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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 7:27 PM
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Re: Ivanwolf photos..... Love the ones taken from the convention center parking garage that uses the Austonian and the building to the south (100 congress?) to frame the Hills and the construction at the W.... and 360. Nice!

Re: "creative investments", etc. Can someone please define the real debate here as it relates to Austin? Sorry don't want to wade thru all the "other" (i.e., NYC) debates along the way.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 8:25 PM
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Re: Ivanwolf photos..... Love the ones taken from the convention center parking garage that uses the Austonian and the building to the south (100 congress?) to frame the Hills and the construction at the W.... and 360. Nice!
Yes. That's 100 Congress. The one the frames W Austin Hotel & Residences, Spring, 360, and the Hills. There's also another building which is part of the frames and that's the 412 footer The Ashton.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 10:11 PM
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Where is this exactly on Wickersham? Is it north of Riverside, or south? What apartment complex is it? I've been thinking of doing some east side bike rides for the skyline views. Also, since my sister, her husband to be and my niece are temporary residents of the east side for now, I should get over there more often.
they look like the apartments right behind woodmeade apts. i used to live there. it's a very nice view of downtown austin... and its on the corner of oltorf and wickersham, south of riverside. if you go down further east on wickersham, heading towards montopolis, there is the company spansion... there's a little nice view where you can see spring and 360 pop out from inbetween the trees. check it out. that reminds me how i need a camera myself.
     
     
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3 dead after 21 Rio construction fall in West Campus

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/061009kvue_construction_fall-cb.699b6de7.html

According to officials with Austin/Travis County EMS, the victims were at the construction site for the 21 Rio Apartments on Rio Grande near MLK when the accident happened. Officials say the scaffolding was set up to reach the 11th floor when it gave way and dropped several stories.

Makeshift construction scaffolding gave way at a work site near the University of Texas campus Wednesday afternoon, killing three people. A fourth victim sustained minor injuries.

Two people -- 30-years-old and 28-years-old -- fell 11 stories to their deaths. A third person, 40, fell to the 7th floor and was rushed to Brackenridge Hospital in critical condition. He later died from his injuries. A fourth victim managed to jump into the building that was under construction as the elevator fell and sustained minor injuries. That person was walking around.

Battalion Fire Chief Harry Evans says an investigation into what happened is underway.

No identities have been released.

The building is a 16-story planned high rise. The developer of the residential tower is Cobalt Land Development.

OSHA is expected to investigate.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:13 AM
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my heart felt sympothy and prayers go out to the familys of those who died. I would not be surprised if construction is halted on all the other Austin projects while safty measures are examined.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:20 AM
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What a drag, we haven't had a story like this as long as I can remember. My thoughts go out to all those affected.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:39 AM
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Really sad. These kind of accidents must be hard on the families since every time they see that building they're reminded of what happened.

And this is the 2nd construction site related death in about a year. Remember that a worker had also fallen and was killed at La Vista on Lavaca.
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Really sad. These kind of accidents must be hard on the families since every time they see that building they're reminded of what happened.
It must be really sad. I honor thee to the victims, their friends, and their families.

I wish to God that never, ever a accident like this will happen again.
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Hmmmmm...

OK, I get it... debates aren't really wanted on this forum... but I think it's too bad... I guess I'll just go back to visiting the forum to look at the pretty pictures...

But before I retreat back into my hole, let me at least give some credit to Northcrossed for saying something interesting... Although, I don't agree with him that there is no place for government money in funding creative building projects, I do appreciate his pragmatism and willingness to discuss things...

Anyway, I hope some of the folks in this forum take a moment to see how cool the Highline is because 1) a Texas dude made it happen, and 2) Austin is one of the only cities unique enough to do something as cool as this... and 3) a forum on skyscrapers and city development is a good place to discuss the direction of our city... especially at a time when great projects in Austin could be cut... Enjoy...http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=119155
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 4:14 AM
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OK, I get it... debates aren't really wanted on this forum... but I think it's too bad... I guess I'll just go back to visiting the forum to look at the pretty pictures...

But before I retreat back into my hole, let me at least give some credit to Northcrossed for saying something interesting... Although, I don't agree with him that there is no place for government money in funding creative building projects, I do appreciate his pragmatism and willingness to discuss things...

Anyway, I hope some of the folks in this forum take a moment to see how cool the Highline is because 1) a Texas dude made it happen, and 2) Austin is one of the only cities unique enough to do something as cool as this... and 3) a forum on skyscrapers and city development is a good place to discuss the direction of our city... especially at a time when great projects in Austin could be cut... Enjoy...http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=119155
Actually, personally I think debates are good. I wanted to understand what the debate really was and get the "I know NYC better than you" out of it. (the high line is a really cool project)

If the debate is simply whether or not cities should get involved in development that creates a better environment for public use AND development. That is a good debate.

I say Yep. It affects how we will end up seeing Waller Creek developed..and Green treatment, Seaholm.... That is a lot of impact on our downtown.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 6:16 AM
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Wow, a totally misrepresentation of the proejct... As someone who is familliar with the history, it was a totally inaccurate portrayal of the political issues regarding the highline.... and your use of other over-budget infrastructure projects in NY are not relevant to this discussion and do not strengthen your points any more than reminding us you are a native-Austinite...

The discussion to be had for Austin in particular is choosing how we spend out money... and I'm worried by the tone and political bias that comes through in your posts that you aren't appreciating the need for creative projects to spur creative jobs and preserve Austin's unique position in the states...

For instance, a well-developed district on waller creek in Austin would be a great example where a truly creative planning process might yield incredible dividends for years to come and enhance Austin's values...
What are you so upset about? Was a post disparaging you deleted? If it was I must have missed it. Otherwise I don't get it because it seems like there is a discussion going on.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:14 PM
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How tall Austonian is right now? My estimate is 545 ft? If so, few more to go before being tallest building in Austin!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:49 PM
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Where is this exactly on Wickersham? Is it north of Riverside, or south? What apartment complex is it? I've been thinking of doing some east side bike rides for the skyline views. Also, since my sister, her husband to be and my niece are temporary residents of the east side for now, I should get over there more often.
This really off of Sunridge Dr in the apartment buildings on the left after going in the gate. I had a friend who lived there and knew about the view from the stairwell and the corner of the second building on the left.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s...1&spn=0.008167,0.013046&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A
     
     
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How tall Austonian is right now? My estimate is 545 ft? If so, few more to go before being tallest building in Austin!
You have an accurate answer! The 49th floor is at 547 feet and 2 inches. That's the floor they're working on. So you're just off by 2 feet and 2 inches!

Does anybody know when floor 50 is coming?
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Minor excitement: "The Fondren Building" (formerly La Vista on Lavaca) has resumed work. They had stopped for the last few months... but no one could find out why.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 10:48 PM
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New lighting on The Ashton.

Did anyone else happen to catch the new lighting on The Ashton yesterday? It looks pretty clasy. Just white lights at the crown tho.
     
     
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Well, I think some of us including me did not see it. It would be nice of someone would post a Ashton Lighting photo. B-)
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Minor excitement: "The Fondren Building" (formerly La Vista on Lavaca) has resumed work. They had stopped for the last few months... but no one could find out why.
Um, yay? lol

I haven't been by there, did they ever bother to change the sign to show the updated rendering?
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So, I'm in bean town right now for vacation (watching the sox sweep the yanks tonight hopefully).. Little surprised about the height. It's much much smaller than Houston as far as height goes. Boston is probably halfway between Austin and Houston for height. In my mind I had a mental image of a giant metropolis, and was surprised when it wasn't.

Obviously, they have history that we will never, ever be able to touch. We have our own history, but somehow I doubt elementary school students here are forced to memorize poems about lights in church towers in downtown Austin.

I've never been to Boston before and am loving it so far.. they really are a great model for urban living in a (somewhat) smaller city (compared to say New York). I would love for the areas around downtown Austin to take on the feeling of the back bay area here.

The small urban parks here are really nice too. Hopefully if we ever redo our downtown park space we can steal a page from some of the landscaping here. I am particularly in love with their public garden area next to Boston Common which reminds me of a tiny little central park.
     
     
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Fact number one is that NYC budgeted $16 million for "design and construction" and fact number two is you now say NYC spent $170 million. What appears to have happened (which I'm not saying is a fact, but is a reasonable hypothesis) is the State, Federal, and private contributions didn't meet expectations so the city made-up the difference. Perhaps the budget was $170 million total but they didn't get squat from other sources, or perhaps they got what they originally hoped to get from other sources but costs increased.

Government always low-balls the cost of projects to get the voters on board before reality sets-in. I think an above-ground Waller Creek project is worth doing, especially if it helps pay for the tunnel that will diminish the flooding threat downstream. But the reality is that they've already shortened the tunnel and scrapped a lot of the masonry and landscaping at the tunnel's intake and outlet to try to keep the budget down (but they only want you to remember the pretty project originally proposed). The city's TIF still wasn't enough funding, so they had to get Travis County on board to pay half (with the lure of splitting future casino taxes, I'd imagine). And there's lots of time left for it to become more expensive and less-pretty.

So you don't mistake my "tone and bias" here it is: It isn't government's job to fund "creative projects to spur creative jobs". Governments need to provide services (and reasonable parks and recreation facilities are a needed service) and keep their debt down so businesses will be willing to take a chance on investing their own resources there, knowing that sober, responsible people and institutions (eg: UT) have made the place what it is and likely will continue to be. Or you can champion an end result such as creativity without ever knowing how things get created in the first place; maybe you'll get lucky or maybe you'll fail. Austin is too important to risk on hope-driven schemes. California is a very creative place, but they've bankrupted themselves by only chasing end results while ignoring the economic climate, then over-reacting with propositions to destroy what they previously demanded. Businesses see the lack of stability and are leaving and taking jobs with them.

Oh, here's an idea! New York has a city income tax (and state, and federal), even on workers who commute from the hinterland...we should have one of those too! That'll pay for all kinds of creativity and attract lots of high-salary jobs...oh, no it won't...sorry...nevermind.
So are you against all subsidization of creativity by government? In any form? Architecture? Parkland? You do know education is also part of this. Museums? Where is the line? Because I have heard the argument that none of that should be done by the government. I am guessing since you singled out the "creative class" you were definitely against Villa Muse. Frankly though, I think it is very clear that Austin's focus on the "Creative Class" is what has allowed Austin to prosper, especially in this hard economic times. The creative class allows a city to develop a diverse economy. Sure this includes artists and musicians. But this also includes architects, web designers, advertisers, engineers that create new products, and many entreupenuers that start the small business that "Keep Austin Weird." After all, what is more creative then looking at a city, seeing a market that isn't served, and then creating a business to profit off it. And the government has long been essential in providing the environment that attracts these types of professionals and allows them to flourish. Whether it be good schools, parks that we can all enjoy, districts like 2nd Street, and other quality of life investments that makes this city great. Even the one institution you cited as a reason businesses come here undermines your argument. Isn't UT a large government institution? Yes, yes it is. And it is by far the best argument in why governments need to invest in the "creative class" to remain competitive. After all, where would Austin be without UT. And I know that UT is a state institution. But those same principles work at the city level too. It is those investments that attract so many UT students to stay here after their education is finished and become very productive members of the Austin community.

Oh, and it seems like you finished your post by insinuating that New York City doesn't attract high-salary jobs. I don't even think I need to address that one. That just seems silly. And the city income taxes only apply to city residents. And it is a huge injustice to the issues involved to simplify the problems in California to just a consequence of overspending by politicians. There are countless aspects to that issue that would need a whole another discussion all together.
     
     
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