Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III

[snfenoc]

You are absuletly right, wburg. The Bel-Vue does have a lot going for it, and I've always thought that it should be remodeled into middle income housing units. Some old buildings have really nice character that can't be duplicated by today's "mid century", hip, swingin' 🞵🞵🞵🞵-🞵🞵🞵, really ugly-looking style. I wonder how this Hilton hotel and garage (if built) will look in 20 years.

To me, this Hilton seems like a pretty ho-hum solution for the 800 block. The hotel itself is OK, but I'm with all of you - I don't like that garage. Not it's positioning, but the fact that it isn't wrapped in housing and retail. I don't mind garages as long as they don't become dead spaces. This has every indication of becoming a dead space. I WANT MORE HOUSING, DAMMIT!!

[Phillip]

Originally Posted by ltsmotorsport

Yeah, the hotel is at 8th and K, the parking garage is at 8th and L. And all I can think about when I look at those renderings is the parking garage at 10th and L that always sits 1/2 empty (at least every time I've looked).

Maybe add a few floors of hotel on top of the 10th & L garage? The views would be fine; overlooking the Capitol and Capitol Park. The vacant retail on L could be hotel lobby. Wouldn't need any new parking built at all.

Here's a Residence Inn that Marriott built on top of an existing downtown parking garage. The pic is from Marriott's website, not me.



http://www.marriott.com/hotels/photo-tours.mi?marshaCode=mspri&pageID=HWHOM&imageID=0f

[wburg]

Interesting idea, except there isn't much vacant retail space at 10th & L, aside from Newsbeat's old location. They would need an elevator, probably attached to the outside rather than drilled through the parking structure, and the maximum height would be driven by the state Capitol View Protection rules...but other than that, yeah, that would be neat.

One thought about hotels: In the past, hotels weren't just for overnight guests: many had permanent residents who liked city conveniences and energy but didn't want the responsibilities and expense of a downtown house. We now associate long-term hotel residents with the SROs, but there were also elegant palace hotels with long-term residents. So building hotels isn't a bad strategy, as it provides the seeds for residential living in the central city. If the hotel doesn't work out so well, go residential or even condo.

[Phillip]

All these hotel proposals are "some day" and "what if" for now, waiting for the market to improve.

I wasn't suggesting a garage-top hotel as solution to vacant storefronts on L Street. There isn't that much vacant, like you say. It was the underutilized parking garage and the Capitol Park views that inspired the idea. Filling ground level retail would be a side benefit. A small hotel like that doesn't need a large lobby. The existing jeweler and clothing store would fit in well with a hotel.

Having a lit up 24 hour presence at street level like a hotel lobby provides would help that 1000 L block, which is a dead zone after 5 or 6 pm now. Another elevator or two would have to be built. I don't know if that's feasible or if that deck can support more floors.

A garage-top hotel would be ugly on the outside and contribute nothing to downtown's skyline, the way the 8th and K highrise design would. But it seems like half the rooms at 8th and K would look directly into Darth Vader across the streeet. A neutral view is okay, but that almost seems like an offensive view to me---a wall of dark glass. Maybe it would turn out different than I'm picturing.

Another spot where I like to imagine a hotel is at 16th and J, on the parking lot across the street from P.F. Chang's. I think of that intersection as the center of Downtown/Midtown, the crossroads.

[bc sacramento]

What was posted by Join Sac on the Meridian II tower is the old design (3-4 years ago). That was designed by H&W out of San Francisco, and the current design is by Lionakis of Sacramento.

[joninsac]

^ Well, that 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 if the M2 renderings are old. It would make sense though since H&W did the original masterplan for the entire Meridian project. I wonder why H&W took so long to post these renderings on their website.

[Skyhook]

Been operating tower cranes long time, Going to Sacramento, hope to see the top of your heads soon...


Skyhook

[innov8]

Originally Posted by Skyhook

Been operating tower cranes long time, Going to Sacramento, hope to see the top of your heads soon...


Skyhook

What kind of work are you coming here for because other than Sutter, no
cranes will be rising in Sac for quite a while.

[Web]

Originally Posted by Skyhook

Been operating tower cranes long time, Going to Sacramento, hope to see the top of your heads soon...


Skyhook

was there a picture deleted here or something????

very true where is there a skycrane?? except maybe in the railyards for the bridges being built but those arent skycranes they are just cranes.....


speaking of Railyards blvd is pretty well graded awaiting utilities and pavin! also it looks like the 2 bridges are going in now at 5th and 6th.....

[innov8]

Here's what site 4 will look like for the East End Gateway.



East End Gateway Site 4

SW corner 16th & P Street
Developer: MNA Management, Inc. / Foothill Partners
Architect: Mogavero Notestine Associates
Unit Count: 40 condominiums and 8 to 12 rental co-op rooms
Projected Sales Prices: $225,750 (525 Sq Ft.) $429,000 (1,100 Sq. Ft.)
Retail Space: 5,560 sq. ft.
Estimated Development Costs: $12,400,000
Projected Construction Period: Late 2011 to Mid 2013
Key Milestones: Developer to provide Financing Plan: August 15, 2009
CADA and Developer enter into Exclusive Negotiating Agreement subject to
CADA Board approval of Financing Plan: September 18, 2009

[SactownTom]

I'm kinda meh on the design. The rounded entry is pretty weak.

[sactown_2007]

Hey guys, check out the cool skyline at the very beginning of this movie trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ke2BNQaj34

Here is another Trailer w/ a different view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wMe9vxkWI

I also saw a different trailer on TV this morning while watching Wimbledon that really had a great view of the skyline but can't find it online.

[sactown_2007]

And I got one more for you guys that I saw the other day on WGN -- check out the night skyline of this city at 13 AND 42 seconds into this new commercial for WGN America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0fkCbX3K6g

[Schmoe]

Hey I recognize that place!

[Surefiresacto]

Originally Posted by innov8

Here's what site 4 will look like for the East End Gateway.

East End Gateway Site 4

SW corner 16th & P Street
Developer: MNA Management, Inc. / Foothill Partners
Architect: Mogavero Notestine Associates
Unit Count: 40 condominiums and 8 to 12 rental co-op rooms
Projected Sales Prices: $225,750 (525 Sq Ft.) $429,000 (1,100 Sq. Ft.)
Retail Space: 5,560 sq. ft.
Estimated Development Costs: $12,400,000
Projected Construction Period: Late 2011 to Mid 2013
Key Milestones: Developer to provide Financing Plan: August 15, 2009
CADA and Developer enter into Exclusive Negotiating Agreement subject to
CADA Board approval of Financing Plan: September 18, 2009

Isn't the SW corner of 16th & P Street Fremont Park?

[Cynikal]

Korea company backs downtown hotel project, developers say


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By Bob Shallit
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Published: Monday, Jul. 6, 2009 - 2:25 pm
Developers of a proposed downtown high-rise hotel say they've nailed down the rarest of commodities: project financing.

South Korea-based Consus Asset Management has pledged to invest more than $91 million to build the 409-room, 25-floor hotel at 8th and K streets and a six-story parking garage at 8th and L, says lead developer Bob Leach.

"Even as bad as things are here, they think (Sacramento) will recover faster than other parts of the country," Leach says of Consus officials, who made the cash commitment after a series of face-to-face meetings in Korea over the past six months.

Leach says he and his partners made contact with Conus through Sacramento hotel-builder Parkcrest Development Corp.

Also on the development team: Moe Mohanna, the Sacramento developer who sold his K street properties to the city last fall for $18.6 million after a lengthy legal battle.

The development group, called USA Hospitality, currently has an exclusive right to negotiate with the city for the planned hotel site. That right expires later this month but Leach is confident it will be converted to a long-term deal once city officials see his financial backing.

"This is the only (proposed downtown) project that has financing tied to it," says Leach, who also developed the swank Le Rivage Hotel on the Sacramento River. "Why not let us run with the ball and score a touchdown for K Street?"

Leslie Fritzsche, the city's downtown development manager, says the development group has made progress. But, she adds, "there are still a number of things outstanding" that need to be resolved.

If all goes well, Leach's team expects to begin construction next summer on a Hilton, Marriott or Starwood hotel. The opening would be in late 2012.

He says the $136 million hotel project will increase the city's ability to host major conventions, spur business at Downtown Plaza and lead to store openings on the long-troubled K Street Mall.

"You get this project built and people will be lining up to put retail on the 700 block" of K, he says.

[wburg]

That's the sound of the other shoe dropping, I guess. Build the hotel at 8th and K, I say, but lose that parking garage, fix up the landmark and get two cool projects for the price of one!

[Majin]

Moe Mohanna













































































































Dead on arrival.

[Cynikal]

I agree Burg. I'm surprised that demo was approved. Well the more I think about it, I'm not surprised. There are far better parking solutions for that block than another garage. If they do approve the garage I hope they, at least, have some ground floor retail or something to engage the pedestrian level.

This could be a good redemption for Moe. I'll wait and see.

[wburg]

The demo hasn't been approved yet--they're just preparing the EIR. I assume that approval for demolition of the landmark would be one of the "number of things outstanding" that Leslie Fritsche mentioned.

What other sorts of parking solutions would you recommend, vs. another garage?