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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 3:26 AM
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I like those lamps a lot. But am I the only one that thinks that in some of the shots KE looks pretty suburban?
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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 4:51 AM
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I like those lamps a lot. But am I the only one that thinks that in some of the shots KE looks pretty suburban?

You're not the only one... and this is exactly what we're talking about. Because of its extremely high usage and frozen development, it is remarquably strange for a major street in the core. Maybe it is doomed to become a mini expressway.
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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 1:14 PM
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If they bury the overhead wires won't they have to dig up the sidewalks and crosswalks again, from the pics it looks like some of the posts are on finished parts of the crosswalks.
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You're not the only one... and this is exactly what we're talking about. Because of its extremely high usage and frozen development, it is remarquably strange for a major street in the core. Maybe it is doomed to become a mini expressway.
It doesn't look nearly as suburban as it used to though in the old design.

I'd make it an urban street with street-level frontage personally, but that requires a new corridor connecting to the Macdonald-Cartier Bridge to cut the traffic significantly - whether that is a ban on most trucks (after Kettle Island is built), a new tunnelled highway (very expensive but useful) or a reconnection to an upgraded and realigned Vanier Parkway (not recommended IMO).
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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 2:08 PM
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It doesn't look nearly as suburban as it used to though in the old design.

I'd make it an urban street with street-level frontage personally, but that requires a new corridor connecting to the Macdonald-Cartier Bridge to cut the traffic significantly - whether that is a ban on most trucks (after Kettle Island is built), a new tunnelled highway (very expensive but useful) or a reconnection to an upgraded and realigned Vanier Parkway (not recommended IMO).
True.. I completely agree with you.
Note that there is no highway connecting the 2 expressway systems (ontario-quebec), and this is the source of the problem.
Kettle Island wil solve the truck problem but regular traffic will continue to increase.. this is a major dilema. Maybe more people will start using public transit. We'll see, but in their place, I would tunnel that thing right away. Just cut and cover.
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True.. I completely agree with you.
Note that there is no highway connecting the 2 expressway systems (ontario-quebec), and this is the source of the problem.
Kettle Island wil solve the truck problem but regular traffic will continue to increase.. this is a major dilema. Maybe more people will start using public transit. We'll see, but in their place, I would tunnel that thing right away. Just cut and cover.
It doesn't fully solve the problem with the current plan, since there are no improvements planned to Montee Paiement (a below-grade freeway would be best there, with a service road on the east side to serve the houses already there).

Public transit doesn't solve anything with the trucks.
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It doesn't look nearly as suburban as it used to though in the old design.

I'd make it an urban street with street-level frontage personally, but that requires a new corridor connecting to the Macdonald-Cartier Bridge to cut the traffic significantly - whether that is a ban on most trucks (after Kettle Island is built), a new tunnelled highway (very expensive but useful) or a reconnection to an upgraded and realigned Vanier Parkway (not recommended IMO).
What really does it for me is the grass boulevards. Id be much happier with wider sidewalks. That could help to increase development. Some nice mixed use with a couple shops and patios fronting the street. But then again who would want to sit on a patio out front with THAT MUCH traffic zooming by
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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 3:22 PM
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What really does it for me is the grass boulevards. Id be much happier with wider sidewalks. That could help to increase development. Some nice mixed use with a couple shops and patios fronting the street. But then again who would want to sit on a patio out front with THAT MUCH traffic zooming by
I share your thoughs. Actually, KE screems to be like you described... it's its true nature.
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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 8:17 PM
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I share your thoughs. Actually, KE screems to be like you described... it's its true nature.
Like some of the other posters mentioned, it can't be the main route to the bridge and for traffic to get to the highways in Quebec.

Whats the option? Im really not sure. Someone mentioned a tunnel. Would be nice but I don't see it happening. Massive speed bumps? More traffic lights?
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Old Posted May 28, 2009, 8:22 PM
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Does anyone know how far down the grass boulevards go? By the first drawing in the thread it looks like York or George st maybe?
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What really does it for me is the grass boulevards. Id be much happier with wider sidewalks. That could help to increase development. Some nice mixed use with a couple shops and patios fronting the street. But then again who would want to sit on a patio out front with THAT MUCH traffic zooming by
it's not just the amount of traffic, but the type of traffic. Trucks driving by are FAR louder than cars.
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Old Posted May 29, 2009, 3:46 AM
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it's not just the amount of traffic, but the type of traffic. Trucks driving by are FAR louder than cars.
If they said no trucks on KE, what are the alternatives?
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If they said no trucks on KE, what are the alternatives?
We have to wait until the Kettle Island bridge is built for that to happen. The trucks coming from the east could cross in Hawksbury, but the road on the other side is just not built for that kind of traffic.
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What really does it for me is the grass boulevards. Id be much happier with wider sidewalks. That could help to increase development. Some nice mixed use with a couple shops and patios fronting the street. But then again who would want to sit on a patio out front with THAT MUCH traffic zooming by
.....AND loads of homeless & crackheads, which IMO is even worse than traffic. In Europe you see many big boulevards with massive traffic and patios/restaurants.
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King Edward Lane Reduction Study Open House on 4 March 2010

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City staff have worked with members of the King Edward Avenue Task Force and Dillon Consulting Limited to carry out a comparative analysis of three alternative scenarios:
Scenario 1: Six-lane configuration (the ‘status-quo’)
Scenario 2: Six-lane hybrid configuration
Scenario 3: Four-lane configuration.
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I hadn't realized that this was still lurking out here. I have to wonder if this is a useful exercise/use of tax dollars? Good of them to hold the Open House at Routhier though - that should ensure a solid turnout of people in favour of the status quo!
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2010, 5:24 AM
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I'm supportive of most efforts to reduce the free flow of automobile traffic on this almost-freeway running through our city's core.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2010, 12:29 AM
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Fewer KEA lanes may mean longer rush hour
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http://www.emcottawaeast.ca/20100312...nger+rush+hour

EMC News - Reducing King Edward Avenue (KEA) from six to four lanes may extend the afternoon rush hour in Lowertown.

"That might extend into a period that might extend from 3 to 6 p.m.," explained Rory Baksh, a community planner with Dillon Consulting, who has been doing computer modeling on the lane reduction study for the City of Ottawa.

He estimates that the worst of the afternoon rush hour in the area is usually from 3:30 to 5 p.m. Baksh's reporting from the first phase of the King Edward Avenue Lane Reduction Study found that the "Duration of impact could be 2.5 hours during PM peak period," if lanes were reduced.

During a later telephone interview, Baksh noted that while the above information "was an example given, it was not definitive," he added that "when we modeled the four lane scenario, there appeared to be some additional congestion," though he and his group were unable to nail down how much longer rush hour would last on a four-lane road, beyond the 2.5 hour window. "There may be a rush hour period that goes beyond 2.5 hours with a five and four lane road."

Motorists would also notice a difference with a four or five lane road heading northbound during the afternoon rush hour as well.

"It should take you an extra minute to get from Rideau Street to the top of the corridor," said Baksh.

The study also looked at a number of variables, using computer modeling and found that, on the whole, reducing lanes on KEA would not make a noticeable impact. Pedestrian crossings were not affected, and neither would walking times from Sussex Drive to Rideau Street or cycling.

"Thing change a bit," said Baksh, when transit was factored in, "with the 4-lane Configuration experiencing the highest transit travel times," along the route at two minutes and 40 seconds, between the Macdonald-Cartier Bridge and Rideau Street, according to computer model results. The results also showed that the "4-lane Configuration has the poorest reliability with travel time around 3 minutes, 45 seconds," in the afternoon rush hour.

Baksh was speaking at a public consultation meeting on the KEA Lane Reduction Study being looked at by the City of Ottawa, at the Routhier Community Centre, 172 Guigues Avenue, on the evening of Thursday, March 4. Baksh and his team were seeking the input of Lowertown and area residents to "guide" a recommendation to the City of Ottawa's Transportation Committee when the issue is scheduled to be put before them on Wednesday, May 5.

Baksh was quick to point out, however, that neighbouring areas like Sandy Hill and Vanier should not worry about traffic spilling over into their areas under a possible lane reduction.

"If you put the squeeze on a transit connection, that does not guarantee that it (traffic) will shoot elsewhere," he said, and the study found that there would be little impact on neighbouring areas for overflow traffic.

The study also made some interesting conclusions regarding air pollution. A five-lane road would result in "a range of higher and lower concentrations," of air pollution than a six lane road, but a four lane road would result in lower concentrations of air pollution. All three options did not result in a greater or lesser amount of noise pollution.

But the issue of congestion did impact on issue of the environmental.

During the recent construction on the major KEA/Rideau Street intersection last summer,

"there was a bit of congestion but things were still getting through...KEA seems to operate okay when it is down to four lanes," said Baksh. But, he later admitted that "if it takes longer for all the traffic to get through...then those emissions haven't really disappeared."

Another aspect of the issue that Baksh's report looked at was the parking that is allowed on KEA during off-peak hours. The number of spots, however, would drop significantly under the proposed changes. Currently, there are 556 parking spots on the six lane stretch, but only 200 would be available under a five lane proposal, and even then, only on the southbound lane. No parking would be available under the four lane proposal.

"No computer exists that can tell you what quality of life will be like," in the future, after the plans have been implemented, he said.

Baksh noted that reducing the lanes on major thoroughfares in cities is not without precedent, pointing to New York City as an example.

"Most folks are familiar with New York traffic because they know about gridlock," he said. In New York nowadays, though, "they are taking lanes out and giving them back to the community," making them either bike lanes, or to accommodate widening the sidewalks.

"What happens to that lane (when it is removed) is a separate conversation," said Baksh. He admitted that the lane could be partially used for small in-and-out lanes, allowing residential traffic to slow down to enter or exit small off-street, but that that had not been part of the computer modeling.

The meeting was attended, and addressed, by Ward 12 (Rideau-Vanier) City Councillor Georges Bedard grew up at the intersection of Bruyere Street and KEA and "that was when it was two lanes!" While it may not return to those days, even under the study, Coun. Bedard stated that he wanted "to return King Edward Avenue to a residential street."

KEA has been undergoing a $50 million dollar renovation for many years now, which will "make it a more interesting street, but this (lane reduction) is the next step."

Along with lane reduction, Coun. Bedard pushed for a new interprovincial bridge that would finally remove trucks from KEA since "downtown is not the place for trucks."
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2010, 4:27 AM
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there's some info/modelling results on the city's website
http://ottawa.ca/residents/public_co.../index_en.html
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2010, 11:27 AM
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I thought they'd done all of the new street scaping between Rideau and Sussex already? Wouldn't reconfiguring the lanes mean they would have to redo all they work they've already done. Like if they did lane reductions?
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