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Old Posted Jun 2, 2009, 4:57 AM
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Don't stop the debate!!!

Please don't stop the debate! I love this forum, and I think the debate in the previous posts are totally AUSTIN!

I appreciate the diverse opinions and passion... and there is nothing wrong with a little spirited debate. I enjoy debating how our tax dollars should be spent on the future of Austin, and that spicy bit of debate (and teasing) is what makes a skyscraperpage forum TASTY!

Personally, I think the city should spend it's money by investing in cutting edge architecture, infrastructure and public buildings... Can we agree that city hall is fantastic, expensive, but totally worth it?! I can't think of another city on earth that take my friends to visit to show them how cool a city is... if it's an interesting and high-quality project, it often pays for itself...

I certainly don't want Austin to be more like other Texas cities... Austin has a reputation for being great for a reason... and there's more to life than saving every last tax dollar... Ever heard the saying, "penny wise and pound foolish"???

I think some of us fundamentally disagree on what makes Austin great, and that can be a fun debate.

Finally, I have to disagree with the use of being a native-Austinite (or being middle-aged) to defend a viewpoint... I don't think there are any carpetbaggers in this forum, mostly just people who love their city, and we should be able to debate how our city should look without disqualifying each other's ideas based on how long each of us have lived in Austin or how old we are...

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any ideas what the final cost of construction is likely to be for Austonian and Four Seasons?

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Still looking for input on this, but for those interested I found credible info that the total project cost of the W is ~$250MM (construction, land, fees, sales, etc)
     
     
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When is one of you going to get us a photo of the (raised) crane at Austonian??
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2009, 10:35 PM
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I'll take one when I get home.

Oh, btw, they're moving up to the 48th floor today.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2009, 11:37 PM
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Looks like Spring's tower crane is finally coming down...
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Can we agree that city hall is fantastic, expensive, but totally worth it?!

LOL- huh??? i think Austin's city hall building is FUUUUGLY. seriously. i realize the people that picked the design wanted something "artsy" but really, they could have done a whole lot better. i mean the place was built just a few years ago but looks like it was constructed in the 70s. what's with all that rusty cheap looking tin metal paneling? they call it "copper-clad" but it looks like friggin RUST. and what's with that odd spike thing in the back? it looks totally out of place and FREAKISH. it's like it could be used on a movie set to impale someone.

i'm all for ART, and i'm all for eclectic art, but man everytime i see that city hall i cringe. i'm just waiting for the day the city outgrows it and has to move again or tear it down and rebuild. but that'll probably be decades away.
     
     
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could not disagree more.

Austin City Hall is great.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2009, 11:15 AM
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Here are a few distant skyline shots from my drive home (6/2). Pardon the quality:














This is from the River Place neighborhood (near 620 and 2222). The skyline is peeking above the antenna hill ridge(s).



A little to the north of the previous shot

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Old Posted Jun 3, 2009, 12:24 PM
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Austin's Starr Building to be reborn
Historic downtown building set to be new home to ad agency after renovations.




By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/06/03//0603office.html

Vacant and overlooked for four years, a 55-year-old downtown Austin building once heralded as an icon of midcentury modern design is about to be restored largely to its original state. The McGarrah Jessee advertising agency will move in next year as the new lead tenant.

Austin-based Kemp Properties plans to buy the Starr Building at West Sixth and Colorado streets, which until 2005 housed the state comptroller's office. Once the deal with the Texas General Land Office closes, likely in September, Kemp plans to renovate the 75,000-square-foot building and preserve many of its features, including a mural in the lobby created by renowned modern artist Seymour Fogel.

More than a half century ago, Fortune magazine included the mural on a short list of "the most distinguished national examples of architectural paintings." The building opened in 1954 as American National Bank. It had Austin's first escalators and the city's first drive-up bank. The interior was designed by Florence Knoll, an acclaimed designer. Much of the building's original marble, Travertine, stainless steel and wood laminate touches are intact.

Bill Ball, a partner in Kemp Properties, a real estate development and management company, was the development partner with LBJ Holding Co. in the 1998 renovation of downtown's Brown Building from offices to residences. McGarrah Jessee handled the advertising for the project at the time. Ball said he had been helping McGarrah Jessee look for a bigger office space, looking at dozens of sites over the past two years, when the Starr Building became available last year. Ball said McGarrah Jessee partners Mark McGarrah and Bryan Jessee are big fans of midcentury modernist design, incorporating it in both their existing offices at 205 Brazos Street as well as their homes. "This building was pretty easy for them to fall in love with," said Ball, who also is friends with McGarrah and Jessee, with whom he goes hunting and fishing. "There was an immediate connection." Ball said the ad agency plans to move in next summer, initially taking 25,000 square feet.

Kemp will seek restaurants, shops and nightlife venues for the retail space, creating what Ball hopes will become a distinctive entertainment and dining hub. Ball said the building could be ready for the first retail tenants by early 2010. With McGarrah Jessee, he said, "the building is going to have a certain cachet," he said. The agency's client list includes Shiner Beer, Whataburger and Frost Bank, for which McGarrah Jessee just rolled out a new multimedia advertising campaign.

Ball said Kemp will be selective in its choice of tenants and hopes to attract design-oriented businesses. "We can't have just any tenant go into this building," Ball said. "We want it to be a very energetic, creative center. The people, the chemistry and the vibe are going to be the paramount consideration for this project."

Kemp has a track record of renovating historic buildings downtown, with projects including the Littlefield and Scarbrough buildings, as well as Norwood Tower and the Brown Building. "Older buildings are tricky, and there are a lot of things you can only learn from experience," Ball said. "There's no textbook." Ball envisions the same kind of success for the Starr project as the Brown Building. On the ground floor, Gumbo's restaurant and the Brown Bar have been popular draws despite being somewhat off the main downtown path.

Ball said the Starr Building has a more central location, "essentially next to ground zero in downtown Austin," Sixth and Congress. Eric Webber, a managing partner with McGarrah Jessee, notes that the refurbished building "won't be totally retro." "There will be contemporary touches, like using very innovative techniques for sustainable and green design," Webber said. The building was considered cutting-edge when it was built, Webber said, "and the rehabilitation of the building will be considered the same."

Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson said the state received interest from several parties for the building, but Kemp's offer was "the highest, best or both." He said he can't disclose the offer price because the deal hasn't closed. Preserving Fogel's mural, Patterson said, was a condition of any sale. Patterson likes Kemp's plans for the building. "Restoring old buildings and retaining their flavor, while making them modern and energy-efficient, is a good thing to do," Patterson said, "particularly in a place like Austin, where not too long ago we were tearing everything down and building multistory high-rises or downtown office buildings without regard to historical preservation."

The project's design architect is San Antonio-based Overland Partners, known for developing sustainable and ecologically minded projects, including the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center and the LBJ School renovation. The mechanical engineering firm is Arup Engineering, known for the "Bird's Nest" and "Watercube" buildings from the 2008 Beijing Olympics. The interior design firm for McGarrah Jessee's new space is locally based McKinney York Architects.

Ball said the building will probably be renamed, but a name hasn't been selected yet. "We will leave that up to the very capable McGarrah Jessee firm," he said.

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Interesting...just read that on the Statesman site. If i recall, a few years ago there was talk of a highrise going up on that site. Perhaps it was just an idea thrown out there by one of the bidders for the property. In any event, its good to see that building brought back to life. It had become somewhat of an eyesore in that vibrant area of downtown.
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I, for probably one of the few on here, an VERY HAPPY to see this. Looks like the right people saw the potential of the building. I think people will be quite happy with the outcome. I did not know Knoll did the original interiors. Very cool.

I am also happy that not every possible space that could be a highrise is being built now. It, in the long run , makes for a very boring skyline. Too many buildings built in one era can date a city in not a good way. Texture is good.
     
     
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Well, I did see a tripod set up about 20 feet away. Maybe that was you?
Probably so. I'm sure just about everyone on this thread has crossed paths at some point.
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Found this link in Bizjournals. Some interesting notes in this report... they believe Austin and San Antonio will be equal in metro population in 2025. DFW will have nearly 1M more people than the Houston metro area.

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin...l?surround=lfn

Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 11:18am CDT\
Report: Austin will be 5th fastest growing U.S. metro in coming years
Austin Business Journal

The population of the Austin metro area will grow to more than 2.7 million by the year 2025, according to an analysis of government data by bizjournals.

The projected growth rate of Austin and its suburbs ranks 5th among 250 U.S. metropolitan areas studied in the report.

Bizjournals forecasts that the Austin-Round Rock area will grow nearly 87 percent from its 2005 estimated population of nearly 1.5 million to a 2025 projected population of 2.7 million, an increase of nearly 1.3 million residents.

Austin will see the most growth of any Texas city, according to the bizjournals analysis. The McAllen-Edinburg area will be the second-fastest growing metro in Texas, ranking 22nd on the list with an estimated 56 percent growth in population.

Among the major Texas cities:


Dallas/Fort Worth ranks 26th with a projected 50 percent population increase to 8.8 million people;
Houston ranks 27th with a projected 48 percent population increase to 7.9 million people;
San Antonio ranks 40th with a projected 41 percent population increase to 2.7 million people.

Click here for the full bizjournals growth report on U.S. metro-area growth.

And click here for a chart showing the breakdown across metros.
     
     
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Has there been news on the Ashton thread lately? On the construction thread, nothing has shown up in over a week.
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Has there been news on the Ashton thread lately? On the construction thread, nothing has shown up in over a week.
As of Monday, developer says models ready third week in June. Move in early July. Two months free. They are not cutting corners. The are installing an aluminum roof that few people will ever see!
     
     
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Except for the Austonians
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Stacy occupants too. But the roof they see will be the the second or third replacement. Not the one the Ashton has right now. Also the 2025 figures are wrong. Austin will not be 2.7 million and San Antonio will not be that population either. They will both be 5.4 million as the Austin San Antonio metro area.
     
     
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First, one shot of the crane coming down at the Spring. Awesome light this morning, makes the photo look like a rendering almost:




Went to the mall after work, thought I would stop and take a few shots. The skyline always looks great from there, and we had some nice clouds form late afternoon:




Then I drove over to the Zilker Clubhouse before heading home:










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