Canada Line | Completed

[deasine]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Agreed, they're slower when crossing big intersections because of the gradient difference but man can those things take-off. The torque on those electric trolleys they have is incredible.

A lot of the times, they slow down because of trolley wire junctions and switches.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Gordon

The service on the Granville trolley route is going to be substantially increased, but those plans are apparently still to be finalized.

First northbound trip at 4:28am from Marine Drive station
Every 7.5min at peak, 10min off peak, 30min late night
Last southbound trip arrive at 2:02am

[Gordon]

Where are the Fall schedules posted?

The Peak service interval improves by 2.5 minutes. That's pretty good.

[van-island]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

The 98 B-Line serves Granville. The Canada Line serves the Cambie Corridor. They're quite far from each other.

A bus down #2 Road in Richmond, continuing down Granville and perhaps across the Burrard Street Bridge (turning left at 16th) would be a good service, connecting Richmond with the Granville corridor and Granville with the Burrard St. corridor.

I can also see an extension of the Canada Line west along Granville (in Richmond) and then following the Railway alignment South to Steveston... but not for a while.

No, the 98 B-Line serves as a link between Richmond and Vancouver, which is the function the Canada Line is going to replace.

[The_Henry_Man]

Originally Posted by mr.x

The writer fails to realize that the Canada Line was meant to replace the 98 B-Line long before the first shovel went into the ground. The B-Line is the precursor to rail transit in this region.

Granted, i do sympathize their situation as it will no doubt take longer. But i have a feeling we'll see the 98 return in the near future...

I think the best solution to all this is to build another park-and-ride parkade (can be around 1/3 smaller than the one at River Rock, perhaps similar size compared to the one at Sexsmith) close to Lansdowne Station, either west of No.3 Rd (possible since some of those older single-story drive-in street stores can be redeveloped in the future) or at Lansdowne Mall property when that redevelops later on. This is a good location because Lansdowne Rd will eventually be extended west towards the oval and River Rd area, and that's where most drivers from West Richmond will go through.

[argon007]

Originally Posted by CLC

Richmond News

i think Canada Line will replace the B-Line 98, but I agree Translink should form a complete set of Canada Line bus integrataion.

the bus integration of canada line plan is not formed very well. they should add the what time should the bus frequency.

and also, the richmond news:

One friend of mine lives in Steveston and works near Broadway and Arbutus. She currently hops on a 496 and is at work in about 40 minutes. Under the new regime, she'll need to catch a 410 to Richmond Centre, transfer to the Canada Line, and then transfer again onto a Broadway bus.

410 - 5 minutes - 10 minutes (see the traffic...)
skytrain - 15 minutes
99 B-Line 6 minutes - 12 minutes

so it needs 26 - 37 minutes?

if there is no skytrain...

she needs to take the express bus... but the express bus is easy to be influenced by traffic... not only 40 minutes... i think 45 minutes... because it takes 1 hour from richmond centre to downtown...because many people wants to take b-line....such as 41st avenue, 70 avenue, and broadway...

[nname]

Originally Posted by argon007

i think Canada Line will replace the B-Line 98, but I agree Translink should form a complete set of Canada Line bus integrataion.

the bus integration of canada line plan is not formed very well. they should add the what time should the bus frequency.

and also, the richmond news:



410 - 5 minutes - 10 minutes (see the traffic...)
skytrain - 15 minutes
99 B-Line 6 minutes - 12 minutes

so it needs 26 - 37 minutes?

if there is no skytrain...

she needs to take the express bus... but the express bus is easy to be influenced by traffic... not only 40 minutes... i think 45 minutes... because it takes 1 hour from richmond centre to downtown...because many people wants to take b-line....such as 41st avenue, 70 avenue, and broadway...

The only trip she can made to Broadway and Arbutus within 40min is the first bus at 5:54am. If she takes the later buses, then the total travel time will be between 60min and 63min (including the time to get from Granville to Arbutus). Now for Canada Line

410 - worst case: 21min
transfer - worst case: 8min
Canada Line - 18min
transfer - worst case: 7min
99 - worst case - 8min

so the worst case is 61min total, which is about the same time as the #496.. but she have to barely miss all the connections to take this long though

[punkster1982]

Why can't they have buses from West Richmond end at one of the YVR stations and go directly into Vancouver from there? There's done of land through there, they could even add shoulder lanes for the buses if they were popular enough

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Crossroads has been built with a future entrance in mind - a space is allocated, but is currently used for retail - but it's a long distance underground from Crossroads to the mezzanine level of the station which is practically under 10th Ave. I doubt funding is going to happen soon - maybe it will be built with the UBC Line.

The only other station I would argue "needs" a second entrance would be Oakridge - just because the Cambie & 41st traffic light (together with Main & Temrinal) is the longest signal in the City - left turn signals in each direction. I think there is provision for a future entrance on the North side of 41st Ave. (not sure about the east side of Cambie).

Apart from those stations, having one entrance keeps people on the streets rather than in underground tunnels, which the City doesn't favour. And as the closure of the Stadum Station entrance aross Beatty St. shows, there are safety issues with poorly used underground connections.

Exactly...multiple entrances are a safety issue at stations that arent heavily used. As far as I know it was even studied to death for the Millennium line, infact the Millennium line took full advantage of crime prevention through design. Im sure that im not the only one that realizes that the Millennium line is superior to the Expo line, and allot safer. I havent seen any numbers but I would assume that crime rates and even more so violent crime rates are going to be shockingly lower than on the Expo line. Having only one entrance at all the stations except Lougheed and Broadway is one of the more important reasons why the stations are safer.

You hit the nail on the head Officedweler and I agree with you that Broadway, 41st and City center are the only stations that can handle and benefit from more than one entrance.


Everyone should also keep in mind that its not impossible to add another entrance if the passenger volume at the station justifies it.

[cornholio]

The B-Line will be scraped. If the Canada line doesnt reach 100,000 riders than Translink will end up covering the shortfall. They will try everything they can to redirect as many north south passengers to the Canada line as they can as its going to be tight getting those 100,000 riders right of the bat.(though I do think they will get that number).
Having a duplicate B-Line would not only cost money to run but cost money to pay to make up the rider shortfall on the Canada line that it would likely cause.

98 b line will be gone...any bus service that can compete with the Canada line for longer distance trips will be scraped or handicapped to push people on to the Canada line.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by cornholio

Exactly...multiple entrances are a safety issue at stations that arent heavily used. As far as I know it was even studied to death for the Millennium line, infact the Millennium line took full advantage of crime prevention through design. Im sure that im not the only one that realizes that the Millennium line is superior to the Expo line, and allot safer. I havent seen any numbers but I would assume that crime rates and even more so violent crime rates are going to be shockingly lower than on the Expo line. Having only one entrance at all the stations except Lougheed and Broadway is one of the more important reasons why the stations are safer.

You hit the nail on the head Officedweler and I agree with you that Broadway, 41st and City center are the only stations that can handle and benefit from more than one entrance.


Everyone should also keep in mind that its not impossible to add another entrance if the passenger volume at the station justifies it.

Well said, it's a safety issue to have multiple entrances that are hardly used.

Don't forget Waterfront.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by cornholio

The B-Line will be scraped. If the Canada line doesnt reach 100,000 riders than Translink will end up covering the shortfall. They will try everything they can to redirect as many north south passengers to the Canada line as they can as its going to be tight getting those 100,000 riders right of the bat.(though I do think they will get that number).
Having a duplicate B-Line would not only cost money to run but cost money to pay to make up the rider shortfall on the Canada line that it would likely cause.

98 b line will be gone...any bus service that can compete with the Canada line for longer distance trips will be scraped or handicapped to push people on to the Canada line.

I have my doubts about reaching 100,000 off the bat in the first year. I definitely think they'll be able to reach that in 1-3 years though, with the first year perhaps able to reach somewhere between 75,000-85,000.

Agreed, the 98 needs to be axed. And I'm quite happy with what they have planned for the 10 on Granville - it'll be nearly as frequent as the existing 98 (given that the 98 comes whenever it likes and arrives just about once every 10-15 mins during the day - a far cry from its schedule).

[nova9]

I was once on a bus that had someone being trained and the instructor told the bus driver to step on the pedal in increments so as too not knock old ladies off their feet fro mthe torque. I suspect that bus drivers just accelerate slowly because the bus accelerates too quickly.

[Gordon]

It will be interesting to see how Translink institutes the expanded #10 Trolley service because they already seem not to have enough trolleys to furnish all trolley routes with only trolleys in Rush hour the #16 #7 & #9 tend to have some diesel replacements during peak times. I suspect there will be a certain proportion of #10s on the Granville section that will short-turn in Downtown.

[mr.x]

^ i think there was an order for more trolleys a year or two ago?

[deasine]

Originally Posted by punkster1982

Why can't they have buses from West Richmond end at one of the YVR stations and go directly into Vancouver from there? There's done of land through there, they could even add shoulder lanes for the buses if they were popular enough

YVR is a zone by itself so people would be paying more money.

[fever]

Trolleys are slower because they have timing stops. In order to keep to the schedule, when it gets to some predetermined point in its route the bus sits there and annoys everyone on it for five minutes. I avoid trolleys (and buses that aren't b-lines) because I hate timing stops. I don't mind that the trolleys have to slow down at intersections. Maybe I'm impatient, but I'd guess about half the people out there are even more impatient.

To avoid the need for timing stops, I think Translink should plan routes that are as short as possible. The driver should be on schedule at the beginning of the route, then try to get to the end as quickly as possible. The quicker they get there, the more time they have to read the paper.

The 17's would be examples of this if they only had timing stops on Robson/Granville and at the other end of the route. They could short turn the 10 there too.

(The only reason the 17's share a number is so that the bus driver can stop even longer at every stop to answer questions from confused tourists like, "Does this bus go to UBC? Oh. It doesn't? But I was told I need to take the 17").

I guess while I'm at it, and since the 17 Oak isn't going to go over Granville after the Canada line opens, I'd be happy to see the new 17 Oak shortened. They could force a transfer to the Canada line at Broadway, and run it more frequently on Oak.

[Gordon]

The #17 route will return to it's normal route in September which will end the confusion with the 2 #17 routes terminating at the same point(Robson & Granville) downtown.

Will the Trolley routes that terminate at Marine Drive Station have destination signs that include marine Drive Stn. (ie 17 Marine Drive Stn.)?

[DKaz]

We're getting more articulated trolleys on the way.

I don't mind the timing stops, as long as the bus gets to the destination on time.

[Gordon]

I think the articulated trolleys are for the #8 Fraser Route Which becomes an all articulated by the end of the year.