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Old Posted May 22, 2009, 9:11 PM
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The older the bus it is, the more maintenance cost it requires. At some point in time, it would be cheaper just to get a new one than keeping the bus in service. For instance, when a bus that breaks down often, you lost revenue due to the lost in service, need extra bus and drive for back up, and then more cost to fix it. I don't know how much money it will actually save from getting an old bus that can be used for a few year compared to just getting a new one and use them much longer.
     
     
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Old Posted May 22, 2009, 9:19 PM
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Where do people come up with a number like "500 more buses". Sorry but the bus drivers' union doesn't exactly sound like an objective source.

I know certain routes are super busy (99, 20), but 500 buses?
     
     
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Old Posted May 22, 2009, 9:25 PM
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The Bus Driver's Union has a website www.morebusesnow.com that says Translink could get 100 used buses from California and have them in servce in months which would partially alieviate the 500 bus shortage.
Maybe I should point out how they can play with the numbers. The plan states that Translink should have the bus fleet size of 1600, but the site says that CMBC currently have 1100 bus on the road during peak hours. Those numbers are very different. Currently, CMBC have a fleet size of around 1380, and when you add West Van and shuttle contractor, you end up with around 1490. This number will grow to around 1630 by the end of this year. So this is certainly much less than 500 buses short. But then I agree, more bus would be nice.
     
     
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Old Posted May 22, 2009, 9:27 PM
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I think Translink's had a 5 year service plan that said the wanted to expand the fleet to 1600 buses by 2006 or 07or there abouts, right now we are just over 1100 buses.
     
     
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Where do people come up with a number like "500 more buses". Sorry but the bus drivers' union doesn't exactly sound like an objective source.

I know certain routes are super busy (99, 20), but 500 buses?
I think a lot of the buses would be allocated to the suburbs, especially South of Fraser which could use a few hundred buses, Pitt Meadows, Maple Ridge, Richmond. Surrey has about the same density as Edmonton but less than 50% of the bus service.
     
     
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Old Posted May 23, 2009, 3:33 AM
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Somewhat not related, but I'm now at Phoenix, AZ for 6 days. I've just taken the light rail an hour ago. Man, we're doing very good in Vancouver in terms of transit and urban planning, despite our numerous shortfalls. The time I spent in downtime Phoenix, even at arond 1630h, the streetscape is essentially dead, with very little cars and almost no pedestrians. It was SO quiet. The downtown comprised pretty much of two stadiums, a few business towers and the convention centre (I'm there for a work-related conference). There's almost no retail stores at all, apart from a few buildings.

I was talking to another guy who lives around this area, and he told me the light rail system was built to encourage more people living around the railway, but so far I think it's been a total failure. There's one condo (it's quite West Coast looking) in the downtown area in which ONLY 10 people current live in there. The places that light rail goes through are pretty much dump, apart from Arizona State University. The city is so sprawled out that it's hard to imagine. Added to the effects of the economy, Phoenix is almost a dead city nowadays. People are literally talking about 20-30miles each when they were talking about different places, even malls etc. Throughout the entire light rail line, I couldn't even see a mall even with a size of Lougheed Mall.

So enjoy with what we have in Vancouver, guys!!!

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Old Posted May 23, 2009, 5:18 AM
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I think a lot of the buses would be allocated to the suburbs, especially South of Fraser which could use a few hundred buses, Pitt Meadows, Maple Ridge, Richmond. Surrey has about the same density as Edmonton but less than 50% of the bus service.
Bus service blows big time in surrey
i remember when i lost my license and had to use the bus
ever since then i've behaved to keep my license so i dont need to deal with buses again
     
     
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Old Posted May 23, 2009, 10:51 AM
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Where do people come up with a number like "500 more buses". Sorry but the bus drivers' union doesn't exactly sound like an objective source.
You are right. I'm sure passing by people in the rain because your bus is jampacked makes you not an bjective source. Just try taking the bus during rush hour.
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2009, 12:08 AM
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It also says that 58% of Monteal's & Toronto's bus routes hae hedways of 10minutes or less whereas Vancouver has only 12% of it's routes with those heasways.
I was bored after missing my connection, so I counted the headway table posted at the station. The minimum of 15min headway is achieved by 94/206 routes = 46% during AM peak and 91/206 = 44% during PM peak (I have excluded #242 and all night bus from the total). But this number doesn't take into account all the obvious interlining eg. 160/190, 211/292, 259/C12, 316/391, 321/394, 345/375, 602/603/604, 606/C86, 608/C88, etc. that would most likely be counted as a single route by Toronto's numbering scheme. And I'm not even sure if a route like 292 and C90 would even counted as a regular bus route.. they are more like "specials".
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2009, 2:09 AM
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Column: Subway to UBC still a financial pipe dream

By Miro Cernetig, Vancouver Sun columnist - May 24, 2009 6:37 PM

One of the next big megaplans the provincial government is contemplating is tunneling a subway under Vancouver’s west side, stretching from near City Hall to the University of British Columbia. It’s a bold, forward-looking idea that will cost $3 billion.

But it’s also an idea far too ahead of its time.

The government — and its public transit agency, TransLink — needs to be looking in the other direction when it comes to public transit. The next major infusion of public transit money needs to be directed toward the outskirts of Metro Vancouver, where a population boom is underway that will transform the city.

But first, let’s get back to that $3-billion tunnel through Vancouver’s west side to the University of British Columbia.

It’s hard not to like a pipe dream like this. In theory it will take thousands of cars off the roads, we’d get rid of the crowding on buses and perhaps stimulate higher-density condo building. It will supposedly help reduce our carbon footprint.

Here’s a little-heard reality check, though.

Aside from the occasionally stop-and-go traffic on Broadway between Cambie and Granville streets, there are no real traffic jams out to the university. Vancouver’s west side is a slow-growth area when compared to the other areas of Metro Vancouver.

A subway to UBC is also a questionable economic deal.

Let’s suppose 100,000 people would use that $3-billion rail line — a ridership figure far, far in the future. If it was financed at five per cent a year for 30 years, the actual construction cost to the taxpayer would be $5.8 billion.

That means about $58,000 per rider. Put another way, those 100,000 riders would have to ride the rails every day, seven days a week, for $5 apiece, for more than 30 years to pay down the investment. And that wouldn’t even begin to pay for the system’s operating costs.

But aside from the humongous bill, it’s the population growth statistics that don’t support this megaproject.

Metro Vancouver’s population was estimated at 2.2 million people in 2006. By 2031, 25 years from now, the population will grow to 3.2 million. That’s about a 45-per-cent increase.

But you have to ask yourself where that growth will be. It’s certainly not spread out equally. And it’s not going to be on Vancouver’s expensive west side.

Statistics show the City of Vancouver, which would be the biggest beneficiary of the UBC rail line, will grow from a population of 607,000 to 709,000 by 2031. That’s a modest 17-per-cent increase.

Contrast that to Abbotsford, Coquitlam, Langley Township and Surrey. According to an analysis from the office of Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts, those four “high-growth-communities” will grow collectively at a rate of approximately 20,800 people per year, meaning an additional 520,000 by the year 2031.

The current population of those communities in 2006 was about 770,000. It will reach 1.29 million people by 2031. That means a 67-per-cent boost in population.

It means in less than a generation, we will have the equivalent of Canada’s fourth-largest city sitting on the edge of Metro Vancouver. That means more cars, more traffic jams and more greenhouse gas emissions that will erode our standard of living.

Yet there’s little talk amongst our megaplanners of extending a rapid-rail system out to those fast-growing communities.

But ask them these questions: Should the City of Vancouver — which will grow by 17 per cent in 2031 — get a $3-billion public-transit rail line? Or should we be thinking of putting that public infrastructure in an area growing four times faster than the City of Vancouver and save us from turning into Los Angeles north?

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Old Posted May 25, 2009, 4:38 AM
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By Kelly Sinoski and Doug Ward, Vancouver Sun - May 24, 2009 8:27 PM


Monthly passes for the West Coast Express are on the rise as commuters leave their cars behind.
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VANCOUVER — More long-haul commuters are buying monthly transit passes and riding the West Coast Express as they start to feel the squeeze of the recession.

At the same time, a decline in the number of vehicles on the road has contributed to a drop in claims for the Insurance Corporation of B.C. during the first quarter of 2009. ICBC spokesman Mark Jan Vrem said claims and related costs dropped to $735 million from $761 million compared with the same period in 2008.

“We are theorizing that the downturn in the economy means that people aren’t driving as much. Or they may have a second car and have decided not to insure and drive it,” Jan Vrem said.

TransLink spokesman Drew Snider said the number of two- and three-zone fare cards sold in the first three months of this year rose by five per cent and two per cent respectively over 2008, while sales of concession cards jumped by 10 per cent. (Concession fares are available for students, seniors and people with disabilities.)

Although ridership numbers have remained flat or dipped on buses and SkyTrain so far this year, Snider said the West Coast Express posted a 4.8-per-cent increase in passengers during the first quarter.

This, along with the boost in fare card sales, shows more people are committed to taking public transit, especially on longer journeys, he said.

The rise in concession card sales also indicates more seniors are trying “to pull in their horns where they can.”

Although Snider said it was too early to say whether the economy triggered the boost in fare card sales, he concedes it’s more than likely, noting that commuters typically turn to transit when gas prices go up or it costs more to drive.

Passenger trips rose to 302.4 million last year, up 2.9 per cent from a year earlier.

“With the economy, they’re trying to get the best deal they can and monthly fare cards are a great deal,” Snider said. “It probably has a lot to do with the economy, but we can’t say that [with certainty] right now.”

BC Ferries is also feeling the effects of the recession, with passenger numbers down four per cent and vehicle traffic down 4.9 per cent for March and April, while the May long weekend was flat.

Meanwhile, ICBC said the drop in claims helped the auto insurance provider post strong financial results for this year’s first three months despite the economic problems. Net income for the first quarter was $117 million, up from $102 million for the same period in 2008.

“We are pleased with our financial results given the tough economic times we are all experiencing,” ICBC president and CEO Jon Schubert said in a media statement.

“In particular, the continuing decline in the number and cost of injury claims is good news for our customers.

“Good weather and improved claims-handling procedures have benefited our customers and had a positive impact on our net income.”

The economic downturn has also caused premiums to decline to $843 million from January to March of this year compared to $860 million in the first quarter of 2008 as fewer people bought insurance.

ICBC’s investment income for the first quarter was $123 million, about the same as the same period in 2008. The majority of its portfolio is invested in high-quality bonds.

ICBC’s Schubert said the agency’s financial strength means that it will be able to reduce optional rates for 2009 by an average of three per cent, effective Oct. 1, while keeping basic rates the same for the year.

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Old Posted May 25, 2009, 6:47 AM
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and we still see govt inaction on improving transit....
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2009, 7:15 AM
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and we still see govt inaction on improving transit....
No, the Canada Line is opening in 3 months.
     
     
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I saw new signage being installed at Waterfront Station.
I think it is the same kind as the Canada line
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2009, 2:45 PM
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I agree with Miro Cernetig there...I don't think tunneling through a low growth, low density area makes much sense. I'm all for tunneling to Burrard or Arbutus, then bus west from there. That would save a ridiculous amount of money.
     
     
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I think that that alot of the overloads problems on the #99 can be dealt with by finally getting the B Line alon 41st ave going.

One thing that could be done with the UBC line it could be phased in . Tunnel all the way to UBC but maybe only thave the track only as far Arbutus which wold allow funds to be deployed in other parts of the system, and also that way they could gauge the ridership and if a line is really needed all the way to UBC.
     
     
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You are right. I'm sure passing by people in the rain because your bus is jampacked makes you not an bjective source. Just try taking the bus during rush hour.
Are you trying to be sarcastic? I didn't say more buses weren't needed. I'm sure a few choice routes could benefit from extra buses with service every 7 mins instead of every 10 during rush hour for example, but my point was "500 extra buses" seemed to be a number pulled from the sky.
     
     
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Old Posted May 25, 2009, 3:43 PM
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and we still see govt inaction on improving transit....
Did you miss the $14b plan unveiled last year?

What is the NDP doing about improving transit? Oh that's right, nothing, because they weren't elected.
     
     
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Did you miss the $14b plan unveiled last year?

What is the NDP doing about improving transit? Oh that's right, nothing, because they weren't elected.


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the 14 billion....

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Did you miss the $14b plan unveiled last year?
A couple of important things to remember abou thte "$14b plan" that the Liberals always talk about.

- It includes the $2 billion for the Canada Line which is almost finished.

- The $14 billion is just a dream budget number. The liberals have not committed that money for transit. In fact they have said they will only supply $4.75 billion of that total. I guess the rest is suppoed to magically appear from somewhere.

- With the government's growing deficit it seems like there may be cuts in spending. This government generally seems to cut or postpone transit projects rather than their illegal highway expansion projects.
     
     
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