 route, while other routes return 59 per cent.

"But that bus is jam-packed in the morning and in the evening, constantly."

Eggen, whose company runs regular Vancouver airport and tourist bus services, says he also has questions about how Translink compiles ridership statistics and the decision to scrap any vestige of the 351, 352 and 354 routes.

"Looking at this as an outsider, it seems to have nothing to do with the environment and nothing to do with the economy," he said.

"It has everything to do with some other agenda that's going on."

Eggen said current licensing rules prevent independent bus lines from operating in direct competition with Translink by charging independent fares, but that wouldn't stop a group of commuters hiring a bus to take them to and from Vancouver every day.

He also wonders why, unlike major cities like L.A, and New York, private charter bus companies couldn't be used to augment the existing transit system, just as his company used to run a commuter service from Tsawwassen to Vancouver 30 years ago.

"I have buses going from Delta into Vancouver to pick up tourists every single day, empty. I don't know why I couldn't take some people downtown. There's something like 30 independent bus companies in the Vancouver area – most not as big as our company – who could do some portion of a service like this."

But charter buses are expensive, and Eggen says frankly that he's not pretending that an independent line such as his can compete with Translink on a cost-per-ride basis, particularly for lower income commuters.

"Translink is very heavily subsidized. We pay fuel taxes just like everybody else, which means we're also subsidizing Translink."

But Eggen said his line can provide an entirely different and more luxurious level of service, ranging from fairly basic charter buses all the way up to deluxe coaches with leg room, reclining seats and full internet facilities.

"It would be like travelling business class to Vancouver," Eggen said.

Even so, based on a full bus in a worst-case, peak-season scenario, he said, the cost per individual commuter would be $15. In everyday operation, he said, that could probably be brought down to $10-12 per rider, he added.

If that seems steep, Eggen said, it compares favourably for what a business commuter in a private car would pay per month in fuel and parking fees.

"This might be something that would make a guy think twice about driving his BMW to work and paying $300 a month for a parking space."

Eggen agreed that a private bus service could not make as many stops in as many locations as public transit. But advantages would be a coach service that would wait a few minutes for subscribers, and on which to would be possible to reserve a seat – or two seats, for even less crowding – and get to Vancouver much faster than in a car or regular buses.

Eggen said that he can't initiate a service, and that it would need someone in the community to champion it and help organize it. But he would be very willing to work with Peninsula commuters to make it viable, he said.

"We could even give them smaller buses at first to reach the price point they need," he said.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/peacearchnews/news/48190722.html
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2009, 11:56 PM
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I've recently had that thought that TransLink... in wanting to make the "Way Out" message stand out without using bold font, might have decided to choose a different background for the words instead. But that's just speculation.
     
     
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Cool idea. I remember a Microsoft employee who used to ride a company bus to work, from Langley to Redmond. They would have internet connectivity on the way and be on the clock. The ride back was off the clock and dropped them off at home.

Of course, that was a company bus.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2009, 1:23 AM
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Why not have Translink and private buses share routes/profits? I was in Belgrade last year, and the private buses cost the same yet were way newer and had better seats/ride. There were also premium buses, which offered full A/C and some other things (TV?)...but cost more (and were way smaller/sitting room only).
If people had a guaranteed seat, they would pay more, and would seriously consider not using their cars.
     
     
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remember when there was that transit strike and someone in white rock chartered a bus and the transit drivers picketed it and freaked out and how dare they blah blah blah mess?

that's probably why
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yup - how dare they try to take away their 50K salary, 6 weeks of vacation, 30 days of sick leave and the the god given right to bankrupt the system
     
     
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That was actually the reason why Belgrade went with a public/private bus system...there were very long and frequent strikes when it was a government monopoly only.
     
     
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Well there haven't been any recent strikes luckily... let's cross our fingers on that one. I really think we should have different Bus Companies in Vancouver that work under contract by TransLink... sort of like the West Vancouver Blue Bus company, but where the private company share the profit with TransLink. Anyone up for Canada Line P3s for buses? =P

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I've recently had that thought that TransLink... in wanting to make the "Way Out" message stand out without using bold font, might have decided to choose a different background for the words instead. But that's just speculation.
InTransitBC is in charge of the signage for the Canada Line, as confirmed by Jennifer from TransLink.

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Old Posted Jun 17, 2009, 9:13 AM
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yup - how dare they try to take away their 50K salary, 6 weeks of vacation, 30 days of sick leave and the the god given right to bankrupt the system
50k salaray, lol. Dude come to times now, my dad is a transit driver since 91 and he easily makes over 80k and he knows ppl that pull 110k. Overtime creates bliss. Besides, he always said that it a $9/hr job but the other $18/hr was to deal with the bull from the passengers. I remember times from when I was young and I rode the bus with him on weekends and the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 plus racism he had to deal with kinda surprised me. Don't take any job for granted, cause we might just think they are sitting on their asses and driving and making good money, but they are also making sure that they get us from point a to b safely, while some stupid person 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 about the fares and why they shouldn't pay it whilst some crazy driver cuts the bus off and doesn't yield. A little respect can go a long way.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2009, 2:48 AM
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This argument was probably fairly prevalent when the Expo line opened & people adjusted. a certain number of the suburban buses dead head back during rush hour that can't help Tarnslink's fairbox recovery rate either.
     
     
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50k salaray, lol. Dude come to times now, my dad is a transit driver since 91 and he easily makes over 80k and he knows ppl that pull 110k. Overtime creates bliss. Besides, he always said that it a $9/hr job but the other $18/hr was to deal with the bull from the passengers. I remember times from when I was young and I rode the bus with him on weekends and the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 plus racism he had to deal with kinda surprised me. Don't take any job for granted, cause we might just think they are sitting on their asses and driving and making good money, but they are also making sure that they get us from point a to b safely, while some stupid person 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 about the fares and why they shouldn't pay it whilst some crazy driver cuts the bus off and doesn't yield. A little respect can go a long way.
The starting salary is not a problem. Its a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 job and should be payed well. The problem is (like with nursing, bc ferries, and other government/crown corp unionized jobs) the shift trading and use of sick days to generate double or triple overtime. Cut the sick days to a reasonable level and ban the shift trading induced OT and the system would be much more affordable and fare.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2009, 8:18 PM
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It is obviously more convieniant to have the bus go directly into downtown but the 10 minute peak service connecting to Canada Line is far better than the current 15 min service.

Both Richmond & Surrey will aslo see much improved bus service come this fall.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2009, 12:11 AM
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Both Richmond & Surrey will aslo see much improved bus service come this fall.
This is a summary of what I've found form the new schedule:

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route	first	mor	mid	aft	night	last
003	4:51a	6	7	7	15	2:37a
010	4:28a	7	10	7	20	2:02a
015	4:45a	10	12	10	15	2:14a
017	4:54a	10	12	8	20	2:14a
033	6:00a	12	15	12	30	11:42p
041	4:26a	5	7.5	6.5	15	2:48a
043	6:10a	6.5	-	10	-	7:52p
100	5:04a	10	12	12	30	1:44a
301	4:35a	20	30	20	-	10:35p
311	4:45a	12	-	15	-	7:40p	(16 AM, 17 PM trips)
351	4:08a	10	30	15	60	2:34a
351A	4:27a	10	15	15	60	2:18a
352	4:37a	12	-	15	-	6:58p	(10 AM, 8 PM trips)
354	5:12a	12	-	15	-	6:57p	(10 AM, 8 PM trips)
401	4:41a	7	15	7	30	2:49a
402	4:40a	10	30	10	30	2:03a
404	4:47a	15	30	15	60	1:38a
405	5:31a	30	30	30	-	8:50p
405B	5:47a	30	30	30	60	12:17a
410	4:39a	8	12	8	30	2:05a
430	5:55a	20	30	20	-	10:28p
480	5:43a	7.5	15	10	-	10:43p
601	4:21a	10	30	15	60	2:41a
601C	6:00a	20	-	30	-	6:54p	(2 AM, 2 PM trips)
602	5:54a	15	-	20	-	6:32p	(8 AM, 11 PM trips)
603	5:32a	20	-	30	-	7:52p	(9 AM, 6 PM trips)
604	6:01a	20	-	30	-	7:24p	(6 AM, 7 PM trips)

A = 351 White Rock Centre / Bridgeport Station
B = 405 Cambie / Brighouse Station
C = 601 Boundary Bay / Bridgeport Station
Some other notes:
  • All 404 trips are now continue to Ladner Exchange
  • Short-turned 351 trips will do a small loop around White Rock Centre
  • No more garage-bound 351 trips (no more empty bus ride for me )
  • All trip to/from Steveston on 602, 603, 604 (ie. garage bound) will be cancelled
  • All 601 Boundary Bay will run to/from Bridgeport instead of Steveston in counter-peak direction
  • No change on 606, 608, 620, 640, C96 (or they haven't update yet)
  • The schedule for the following routes doesn't seems to be completed yet: 403, 407, C90, C92, C94

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Old Posted Jun 19, 2009, 12:37 AM
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Thanks for the Info. For the most part there is a general increase in service, although it surprises me that some of the Richmond routes are still 20+ min headways at peak periods.

The 15 Cambie has had it's headways increased.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2009, 1:55 AM
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Does anyone know what happened to the planned new 481 bus route from Steveston to UBC and the 482? There aren't any mention of it for the past year.
Or even the Richmond area transit plan for that matter?
     
     
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Interesting that the 351 only shuts down for 1hr 34min. I wonder when/if we will have 24hr bus service, or even skytrain for that matter?
     
     
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