YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 77

trofirhen · #**1521** Posted **Jun 4, 2009, 5:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by zivan56

Why doesn't the goverment just sign open skies agreements with every friendly country? Then routes don't need to be negotiated between governments.
At least they are slowly getting there...the one with the EU was finalized (and partially implemented?) last month. It basically allows any European airline to fly to any Canadian airport without restrictions (except for multiple Canadian cities).

Sorry, what do you mean when you say they can't fly to "multiple" Canadian cities? Does that mean every flight between a Canadian city and a European one must be a non-stop? Or that only one city-pair is allowed? I'm not sure what that means. Sorry. Could you give an example, Zivan? Thanks.

jlousa · #**1522** Posted **Jun 4, 2009, 5:21 AM**

Normally what it means is if a flight goes Vancouver-Toronto-Paris via Air France for instance, they are not allowed to transport someone from Vancouver-Toronto, all Vancouver passengers must continue onto Paris, this is to protect the local carriers. Not sure if that is what is being referred to though.

mezzanine · #**1523** Posted **Jun 4, 2009, 6:36 AM**

Filled it out. It was an odd survey - lots of different choices of destinations; dont know how much pull YVR will have with the results.

For the record, I chose miami and brazil - this will greatly expand travel option to south america. Paris would be nice, but luftansa hubbing thru frankfurt will take you already to a lot of places in europe, and you can get par aeroplan miles! (ditto BA thru london, but no aeroplan and heathrow sucks!)

trofirhen · #**1524** Posted **Jun 4, 2009, 9:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

Filled it out. It was an odd survey - lots of different choices of destinations; dont know how much pull YVR will have with the results.

For the record, I chose miami and brazil - this will greatly expand travel option to south america. Paris would be nice, but luftansa hubbing thru frankfurt will take you already to a lot of places in europe, and you can get par aeroplan miles! (ditto BA thru london, but no aeroplan and heathrow sucks!)

I also picked Miami and Sao Paolo, for the same reasons you did. I did choose Paris, however, because changing planes at airports is such a hassle. The last time I went through that way, I had to wait five hours in Frankfurt.

zahav · #**1525** Posted **Jun 5, 2009, 2:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

Gates C\D 50 -52 are flex gates that are generally used by by AC and sometimes by Westjet

I would suspect in July when the C Pier expansion opens Air Canada will only use Pier C.

Actually C-50, 51, and 52 are called swing gates, because they can operate as either domestic or international. The reason airlines such as Air Canada use these gates isn't because of capacity restraints in the C-Pier, but rather because of aircraft cycling. For instance, Air Canada flies Boeing 767s on many of its Toronto-Vancouver flights, but these aircraft do not always turn around and do the same route again, they can then be used for flights to Asia, Europe, etc... For example, a flight from Toronto on a 767 could arrive at 9:30, go into gate C-50 (to allow passengers to deplane in the domestic wing), and then at 12:00, depart from the same gate to Seoul, as a secured international flight. Similarly, if Westjet has a Vegas arrival, they need to park at an international gate to allow passengers to clear customs (for arrivals, it doesn't matter if it is international or transborder); if it was parked at a swing gate (D50 on the arrival), that same aircraft can then fly to Calgary, as the departure will be at a domestic gate (c50). That's the real reason for the swing gates, it allows airlines to arrive/depart to different areas without having to tow the aircraft to a purely domestic or international gate.

I hope that made sense, lol..

Yume-sama · #**1526** Posted **Jun 5, 2009, 2:22 AM**

It was a small little A319 that I was on. I think they just put it there to make me burn a few extra calories.

Gordon · #**1527** Posted **Jun 5, 2009, 2:22 AM**

Thanks I came in on a Westjet flight from palm Sprigs & landed there .

They also swing gates 70 - 77 between international & Cross border as traffic requires

SpongeG · #**1528** Posted **Jun 5, 2009, 5:33 AM**

whats the timeline for the eastern expansion?

red-paladin · #**1529** Posted **Jun 5, 2009, 6:36 AM**

How many gates can service the A380s?
I can't wait to ride one, I don't care if I have to take a flight to Abu Dhabi

Gordon · #**1530** Posted **Jun 5, 2009, 2:18 PM**

I think 2 of the gates on the west Checron can handle the A 380 Probably D 58 & 64

officedweller · #**1531** Posted **Jun 10, 2009, 9:07 PM**

Global Air shots:

http://www.globalairphotos.com/gallery/BC/Richmond/Airport

May 23rd YVR shots:

excel · #**1532** Posted **Jun 10, 2009, 11:25 PM**

Nice!

GeeCee · #**1533** Posted **Jun 11, 2009, 12:14 AM**

Is that a Canada Line train on the track in the third image? Or am I just delusional?

Gordon · #**1534** Posted **Jun 11, 2009, 12:42 AM**

There's definitely a Canada Line train in the 3rd photo. The 3 gates on the NE Corner or the expansion look to be extremely close together. it almost looks that they migh not all be able to be used at once?

trofirhen · #**1535** Posted **Jun 11, 2009, 12:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Global Air shots:

http://www.globalairphotos.com/gallery/BC/Richmond/Airport

May 23rd YVR shots:

Thanks again for the comprehensive pictures. They leave three questions in my mind:
1. What will it all be like inside when it gets finished?
2. Is that nearly-empty parking lot with the big puddle at the end of the West Chevron also due for development?
3. Whatever happened to sad old Pier B? It looks as if it got left behind totally.

twoNeurons · #**1536** Posted **Jun 11, 2009, 1:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

How many gates can service the A380s?
I can't wait to ride one, I don't care if I have to take a flight to Abu Dhabi

I'm waiting for the 787. The A380 is a bigger bus. The 787 sounds like it will actually be a more comfy ride. I'm all for Greyhound over Articulated, if you know what I mean.

Gordon · #**1537** Posted **Jun 11, 2009, 2:13 AM**

Phase B of the West Chevron will be in that location . It will have 6 gates

Pier B will be upgraded next but with the economy that could be a while. Once Air Canada Consolidates in pier C Pier B will be very quiet only the odd West Jet flight at this point.

trofirhen · #**1538** Posted **Jun 12, 2009, 12:05 AM**

Here in Western Canada, particularly Vancouver, we often complain at how Air Toronto rigs things to protect itself in a so-called Open Market. Here's a juicy little example example of the tight-assed hypocrisy that limits some airlines from increasing their frequencies to Vancouver, and even to Toronto itself.

If you have time, click on this link and read what this AIR CANADA (what else) representative has to say about foreign airlines entering Canada. You might either laugh with cynicism, or grit your teeth in anger.

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090611/BUSINESS/706119949/1137

Gordon · #**1539** Posted **Jun 12, 2009, 7:27 PM**

Very interesting article , it makes you wonder how much Asian & European business YVR has lost.

SpongeG · #**1540** Posted **Jun 12, 2009, 10:48 PM**

it happens in all countries though - other than maybe the states - most countries protect their domestic routes