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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 7:51 PM
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The W hotel is still in the early stages of construction and by the time it gets close to being topped out, we may possibly have some projects that are on hold now finally start up.
I hope you're right.


Speaking of cranes, they doubtless have to raise the Austonian crane this weekend. I can't see them slipping another level in under its current height.
     
     
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Also speaking of cranes... when do you think the Spring crane will be dismantled? Seems like they could have done it weeks ago. I've been wondering if they will use it to haul up a couple of trees for the rooftop -- the rendering, IIRC, had some trees up there...
     
     
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...Every time I see the Texas State Capitol building, or the University of Texas Clock Tower I get pissed off. What were those tax and spend liberals thinking blowing our money on such extravagances?
The capitol was paid for by out-of-state investors who accepted land (in the panhandle, IIRC, which the State owned way too much of) as payment. The UT tower (which replaced the bat-infested, firetrap Old Main) was paid for by the PUF (oil money). Have you ever wondered why the Santa Rita oil rig is on display at Trinity/San Jacinto and MLK? Texas was the greatest oil producing region in the entire world at the time and much of it was under PUF land, so we could easily afford the new main building then. What would Kuwait University build as it's main building today?

The State had resources to sell back then. Austin's dreamers prefer debt to fund their extravagant boondoggles. The more bonds you sell, the lower your bond rating goes, and so the greater the discount you have to offer on your bonds for the next offering. Then one day the City will find that it REALLY needs a new water or sewer plant and we won't be able to raise the money to build it. Jefferson County (Birmingham), Alabama is going into Chapter 9 bankruptcy because their sewer system can no longer be funded by debt.

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And don't get me started on the Austin airport, City Hall, Butler Park and it's fountain draining our tax dollars away, or any of the other countless "exciting" boondoggles plaguing our city.
The airport generates revenue to pay-off the bonds (at least as long as oil stays under $200/bbl); we charge airlines for gates, landing fees, and other services, we get a piece of the action from every vendor in the place, and we charge for parking. The airport is paying for itself.

The previous city hall (as opposed to the council chambers) was the building at 8th & Colorado and was hopelessly antiquated, overcrowded, and couldn't be expanded. The cost of keeping the ancient air conditioning running or replacing it, and asbestos abatement alone justified a new facility.

The Butler family donated the park land to the city, and parks should have things like fountains and other attractions so I'm going to ignore your generous offer of a strawman.

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Yeah, and don't forget Zilker Park and the land around Town lake. What a waste of space. The city should definitely lease all of it to the highest bidder.
Trying to change the topic to something asinine doesn't change the facts of the previous topic. Back to the issue of bond debt, Barton Springs was given to the City by Mr. Zilker, who later offered another 300 acres to the city for $200,000, which was funded by a bond offering. That's $3.2 million in today's inflation-ravaged dollars, or $10.7K per acre, so see my earlier comments about taking advantage of exceptional deals.

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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 10:12 PM
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Yeah, but they still made all of those projects way too fancy. They could have done them for a lot less, and saved us countless millions. Then we could have used that money for important stuff.
     
     
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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 11:23 PM
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Yeah, but they still made all of those projects way too fancy. They could have done them for a lot less, and saved us countless millions. Then we could have used that money for important stuff.
Childishly exaggerating your opponent's position isn't debate. It's just childish. You haven't tried crying yet; maybe that will work.
     
     
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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 11:25 PM
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Question Completed Ashton

Does anybody know when the Ashton is going to be done?
It seems to be taking forever!
Thanks in advance to anybody who replies.

I'm also questioning this with Four Seasons Hotel and Residences.

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Yeah, but they still made all of those projects way too fancy. They could have done them for a lot less, and saved us countless millions. Then we could have used that money for important stuff.
I dunno...seems like a big part of what attracts people to Austin is all the nice things we have. I know I'm willing to pay for these things. But I know that there are folks who feel differently and that's fine, too, as long as it's not just political jargon (e.g., Rush Limbaughisms).
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 5:53 AM
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to say a big thanks for creating this blog. I have been an avid reader and viewer for many months now and always enjoy the pictures and observations posted here. I'm new to Austin only been here 2 years but I'm already in love with this place!! The company I work for is an interior design firm and we worked on the 360 and are now working with the Austonian so I'm fortunate to be a very very small party of the emerging Austin. Keep up the good work and hopefully I'll get some pics up here soon.
     
     
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Four Seasons Tops-Out

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Just less than half of the 148 units in the Four Seasons Residences are under contract, said Brett Denton of Ardent Residential, which is developing the project along with owner Post Properties Inc., based in Atlanta.

Asked how the economy is affecting sales, Denton said, "We continue to have great traffic, and we continue to sell condominiums."

Units are priced from $400,000 to $4 million. The building is expected to open in the first quarter of 2010.

Meanwhile, the Austonian, under construction at Congress Avenue and Second Street, will become Austin's tallest building within weeks when work starts on the 47th floor. That condominium tower, which will reach 56 stories, is expected to be complete next spring.


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An evergreen was lifted to the roof while construction workers on the ground celebrated and signed a poster. In the background, left, the Austonian continues to rise and will become Austin's tallest building.


Alberto Martínez/AMERICAN-STATESMAN
The Four Seasons Residences, under construction on East Cesar Chavez Street had a 'topping out' ceremony Friday to commemorate the building reaching its maximum height.


Alberto Martínez/AMERICAN-STATESMAN
The Four Seasons Residences

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Childishly exaggerating your opponent's position isn't debate. It's just childish. You haven't tried crying yet; maybe that will work.
Why would you be so mean to me? I actually agree with you. Please don't internet bully me, Northcrossed.
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 7:46 PM
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to say a big thanks for creating this blog. I have been an avid reader and viewer for many months now and always enjoy the pictures and observations posted here. I'm new to Austin only been here 2 years but I'm already in love with this place!! The company I work for is an interior design firm and we worked on the 360 and are now working with the Austonian so I'm fortunate to be a very very small party of the emerging Austin. Keep up the good work and hopefully I'll get some pics up here soon.

Welcome! Look forward to seeing those photos.
     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 8:09 PM
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From this morning.

Austonian crane is going up today:










W Hotel and Residences. You can see the steel beams going up around the theater portion. Other than that, the building is pretty uninteresting so far. Just a big block.
















About this time we happened to run into MichaelB and his better half!

Four Seasons Residences. Can't see the tree from this angle.




Spiro's night club. The spray-painted numbers are for marking bullet-holes from the recent shooting:

     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 8:13 PM
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Yeah, but they still made all of those projects way too fancy. They could have done them for a lot less, and saved us countless millions. Then we could have used that money for important stuff.
I was hoping your earlier comments were just sarcasm about city hall, the parks, Capitol and UT Tower. But I guess not. The heavy detail of the Capitol was just the style of the day. I mean everything from that era was heavily ornate. Just look at old furniture. I'm glad we have a huge ornate Capitol. At least it's not a drab 70s box with a handful of windows. It didn't cost much either, basically paid for with land. I complain more about the "efficient" and economical government buildings that were built in the last 3 decades. Just look at the giant ug-o state office buildings north of the Capitol. We can do better than that and demand better too. When you whine about the cost, you get crap. Architecture is one thing where you truly get what you pay for. If it's cheap, it'll be cheap.

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Childishly exaggerating your opponent's position isn't debate. It's just childish. You haven't tried crying yet; maybe that will work.
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Why would you be so mean to me? I actually agree with you. Please don't internet bully me, Northcrossed.
Chill out guys.

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Hi everyone, I just wanted to say a big thanks for creating this blog. I have been an avid reader and viewer for many months now and always enjoy the pictures and observations posted here. I'm new to Austin only been here 2 years but I'm already in love with this place!! The company I work for is an interior design firm and we worked on the 360 and are now working with the Austonian so I'm fortunate to be a very very small party of the emerging Austin. Keep up the good work and hopefully I'll get some pics up here soon.
Hey, that's good to hear. Welcome to Austin, and our forum.
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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 8:44 PM
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For the W, roughly where we're at right now. Basically just now starting on the tower portion.

     
     
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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 9:37 PM
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Great shots Priller! Austonian looking more and more impressive for every floor added. I figured the crane would be jacked up this weekend...very little clearence at this point. Also looking forward to the cladding once it reaches the setback.

Here are a few distant pics of Downtown from the past week. As I mentioned earlier, I grabbed some shots on the northeast side of town:







This is from Cameron/Dessau Road, between Rundberg and Braker Lane (pardon the ubiquitous electrical wires):





This is a distant shot from Pflugerville



This is from Burnet at Shoreline, just south of Round Rock (atop the Martin Hill ridge):



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Nice photos Mopacs! I figured out that photos keep this blog going. Because when there's no photos, the blog only travels up by around 5 posts, only rarely going over 10.

A question I want to ask is when W Austin Hotel and Residences will be finished. Did they give out an certain date yet?

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^Nice shots. I always like your skyline hunting trips.

I was in Northeast Austin yesterday too. Out on 183 near MLK. Good god, the view from 183 out there is amazing. You can hardly recognize the skyline. It literally looks like a different city. The shape and size of the skyline is really different from what I'm used to with all the usual views I see. The view with The Austonian crowning over the trees from certain points made me think of certain views of Houston. I snapped a photo, but it didn't come out very good since it was from the highway and getting dark. I'll have to go back again sometime with the tripod and really get some photos. The view of the skyline at sunset crossing the river at Montopolis was stunning.

I see you got the Buda elevators too! Crazy shots from Pflugerville and Round Rock. That's really far out. And the Texas Monthly Office Building is showing up nice here. Too bad the design couldn't have been better for such a prominent spot.
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There are some very impressive views of downtown on the 130 tollway as well. Yesterday while riding I noticed the views right around the time we were crossing the Colorado River.
     
     
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I was hoping your earlier comments were just sarcasm... ...Chill out guys.
Sorry, I thought it was sarcasm, too. I've never found myself on the same side of an issue as someone who sincerely uses the term "tax and spend liberals", though I've re-calibrated the range of views posted on this topic and now find myself somewhere in the middle. I'm not against justified spending on civic projects, but I oppose taking on more debt to buy new things when our existing things can easily be repurposed (and are still being paid for). I'm chilled.
     
     
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Mopacs's *Amazing* Prediction of Posts

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LOL.. I figured the "Austonian" announcement would push this thread over the top (2000+ posts). Count this post as 1998
That prediction is really far from the actual. 5,281-2,000=3,281
Wow! you're 3,281 posts behind.
There's also many more posts to come...

Also, counting the post as 1998 is easy for our prediction...


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