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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 9:07 PM
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don't make me go all Joe L. Reed on you.




Had lunch at Dreamland today, great bbq salad if you haven't had it before. Alley is shaping up nicely (if slowly). They were finishing up the lights on the water tower. Sat outside in the alley, and there were several people talking about who and what and when things were going to open.
Did you wander up the alley to check out The Alley Bar?

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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 9:39 PM
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don't make me go all Joe L. Reed on you.

Alright now. Much more of that and we're going to have to take your name off the forum.

Remember, "it's a matter of honor. If we take it down, it's a dishonor..."

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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 3:43 PM
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any update on the new place going in at the A&P Lofts ... the Pine Bar?
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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 8:23 PM
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Congrats to GARDENMAN (aka bystander2) not only for helping to start the effort to put the Centennial Hill neighborhood on the National Register of Historic Places, but for helping to keep the neighborhood on tract with its long-range plans that were approved by the city last year.

You told us at our last forum meet that it was going to be a tough fight to stop an apartment development that was waaay outside of the new neighborhood guidelines, but you won the latest round.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/arti...ighborhood+wins+challenge+against+zoning
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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 8:42 PM
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any update on the new place going in at the A&P Lofts ... the Pine Bar?
Man, you're ready to do some drankin' ain't ya?

lol. This should make for some good bar-hopping tonight.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/arti...Pub+Crawl”+is+tonight+&referrer=LATEST
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Congrats to GARDENMAN (aka bystander2) not only for helping to start the effort to put the Centennial Hill neighborhood on the National Register of Historic Places, but for helping to keep the neighborhood on tract with its long-range plans that were approved by the city last year.

You told us at our last forum meet that it was going to be a tough fight to stop an apartment development that was waaay outside of the new neighborhood guidelines, but you won the latest round.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/arti...ighborhood+wins+challenge+against+zoning
Indeed! I enjoyed reading about this in the paper this morning...
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With the Ron White show, the alleyway, etc Downtown was looking swank last night!

The Hank Williams museum was lit and playing some music that could be heard through the block, Dreamland was rocking, and the hotel/MPAC was super crowded. If there was a Biscuits game it would have really topped it off.
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Downtown Entertainment

I agree with Brown Duckz last night Downtown was buzzin. If the biscuits were in town with fireworks after the game. And if SaZa and Winzell was open along with Cuco's and Smoothies-n-Thing's, Cool Beans, Chris's can make a tremendous time that was has by those in attendous even greater. I was talking to some people from Atlanta, Birmingham, etc and they claim they were having a great time and that our downtown has come a long way. I am glad people enjoyed themselves at the Ron White show at MPAC last night.
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Montgomery Should Play by the Rules

This guest editorial is in today's Montgomery Advertiser. I think Brandon did a good job of explaining the "objection" that lots of people had with the water tower at the Alley. What is done is done, but going forward...
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/arti...ces++Montgomery+should+play+by+the+rules

Alabama Voices: Montgomery Should Play by the Rules
May 31, 2009

By Brandon Brazil

The preservation community applauds the city's infrastructure improvements that have facilitated the recent downtown development and this city's leadership in bringing downtown back to life. We hoped the demolition of the wing of the old freight building for Biscuits stadium would spur new investment and rehabilitation of this district, and it has. The private investors, developers, and architects have been playing by the rules, coming before the Architectural Review Board and all their projects are being approved.

So why is the only group not playing by the rules this time the city itself?

Long before many people discovered downtown, residents of Montgomery's historic neighborhoods were supporting preservation through the city's Preservation Commission and Architectural Review Board. We chose to do this because we knew that people were more likely to invest in our area if there could be some kind of assurance about what goes on next door. Nobody wants anyone to tell him what color to paint his house, but nobody wants to live next door to a purple house, either.

This process works as long as everyone plays by the rules. Indeed, it has worked and local historic districts have enjoyed stabilized property values and benefited from increased investment.

As a member of the city of Montgomery's Architectural Review Board, I have been alarmed to see the city's handling of the Water Tower/Alleyway project. The city has chosen not to abide by its own rules by relocating a water tower on the sidewalk without seeking ARB approval. In reviewing this matter, the ARB denied the tower's placement.

The city chose to disregard the ARB concerns. It sends the wrong message to all the citizens who live in historic areas and who abide by the laws the city created to protect its unique historic areas. I am dumbfounded time and again when preservationists are continually told we are "stifling development."

There would not be historic buildings to rehabilitate were it not for the efforts of preservationists who had the foresight to protect them with a local ordinance in the 1960s and 1970s. This preservation has contributed to what makes Montgomery unique.

It is simply not the case that the Alleyway development would not happen if it were not for the placement of a water tower on the sidewalk. Because many of the buildings in the development are utilizing the federal historic preservation tax credit, I would argue that the Alleyway development would not have happened if there were no historic buildings to form the basis of the attraction. Preservationists had vision and worked diligently to garner protections for these buildings so that there could be appropriate redevelopment of these attractive historic buildings rather than all new construction downtown.

One might say that the historic preservationists were the advocates for downtown redevelopment before it was "cool."

But this issue is not about the water tower. More importantly, it is about the city's claims that it does not come under the jurisdiction of the ARB. The language of the ordinance, as enabled by state law, is this:

"The certificate of appropriateness {board approval} shall apply to public property which has been designated as a Historic Property or which is contained in a Historic District, and shall apply to all actions by public authorities that involve Historic Properties and properties within Historic Districts."

The Alleyway, and sidewalk on which the water tower sits, are within the boundaries of the district and are clearly public property. Therefore, changes within that area should have come before the board. Cities like Mobile, New Orleans, Savannah, and Charleston obey their preservation ordinance with good effect; just ask their mayors, their visitors, and their businesses that thrive from the tourism industry.

While we certainly commend those involved in this development and the city's efforts to spur development in the historic district, we only ask one thing: Simply play by the rules. We are hopeful that will happen. That way, we all win.

Brandon Brazil is an architectural historian
and one of nine members of the city's
Architectural Review Board that reviews
exterior changes in locally designated historic districts.
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Old Posted May 31, 2009, 7:53 PM
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Yes, I read that story this morning and couldn't believe someone is still beating this dead horse. So I thought about this: since the time that this issue first came up, many people, including city officials, have long ago commented about the process enough that it is a well known conclusion that it probably should have been handled differently and that the process would be followed in the future to avoid any more confusion.

In view of that, OCA Rep, with you being a member of the ARB and a friend of mine, perhaps you can deliver a message to Brandon Brazil for me: Dude, give it a rest...
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Went to Dreamland last night with the wife.... it's amazing that there's 'night life' in Montgomery Alabama on a Sunday night. Dreamland was busy, there was a ball game, the Exchange was busy etc.... It'd be even nicer if saza, the Alley Bar, and the parking decks were open (anybody know why the parking decks aren't open?)

Here's some pictures from the Go! section of the Advertiser.





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In view of that, OCA Rep, with you being a member of the ARB and a friend of mine, perhaps you can deliver a message to Brandon Brazil for me: Dude, give it a rest...
Just to clarify... I am not on the ARB. I do attend most of their meetings as I have a job to protect the interests of Old Cloverdale whenever something related to our neighborhood is presented before that board.

There is absolutely NOTHING to say the City of Montgomery will do the right thing going forward when faced with a similar situation. I respect Brandon and his position on this issue. He is doing what he was appointed to do when put on the ARB.

I do hate that his actions are ruffling a few feathers. We were downtown for the Biscuits game last night and it looked cool to see the tower lit with the spot lights, etc. It does not look as bad as some people would have you think.
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Just to clarify... I am not on the ARB. I do attend most of their meetings as I have a job to protect the interests of Old Cloverdale whenever something related to our neighborhood is presented before that board.

There is absolutely NOTHING to say the City of Montgomery will do the right thing going forward when faced with a similar situation. I respect Brandon and his position on this issue. He is doing what he was appointed to do when put on the ARB.

I do hate that his actions are ruffling a few feathers. We were downtown for the Biscuits game last night and it looked cool to see the tower lit with the spot lights, etc. It does not look as bad as some people would have you think.
That's true, OCA REP. Thanks.
BTW, I guess they're not going to paint the water tower since they've already placed the lights on it. They don't have to. I think it looks pretty cool just like it is.
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I think it looks pretty cool just like it is.
Me too. The artwork I have seen for the Alleyway logo looks really cool...
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I think it's cool. It's the focal point Montgomery's Alley needs for visibility.
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I think it's cool. It's the focal point Montgomery's Alley needs for visibility.
Exactly. Something that's odd and and even somewhat controversial is what gives the place some uniqueness and character.


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Me too. The artwork I have seen for the Alleyway logo looks really cool...
Yeah, I like it too. I think they should paint the logo on the water tower but leave the rest of it unpainted. You can see the logo on this shuttle bus' door.






BTW, the Alley Bar has its own shuttle bus?! That's pretty cool, but what's it really for...to keep its overindulging patrons off the streets?

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fyi: the owner of The Alley Bar closed his bar in Auburn (Bar 51) and gave his shuttle bus a new paint job
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Good news!

The owner of the Alley Bar says he may open as early as tomorrow (Friday)!

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=10482153

He says it is two stories in size and will soon have dueling pianos. That sounds pretty cool!

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They are building a RSA tower in Montgomery? Is this right?! Any pics of that it is gonna look like? I really like the one in mobile. I wish they would build one up here in huntsville,but they have a gay 10 story height issue!!!!
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Good news!

The owner of the Alley Bar says he may open as early as tomorrow (Friday)!

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=10482153

He says it is two stories in size and will soon have dueling pianos. That sounds pretty cool!

That's very cool, hopefully their dueling pianos are like the ones at the shout house www.theshouthouse.com
or the big bang www.thebigbangbar.com
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