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Old Posted Jun 3, 2009, 7:49 AM
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Awesomeness. Need to get a couple of full structure shots and shots of it with the skyline now (hint hint) LOL
I may be down there on Saturday to do it.
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JUNE 3, 2009 | Ritz-Carlton Hotel & Residences/JW Marriott

Ritz-Carlton Hotel & Residences/JW Marriott


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not a huge fan of the multicolored glass facade by day. looks messy and distracts from the building's otherwise modern lines. it's also, in the tradition of many other facades in this city, more visual gimmick (see gehry and mayne) than architectural substance. but lighting it up at night produces the effect of lightening the facade and emphasizing the sleek linearity of the building (and distracting from that annoying helipad). i've been pretty ambivalent about l.a. live but this building at least is a welcome addition to downtown in many different ways
     
     
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i've been pretty ambivalent about l.a. live but this building at least is a welcome addition to downtown in many different ways
Like extending the skyline Southwest.
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I like the Ritz and consider it the best looking part of all LA Live IMO. I only wish it was more connected to the rest of downtown... how I wish those parking lots around the whole complex would be filled in.

Here is a not so good picture I took from Hollywood with the telephoto about a month ago making the hotel look more a part of Wilshire than Downtown:


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Oh and the Ritz sign looks nice. I just wish that the helipad was much more covered by the glass crown. Think of that building in Atlanta that looks like the Ritz...can't remember the name.

Found it.

1180 Peachtree


It would also be nice if the Ritz's crown was lit the same way.
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2009, 9:12 AM
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Oh and the Ritz sign looks nice. I just wish that the helipad was much more covered by the glass crown. Think of that building in Atlanta that looks like the Ritz...can't remember the name. Found it.
1180 Peachtree...It would also be nice if the Ritz's crown was lit the same way.
I disagree on the hilipad, in the sense that it works for me either way--whether it's cleverly concealed as in your example, or out in the open and easily visible. I'd hate to be the pilot who has to maneuver on to that Atlanta building--there just seems to be less room for error. On the other hand, maybe there's less wind for passengers to deal with during the time they're up on the roof.

It's hard not to think of Sao Paulo, Brazil...when discussing helipads. If memory serves me, I believe there are 800+ licensed helicopter-taxi-pilots. It's something that could work for Los Angeles: with it's notorious traffic problems and ever-increasing density, even with the various public transit options currently in the works, and there's a sizable wealthy class. LA could end up being the US city known for it's helipads--and then it wouldn't really matter how visibly or discretly they are presented as part of the building. Sure, you'd have to add at least another several thousand 25-35 story buildings, before there could be anything approaching a fair comparison...

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From The Guardian - UK
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Minimum number of helicopter flights within central Sao Paulo each year...70,000

820 Helicopter pilots work in Sao Paulo; each can earn $100,000 a year

420 Helipads in Sao Paulo
     
     
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^ 1180 Peachtree does not have a helipad, so landing safety is a moot issue there. ThreeHundred's comment was about the design of 1180 Peachree working because it does not have a helipad, and the desire to have the helipad of the Ritz more concealed by the glass fins on the east and west sides. Raising the glass fins by 15 feet or so would not make the landing space any more dangerous or difficult than it is now, but it would visually conceal the helipad in most views of the crown.

A really good example of this is the Gas Company Tower. The glass walls of the crown extend slightly above the helipad, and are very close to edges of the helipad itself, resulting in both an operable helipad and a clean, flat line for the crown of the building.
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The helipad was never made very apparent, as far as I can recall, in the renders I've seen in the past. In fact, I believe the glass "fins" were actually rendered much taller than they eventually turned out to be. The rest of the building isn't bad, but it (the helipad) looks pretty dorky from a distance and makes me feel like a little bait and switch happened here...
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I disagree on the hilipad, in the sense that it works for me either way--whether it's cleverly concealed as in your example, or out in the open and easily visible. I'd hate to be the pilot who has to maneuver on to that Atlanta building--there just seems to be less room for error. On the other hand, maybe there's less wind for passengers to deal with during the time they're up on the roof.

It's hard not to think of Sao Paulo, Brazil...when discussing helipads. If memory serves me, I believe there are 800+ licensed helicopter-taxi-pilots. It's something that could work for Los Angeles: with it's notorious traffic problems and ever-increasing density, even with the various public transit options currently in the works, and there's a sizable wealthy class. LA could end up being the US city known for it's helipads--and then it wouldn't really matter how visibly or discretly they are presented as part of the building. Sure, you'd have to add at least another several thousand 25-35 story buildings, before there could be anything approaching a fair comparison...

Found the article I was thinking of:
From The Guardian - UK
Well I can see a lot of the clientele arriving by helicopter there, definitely.
     
     
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Here is one of the renders I took a photo of on the outside of the marketing center for the tower a year or so ago in downtown L.A.



The fins never were intended to be anything like the Atlanta tower. But no helipad is visible in the shot.
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^ Yeah. Never envisioned them being anywhere near the Atlanta tower's height (which are pretty excessive if you ask me), but somehow I got the idea that they'd be about 2-3 floors in height on one side and about one floor or so on the other. You know, something that'd mostly obscure a helipad. Maybe it was just a combination of a trick of the render angles and my imagination/wishful thinking. Sigh.

Is that an advert for the movie E.T. on the theater structure in the render above? 🞵🞵🞵?
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^^ looking at the rendering carefully, you can see where the helipad is going to be.

I was hoping (and thought) that the fins would raise to the level of the landing surface of the helipad. Almost like the crown the US Bank building. That way, you couldn't see the helipad, but it also wasn't obstructed by architecture.

On a different note, there was talk a while back about a convention center expansion to reach across Chick Hern and over the West Parking structure at LA. Does anybody know the status of that? Are there any renderings of that? I know that the San Diego Convention Center is still on track for their expansion.

LA has the ability to be a major convention city. More downtown hotels rooms would be required (and the Ritz is the critical step in that), a convention center expansion is required (some of the other major convention centers are still much larger than LA), and a high speed train link from LAX to downtown (along with an upgrade of the airport which, after 20 years, will hopefully get underway).

I would like to see the some the infrastructure projects happen now. This is a time when the construction prices are low and people need jobs. By the time they are built and open, the economy should be on the rebound, and then LA can take advantage of having some of the newest facilities.
     
     
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We shouldn't complain about the helipad.
Were lucky to have Ritz now
Which is better than nothing
And look at all those other proposed/approved buildings in LA...
a lot of them didn't make it.
     
     
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From the Downtown News:


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Condo Tower Proposed for Jewelry District
A 283-Unit Development Begins the City Approvals Process
by Anna Scott
Published: Friday, June 5, 2009 5:14 PM PDT

DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES - Despite the recession and an unsettled residential market, a local developer is moving forward on plans for a 31-story condominium tower in the Jewelry District.

The mixed-use project from Laeroc 2002 Coast Parking, LLC would rise on two adjacent surface parking lots between Hill and Olive streets at Ninth Street. The project had a hearing before city planning officials on May 20, and is expected to be fully entitled within two weeks, said land use consultant Greg Jackson of Rosenheim & Associates.

The project would stand a block west of the Kor Group’s Eastern Columbia Building at 849 S. Broadway. It would house 283 condominiums and 11,180 square feet of ground-floor retail space.

There would also be 663 parking spaces housed on two underground levels and four above ground, as well as in a separate five-level structure. The parking, said Jackson, is expected to serve the condominiums and future inhabitants of an adjacent office building at Ninth and Hill streets under the same ownership, which has been approved as an adaptive reuse project. Some parking might also be open to the public, said Jackson.

The Hermosa Beach-based real estate investment firm LaeRoc Funds, headed by longtime Downtown real estate player Kim Benjamin, purchased the development site in pieces between 2003 and 2007.

Mark Rothenberg of Downtown-based Rothenberg Sawasy Architects - the firm behind the Arts District’s Molino Street Lofts, among other local projects - has completed preliminary designs for the effort.

Like most other large-scale developments in the pipeline nationwide, the LaeRoc tower faces major challenges. One of the biggest potential hurdles is the largely frozen credit market.

Depending on how quickly the project moves forward, the developer may have to provide a large portion of the project’s construction budget up front, said Stanley Ross, chair of USC’s Lusk Center for Real Estate. “They’re not going to get traditional financing,” he said.

Furthermore, Stanley added, even after the economy improves the condo market could take longer to catch up. “For condos, we still have a longer-term excess supply that would carry over, so I’d be a little nervous,” he said. “I’d wait out another year or two even just to get a sense of how the market absorbs the condos that are out there. I wouldn’t even start talking about it before a year.”

Benjamin, who also heads the area’s Historic Cultural Neighborhood Council, said his firm is taking a cautious approach. He declined to provide a timeline or budget for the project, and said, “Our job one is to get this entitled and approved, and then see what the circumstances and economy allow.”

He is not the only one looking to the future. Although several major projects in Downtown are stalled, developer Thomas Properties Group recently announced plans for a $1 billion hotel, office and residential complex to replace the Wilshire Grand hotel at 930 Wilshire Blvd. Thomas has said he does not anticipate breaking ground until 2011, but has started the process now so the project can have all its city approvals secured by the time the economy recovers.

Parking Questions

Stakeholders say the proposed LaeRoc project could be a positive addition to Downtown.

“Over the last decade or so, it’s been underutilized,” Ninth District Councilwoman Jan Perry said of the proposed site. “Assuming he has done his market studies… it might be a great opportunity. Unlike some older buildings, it will have parking on-site, so it’s an interesting reuse.”

Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council President Russell Brown said that DLANC supports the project, though some members have raised questions over whether the parking structure will complement the streetscape.

“There was concern about the parking podium,” said Brown. “We asked them to work with the city on the Urban Design Guidelines to make sure that the sidewalk is activated.”

The Downtown Design Guide and Urban Design Standards Guidelines, adopted by the City Council in April, aim to bring pedestrian-friendly elements to the Central City, such as wider sidewalks, landscaped medians and additional streetlights, trees and street parking.

Benjamin said he is unsure of whether Rothenberg is working with the Planning Department’s Urban Design Studio, which spearheaded the guidelines. Yet an early rendering of the project reveals landscaping, trees and glass-fronted retail at the ground level.

The project, though in the early stage, has caught the attention of area stakeholders in part because it would occupy a key location, Brown said. Community members are lobbying to turn a parcel behind the Eastern Columbia Building into a small park, and the LaeRoc tower would likely stand near a streetcar line in the works for Broadway, which is still years from completion but has recently gained momentum.

“We want to make sure it’s integrated,” Brown said.

Contact Anna Scott at [email protected].
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Decided to take a walk around the Old Bank District, Little Tokyo and Arts District and take some pictures. This is my 1st time doing this so I apologize for the picture quality.
























































     
     
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This is my 1st time doing this so I apologize for the picture quality.
Thanks for taking those pics! And nothing to apologize for. Your photos are some of the best I've ever seen in this thread, giving views of parts of DT I've never noticed in a pic before.

What did they do to the top of the former new otani Hotel?!! That 🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 border at the top doesn't look too good:

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One reason thru the yrs I've often thought of LA as not being as crowded or full of ppl as NIMBYs or others make it out to be is cuz hoods like DT can be so quiet during the day. I notice most of the sidewalks in your photos look strangely empty. I'm guessing you took the pics on the weekend, which doesn't help. But I've been in the hood even during the weekday & noticed how quiet it can be, with not as many ppl out & about as one would associate with almost any major city in the world.

By contrast, I'll drive onto various fwys all around DT & be stuck in the middle of thousands of cars, even traffic jams. To me that's an indication LA isn't set up right.

too many ppl there----way out in the burbs, for instance----not enough here. Too few ppl living in one place, too many ppl living somewhere else. Too many ppl working too far from home, too few ppl living close to work.
     
     
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It would be great to fill in the gap where that bldg would go. But I have mixed feelings about such new proposals, not only cuz of the current state of the economy, but cuz of all the other existing projs that have been publicized over the past several yrs & that have yet to breakground today. So it's almost mean for devlprs to get everyone's interests & hopes up today, only to never follow through on their projs. It's like they're teasing everyone by mentioning to the public about their proposed devlpt and then delaying any actual work on it for several yrs. Or worse, eventually bailing out on it.

Then there are other projs like the one involving the Wilshire grand hotel, which I also have mixed feelings about. That's cuz it will replace an existing bldg that, while not great, isn't so bad it needs to be replaced ASAP. Compare that with a site just one block to the south & east of the hotel, where a big gap of a former demolished bldg & some deadzone parking lots have been sitting for yrs & yrs.

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James A. Thomas is overseeing the redevelopment of the Wilshire Grand in downtown Los Angeles.
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By FRED A. BERNSTEIN
Published: June 6, 2009

ACROSS the country, hotel projects have stalled because of a lack of funding. But the owner of one Los Angeles hotel is not only spending millions on improvements — it is also getting ready to replace the hotel with a new one.

The Wilshire Grand is in the midst of a $20 million makeover that involves upgrades to all 900 guest rooms. But while the renovation will help keep the building fresh, it still won’t provide the spaciousness and sheen that some travelers expect.

“There is just so much you can do with a 50-year-old structure,” said Penny Pfaelzer, a spokeswoman for Korean Air, the hotel’s owner. Even with upgrades, she said, the rooms are “dated.” So Korean Air hopes to tear down the hotel a year or two after the renovation is finished. Then, a pair of high-rise buildings — one containing offices, the other a new hotel with 700 rooms — will be constructed in its place.

James A. Thomas, whose company, the Thomas Properties Group, was hired by Korean Air to oversee the redevelopment, said “the decision has been made to scrape the site.” His client, he said, “decided that it doesn’t make sense to keep putting money into the property if they’re not able to come up with the kind of quality hotel they want.”

The rebuilding project is expected to cost around $1 billion, according to Mr. Thomas, and it will proceed despite the tight credit market. Korean Air “has the wherewithal to build the hotel off its balance sheet,” he said. The airline, a part of the Hanjin Group, a conglomerate based in South Korea, had more than $8 billion in revenue in 2008, according to Ms. Pfaelzer.

Korean Air has strong ties to Los Angeles, which has the largest Korean population of any city outside Korea, according to Eui-Young Yu, the founder and director of the Center for Korean American and Korean Studies at California State University, Los Angeles. That generates a lot of trans-Pacific traffic. The company’s chairman, Y. H. Cho, is a graduate of the University of Southern California, as are his three children, Ms. Pfaelzer said. One of them, Heather Cho, runs the company’s hotel division.

Korean Air bought the Wilshire Grand about 20 years ago — when it was known as the Hilton Hotel and Towers — and has watched as downtown Los Angeles burgeoned around it. The Walt Disney Concert Hall, which opened in 2003, and the Staples Center arena, which opened in ’99, are both in easy walking distance of the hotel. L.A. Live, a vast entertainment complex, is under construction next to the Staples Center.

The Wilshire Grand advertises itself as having the best location of any hotel in the city. But if that’s true, the hotel hasn’t lived up to its potential. On a recent night, rooms were available as little as $79. Even so, occupancy has been around 50 or 60 percent, according to Marc Loge, the hotel’s director of public relations.

And the Wilshire Grand is about to face new competition. L.A. Live, which is expected to open next year, will contain two separate hotels — a Ritz-Carlton, with 123 rooms, and a J. W. Marriott, with more than 800 rooms — in a single, 54-story tower designed by Gensler, the international architecture firm. The hotels will operate as distinct entities despite sharing a building. The new neighbors “are raising the bar” for the Wilshire Grand, Ms. Pfaelzer said. But they may also bring it new business.

According to Carol Martinez, an executive of LA Inc., the city’s convention and visitors bureau, some of the largest conventions “didn’t want to come to Los Angeles because we didn’t have enough hotel rooms to accommodate them.” The addition of nearly 1,000 rooms at L.A. Live will change that, she said. A result could be more convention business for the Wilshire Grand.

But the existing Wilshire Grand would have a hard time satisfying some conventiongoers, Ms. Pfaelzer said. Among other things, she said, its cramped public spaces are incompatible with “the pedestrian and cafe lifestyle Southern Californians enjoy.”

It may take up to two years to win approval for the project from government agencies, according to Mr. Thomas, and for that reason, the company decided not to halt the renovations that were under way. But it did decide to speed things up. Instead of renovating floor by floor, as originally planned, it is tackling three floors at a time, Mr. Loge said. That will allow the hotel to complete the renovation this fall, about a year ahead of schedule.

Low occupancy during the economic downturn has made it easier to renovate large swaths of the building at once, Mr. Loge added.


The executive boardroom has been part of the renovation project, even as plans are under way to tear down the hotel.

Once it was decided that the hotel would be demolished, some items were dropped from the original renovation plan. The rooms will receive new carpet, window treatments, wallpaper, flat-panel televisions, mattresses and upholstery, Mr. Loge said. But, he said, “the bathrooms will no longer be completely refurbished and expanded.” He said that decision, along with other changes, reduced the cost of the renovation to about $20 million from about $60 million.

Meanwhile, Mr. Thomas, the real estate developer, is focused on maximizing the use of the Wilshire Grand site — nearly three acres at the corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Figueroa Street, on the southwestern corner of downtown Los Angeles. The site is particularly valuable to Korean Air, he said, because “the name Wilshire Boulevard is recognized around the world.” As a result, he said, the airline “is very anxious to have the hotel front on Wilshire, because they anticipate an international business.”

The new hotel is as yet unnamed; the company is talking to all the major brands — known as “flags” — before deciding which of them will operate it, Mr. Thomas said.

In the meantime, executives of the Wilshire Grand are focused on running their hotel. “When employees know that a hotel is going to eventually close, that can be an issue,” Ms. Pfaelzer said, noting that some employees may seek other employment, while morale among those who remain could suffer. She said the company has offered Wilshire Grand employees “preferential hiring when the new hotel becomes operational.”

“And we’re hopeful that many will return,” she added. But that will take time.

“Before we could have the hotel up and running, we’re talking about four to five years,” said Mr. Thomas, who was figuring on at least two years for various approvals from the city and at least two years for construction. “Hopefully by then,” he said, “the economy will have turned around.”


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true >.<
Those people are getting fat.
Just sit at their chairs, on the computer/tv.
Then sit at their seat, driving the car.
Then sit at the chair, eating lunch.
Then sit at their chair, working.
Then sit at the chair, eating dinner.
Then sit at their seat, driving back home.
Then sleep at their bed, and repeat.

Sigh.... LA people doesn't enjoy their city as much like NYers.
Even if we destroy ALL of our attractions and leave one out, nobody will still go there. You know why? CAUSE THEY JUST SIT THERE DOING NOTHING!
Well, true, cause it takes 30 minutes to go to Wal Mart or Mc Donalds by feets.

*You can correct me if you want cause I dun really know what I said is true. I got this idea by looking at how empty the popular places n stuff are, and how lazy my friends are cause they never go anywhere and like my family people tooo!!!!!*

You see how loud LA live is? Ya, one person in the street, your ear is exploding already.

I'll just make up a joke...
90% of the money LA has is from gas money.
     
     
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