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Old Posted May 17, 2009, 1:50 PM
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West Side Wal-Mart

Hey All,

Just new to the forum. Currently living in Ottawa for the past 4 1/2 years, but was born and raised a Saint Johner. It's great being away and seeing all the great stuff happening in and around Saint John because even though I'm away, I still feel pride in seeing the city grow - after all it will always be considered home!

Anyhow, I was just wondering about the once proposed Wal-Mart for the west side. I know that they had pulled out saying something to the effect of concentrating on their Super Centres. I actually tried doing a search to refresh my memory but couldn't find anything despite having see this information posted before on a certain site. Given the opening of these Super Centres are opening up across Ontario and out West, I'm confused as to why Wal-Mart didn't decide to go with this concept. I always found it fishy for why they pulled out, so I wondering if anyone has anymore insight into what happened.

Looking forward to being a part of the forum!
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Wal-Mart's corporate HQ in the US put a moratorium on all new store openings for a few months last year when the economy first started tanking. That killed the west side store.

They seem to be concentrating on Ontario, Alberta and BC for their Supercentres right now, but Atlantic Canada shouldn't be too far behind.
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There was also issues with site contamination where the old saint john transit building sits. The city refused to clean it up and walmart said bye bye. But in all reality who really gives a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about another walmart, there are already too many big box stores pushing out small businesses in Saint John.

Sorry about the mini-rant but I loather big box retailers, they are ok in moderation(light).
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There was also issues with site contamination where the old saint john transit building sits. The city refused to clean it up and walmart said bye bye. But in all reality who really gives a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about another walmart, there are already too many big box stores pushing out small businesses in Saint John.

Sorry about the mini-rant but I loather big box retailers, they are ok in moderation(light).
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Thanks for the info. I remember the contamination issue now. Who cleaned it up to allow the plaza development?

I'm not necessarily pro Wal-Mart, but I think major retailers deciding to come to an area shows a level of confidence and optimism. That being said, I find it a shame when I see big box retailers grabbing up every piece of available land here in the Ottawa area. Smaller towns and communities are even falling victim. If you've never been to Orleans on the eastern edge of Ottawa it's a big box metropolis or nightmare however you want to look at it. I'm not sure how many more Home Depots Ottawa can support.
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Port authority itching to show off new terminal
Tourism Cruise ship facility will officially open June 8 but Premier Shawn Graham will get a sneak peek on Friday



Published Monday May 18th, 2009
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April Robinson
Telegraph-Journal


SAINT JOHN - It's just three weeks until the grand opening of the new Water Street cruise ship terminal, and Capt. Al Soppitt can't wait.

Stephen McCavour director of engineering for the port stands at the bottom of stairs and escaltors where passengers come down from pedway.

"This is really a celebration of the cruise as an important sector of our business," said Soppitt, president and chief executive of the Saint John Port Authority. "We've seen tremendous growth in the industry last year and this year and we're hoping that will continue."

The new terminal will be shown-off with the opening of Port Days to conference delegates during a business mixer. The chief executive of Princess Cruises will cut the ribbon.

A "rather prominent" country music star will open the evening with O Canada, though Bill Eaton, public affairs manager, won't reveal who it is.

"Tickets are going at a much brisker pace than past years," Eaton said. Port Days is an annual event to showcase the port and recognize its customers.

It's expected about 190,000 passengers will stop in Saint John this season, leading to more than $26 million in economic spin-off for the area.

The port authority has invested close to $20 million in cruise infrastructure over the past five years, Soppitt said.

It's become an increasingly important sector during the economic downturn.

Cruise passengers have grown from 183,000 last year and 134,000 in 2007.

"It's one of the areas that is continuing to show growth," Soppitt said. "It's the second-highest revenue generator for us."

Potash continues to be the top income-earner for the port authority.

Soppitt said the new cruise ship terminal enhances the growing cruise business.

"It's an attractive, provoking gateway. It sets the right tone - it's clean, modern and accessbile to the uptown," he said.

It's also a new waterfront venue that will provide income for the port authority, he said.

Eaton said the authority has been busy fielding booking requests for annual meetings and dinners throughout the summer.

"We've already got two Christmas parities booked," he said.

The port authority is also preparing to play host during a board of trade event May 22.

Premier Shawn Graham will be the guest of honour at a $120-a-plate fundraiser.

Officials will announce the new terminal's name at the grand opening, June 8. The contest closed May 8 with more than 50 entries from area high school students.

The first cruise ship - the Carnival Triumph from New York City - arrives June 9. The new terminal has been in the works since 2003, when the port authority announced it would convert the Pugsley terminal into a dedicated cruise facility.

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Finalists decided for Peel Plaza construction
Development Three companies will submit proposals and council will decide from there whether to proceed or not


Published Monday May 18th, 2009
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Reid Southwick
Telegraph-Journal


SAINT JOHN - The city has selected three companies to submit proposals to build a new parking garage and police station in the city centre, marking a final stage before common council decides the fate of the projects.

The proposals will give city politicians firm costs of the development, allowing them to make an informed decision on whether they should allow the projects to move ahead.

The police station in particular has been at the centre of debate in recent weeks, with Deputy Mayor Stephen Chase and Councillor Bill Farren saying they are willing to put the project on hold, should it force an increase in the tax rate.

The city expects it will issue a request for proposals within the next three months, but it hasn't yet set a deadline for submissions or when council will review the bids, deputy city manager Pat Woods said.

City councillor Gary Sullivan said he is confident in the quality of companies the city has selected - and their bids will provide the ground work for a final, informed debate on the project.

"These consortiums or companies are going to be spending a lot of their own money, not Saint John's money, in order to do these proposals because they are very serious about it," Sullivan said.

"Then, I think, we can have a very informed discussion. Right now, people have been saying it could be this much money or it could be that much money; and we can't afford this or we can't afford that.

"Well, now we'll know what we're talking about and how much money the debate is about."

Sullivan, a member of the Peel Plaza steering committee, said he has not yet decided whether he will support the project - but he will when the final costs come in.

"My mind is not made up. I'm certainly for moving the process forward and I'm certainly for the police having an appropriate facility," Sullivan said. "I think I've got to be smart and prudent about it - I've got to wait and see what the price tag is."

The city selected Integrated Team Solutions, Ashford Investments Inc. and AeroTerm Management to present bids for the multimillion-dollar project.

These companies were chosen from five firms that responded to a request for qualifications, which allowed the city to review their capacities and experiences with financing, building, operating and maintaining infrastructure.

During a closed session meeting last week, common council gave its blessing to the Peel Plaza steering committee, which includes Sullivan, Mayor Ivan Court, Coun. Chris Titus and Coun. Peter McGuire, to move ahead with the selection of the three finalists.

"The committee is really pleased with the quality of the companies looking to partner with us on this project. These national companies see the opportunity for growth and investment in our community," Court said in a release.

"Their interest is clear: to prepare a response like this represents significant time and financial commitment."

Chase said he remains concerned about the $28-million price tage of the police station, but he noted the request for proposals asks for design features that may reduce costs, something that gives the deputy mayor comfort.

"I don't want this project to be the reason why we would have to increase the tax rate or not make good on the commitments that we've made," Chase said.

"The key here is that we have opened up the opportunity for respondents to bring back some ideas on which costs can be driven down from the original
estimates."

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McGuire taking city's war on derelict buildings to legislature

Published Monday May 18th, 2009
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Reid Southwick
Telegraph-Journal


SAINT JOHN - City councillor Peter McGuire plans to press provincial government officials in June to place some critical bylaws on the legislative agenda, allowing the city to demolish derelict buildings and, perhaps, take ownership of the properties.

McGuire said he is scheduled to meet with officials from the departments of Social Development and Local Government in the middle of next month as he tries to make the city's case for the bylaws.

McGuire said he wants the bylaws to be tabled in the legislature in late fall, although he added the next spring session might be more realistic.

"I would think the appetite for this legislation would be high or certainly would exist at a high level," McGuire said.

"I would hope that if they sit late fall, we could get it on the docket then; that's the goal."

The city's buildings and inspections department has already drafted a proposed bylaw that would give the city new powers to deal with derelict buildings.

The bylaw, approved by common council earlier this month, would give property owners four months to demolish or clean up derelict buildings before the city could raze the structures at the owners' expense.

Council has given McGuire its blessing to lobby the province to make the bylaw a priority in Fredericton.

The politicians also approved a motion that allows McGuire to investigate whether the province would give the city authority to take ownership of the properties after the city demolishes buildings. The idea is that the city would ask non-profit groups to build affordable housing units on these properties.

Although the bylaw may prove to be controversial, McGuire said he doesn't want the city to be speckled with vacant lots after bulldozers lay to waste derelict buildings. The councillor said those lots should be used to fulfill one of the city's priorities: housing for people living in poverty.

"The owner has left the building derelict so obviously they're not going to invest in it; if the owner hasn't been, then we should be able to," McGuire said.

"I'm not going to miss an opportunity to get the city's hands on vacant lots so we can build. That is an opportunity that I think is sitting there and I would hope that we could attain that."

McGuire said many of the derelict buildings are located in the city's five priority neighbourhoods, including Crescent Valley, lower west side, old north end, Waterloo Village and the deep south end.

McGuire believes a program that allows the city to destroy these eyesores and replaces them with affordable housing would greatly help the fortunes of those neighbourhoods.

"There is more than a handful of these buildings around this city and they seem to be clustered in our priority neighbourhoods, so lets enhance their quality of life."

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Many residents say bring on the development
Community Proposed changes to municipal plan has town of Rothesay buzzing

Published Monday May 18th, 2009
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MIKE MULLEN
TELEGRAPH-JOURNAL


ROTHESAY - If you speak to valley residents about proposed changes to Rothesay's municipal plan, one thing quickly becomes clear: Many of them would still like to see a Wal-Mart built on the same piece of Millennium Drive that almost became home to one in 2006.

Peter Gorman believes the plot of land on Millennium Drive, across from Kent building supplies, should be developed.

"I think if they don't put a Wal-Mart there, they've missed the boat," Peter Gorman of nearby Donlyn Drive, Quispamsis, said during a random survey of holiday weekend shoppers in Rothesay.

"I would like to have it in Quispamsis and get the tax dollars."

Gorman said he could never understand why the town bowed to pressure from residents, who live behind the site, and let Wal-Mart get away.

"When I built (on Donlyn), let's face it, there was nothing around me either," he said. "Now, there's all kinds of houses around me. I have no problem with it. You get used to it.

"I mean, Wal-Mart, what better neighbours could you have? He goes to bed at 10 o'clock at night. There's no parties. Nothing. It's a very quiet thing after 10 o'clock."

Gorman wasn't the only shopper who voiced their support for Wal-Mart, both on and off the record, when asked for an opinion on proposed changes to Rothesay's municipal plan that would see the Millennium Drive site designated for mixed usage of residential, commercial and institutional purposes.

There's even a more controversial proposal to allow a mix of low, medium and high-density housing in the Hill Side development area, located along Highway 1, on either side of the Riverside Country Club.

"It's the 'not in my back yard' syndrome," complained Robin Dunn of Quispamsis. "They turned Wal-Mart down because of a few residents, not the majority of people. It was a real mistake when they turned them down. I know if I had been the owner of the land, I would have cut every tree off it and left it a mess."

He said he would love to see Wal-Mart try again.

"The more the better out here," he said. "I would go for it."

Dunn also favours mixed housing throughout the valley area.

"You have to have mixed housing, otherwise you don't have a community," he said.

Kathy Anderson of Rothesay and Russell Cameron of Quispamsis agreed with him.

"I really don't have a problem with any construction that goes in the town," Anderson said. "I think the more construction the better it is for the community. I live in Chapel Hill (a garden home community). When the Superstore was built, there was a lot of flak about that. I myself wanted Wal-Mart. I thought it was great. Anything to keep us in the valley and from going to the city."

She and young married couple, James and Amanda Finlay of Rothesay, both talked of the need for more entry-level housing to be built in the valley.

"People need a place to live," said Anderson, a one-time Gondola Point resident. "With the lack of entry-level housing now, it's almost impossible for young couples."

Amanda Finlay said it is hard for young couples to come up with equity to buy higher-priced homes.

Quispamsis resident Mike McDermott, for one, said he wouldn't want to see a Wal-Mart built on Millennium Drive.

"Light commercial is all right for this area; I think Wal-Mart would be too heavy," he said. "They shouldn't get into high-density (housing), but low-density is all right. We're also on wells out here."

He said townhouses would be acceptable, but not apartment buildings.

"If you want to put up high-rises and stuff like that, stick to the city," he said. "That's why people moved out here in the first place. It's like when Gondola Point got gobbled up by Quispamsis. Gondola Point was single family. As soon as Quispamsis took over, it became a cash cow. They opened it all up."

And once you cross that line and allow one developer to do something, he said, "There's no going back."

Eric Sabean of Saint John, a young family man who once lived on the Kingston Peninsula, said with all the construction activity slated for the city in the next few years, the valley needs to have a diversity of housing that will accommodate people from all walks of life.

Frances Hansen of Hammond River said she would like to see some clothing stores added to the commercial strip around the Real Atlantic Superstore, while Rothesay resident Charmaine Adams would like to see commercial outlets limited to areas away from residences.

"I know some people who live in this area," she said, as she shopped at Superstore, "and they're planning to move out."

Greg Gill of Quispamsis had a novel idea for the Millennium Drive site.

"They need a bigger school out here," he said.

"The ones they've got now are overcrowded. Even a civic centre, something for the community."

Several Rothesay residents, who said they personally would have liked to have seen a Wal-Mart come to town, declined to make any comments on the record for fear of offending friends who had fought against it.

As one man said, "I want to stay friends."

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The million-dollar question
Infrastructure Should the city build one water treatment plant or two?

Published Monday May 18th, 2009
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Reid Southwick
Telegraph-Journal


SAINT JOHN - It's the million-dollar question: how much could the city save by having one water treatment plant, rather than two?

The city is seriously considering a single plant again after engineers from Ontario wrapped up the first in a series of three workshops on water treatment plans.

NCE Value Engineers Inc. is reviewing the city's plans, looking at project designs, the most appropriate costs, the potential for private investment and the value of one plant, among other considerations.

There were no cost estimates for a single plant available, but they will likely be part of a report that common council will review by early June, city manager Terry Totten said.

Deputy Mayor Stephen Chase, who has been pushing for a single plant for months, expects the cost savings will be significant.

"It reduces the capital investment and there are less operating costs, because you have employees working at one plant rather than two," Chase said.

Previously, municipal operations commissioner Paul Groody presented a water treatment plan with a large plant on the east side of Reversing Falls and a smaller one serving the west.

On several occasions when Chase advocated for a single plant, Groody said it wouldn't be practical, mostly because western customers would lose water if the transmission pipe broke.

But there's talk the city could run an emergency pipeline along the river bed, as a backup for the water supply.

Chase said he's pleased the third-party review of the city's water plans has validated his belief a single plant is a more cost-effective option.

"This whole value engineering exercise has highlighted the importance of seeking expert opinion on these big issues that face the city," Chase said. "Without that, our senior staff were determined about going down the road of building two treatment plants. At least they recognize the value of this exercise."

This is not the first round of talks on a single plant.

Council commissioned a study in 1999 that suggested the city should build a $63-million plant at Latimer Lake that would supply drinking water for the entire city. At the time, a consultant called two treatment plants "a non-starter" because of the increased costs.

Four years later, a different consultant said the eastern and western water systems were connected by only one 19-inch steel pipe and having a single plant would leave the west side of the city vulnerable to a "very lengthy" disruption in water service.

Near the end of 2004, council adopted a plan with two plants.

Besides acting as a backup, a second plant might also reduce transmission costs. Mayor Ivan Court said in a February interview that over the long term, it could be cheaper to send water from two plants instead of one because it would have less distance to travel, lowering the pumping and electrical costs.

Chase has studied water meter rates across the country and found Saint John's rates are the highest among Canadian cities - and he believes a single plant would keep future costs down.

"We need to have the most practical and efficient system in terms of construction and operation, because there is this critical affordability issue."
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I wonder what happened to the debate with regards to Quispamsis and Rothesay amalgamating to form a new city. It seems they all have more in common than not; what happens in one town effects the other.
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'We have a great product here'
Tourism The city's information centres reopen on Highway 1 and at Reversing Falls

Published Tuesday May 19th, 2009
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BRUCE BARTLETT
TELEGRAPH-JOURNAL


SAINT JOHN - The local tourism season, building on a banner year in 2008, officially got underway over the weekend with the reopening of information centres at Reversing Falls and on Highway 1.

The city is coming off a banner year in 2008 that saw record figures for tourism spending and number of visitors.

"We are delighted by the 2008 numbers," said Shirley Elliot, manager of Tourism Saint John.

Last year the number of visitors to the city, and room sales, were at an all-time high. Tourism spending reached $246.2 million, 7.6 per cent higher than in 2007, according to a study conducted by MacKellar, Cunningham and Associates, a Fredericton-based market research company.

And that was despite the fact that the tourism industry faced a number of obstacles last summer including the high value of the Canadian dollar and high gas prices.

The number of hotel rooms sold in the city in 2008 rose 9.8 per cent to 346,000. Across the province, the number of rooms sold to U.S. residents declined last year, but not in Saint John where they nearly doubled from 27,200 to 53,300.

The increase in U.S. tourists is attributed to return visits from people who first came to the city on a cruise.

"We are quite optimistic about the 2009 tourism season," said Sean Payne, visitor information centre supervisor for the city's tourism department. "We have a great product here in Saint John."

The toll-free line set up by the city to handle enquiries has been very busy and people have been using the website to request information packages, Payne said.

Tourism staff have been working toward the opening since January, beginning with updating the visitor guides that will be handed out to tourists this year. Then all the other pamphlets from around the province had to be gathered and organized, workers had to be hired and schedules made.

The summer centres are open seven days a week and provide tourists with information on the local attractions, give directions and help them find places to stay, he said.

"We ask everyone coming through the doors if they have a place to stay that night, and if they don't we suggest that they do stay because there are a lot of ways to enjoy the city," Payne said.

A city information centre will open on June 1 in the relocated Barbour's General Store aimed at the cruise ship passengers. After Thanksgiving it will be open on cruise ship visitation days, which, this year, will extend into November.

The tourism information centre in City Hall along the pedway remains open year-round.
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Deliver funds first: mayor
Water Court says city doing its best to provide information to MP, but suggests Ottawa provide money and work out the details later

Published Tuesday May 19th, 2009
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APRIL ROBINSON
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SAINT JOHN - Mayor Ivan Court says he's doing everything he can to ensure Saint John's proposed water system project doesn't fall off the federal radar.

But he says the infrastructure funding should come first and and city and government officials will work out the details later.

"Get the money to the municipalities, and let them get their shovels in the ground, and these projects will be built," Court said in a telephone interview Monday.

He was responding to Conservative MP Rodney Weston's concerns that the city isn't providing essential information to get infrastructure dollars flowing for a new drinking water system worth millions of dollars.

"He's been getting answers," Court said of Weston. "But he's got more questions and we need to get those answers to him."

Court said cities are under immense pressure because they must complete projects by March 2011 in order to qualify for the stimulus funding - which would be impossible for the seven-year water project.

"If the money hasn't started flowing yet, you're already late," he said.

The mayor said he doesn't know how much the entire water system will cost because the city is still waiting for more information.

NCE Value Engineers Inc., a company based in Ontario, is reviewing the city's water treatment plans, including the designs and the value of having one rather than two plants.

Weston said Friday he was waiting for answers to key questions about Saint John's proposed water project before he could pitch it to federal officials. If he didn't hear back soon, Saint John's top priority would be in danger of falling to "the bottom of the pile." Decisions are being made now on how to split New Brunswick's $100 million pot of stimulus funding, he said.

Weston sent Court a letter May 12. Court said he received it in his office May 13, and passed it on to his staff to get the answers.

"We recognize we want water done immediately and Saint John only gets a share," the mayor said. "We recognize the federal government has 10 MPs in New Brunswick and each MP will probably receive funding for their area."

Court said he realizes the infrastructure money could only realistically fund a portion of the city's water project, which is pegged at $214 million.

"Whatever funding is coming our way, we'll be happy to receive," he said.

One of the first things the city will need money for is a $5-million pipe to run from Spruce Lake to Gault Road, he said.

He's also hoping for money to upgrade the Canada Games Stadium, as well as several other projects.

Council sent a letter to Weston in April to stress the importance of the new water system. A recent survey showed improving the city's aging drinking water system is considered Saint John residents' top priority.

Weston wants to know if the city has reached an agreement with large industrial users of the water system.

"We're looking at that," Court said. "We're looking at large lines being used for industry and we're hoping we can reduce the cost for that."

The mayor said the city is also dedicated to setting aside gas tax money for the next seven years to finance its share of the capital cost. That was another one of Weston's concerns.

"Say we get $5.3 million in gas tax," Court said. "If the provincial and federal governments match that, it's a good down payment on getting this water problem solved."

Weston also wanted to know whether the provincial government would commit to funding the water treatment plant, and if the design - one plant or two - was finalized.

Saint John's drinking water supply comes from surface water sources and only uses chlorine for disinfection, so it does not eliminate the risk of waterborne disease. It's one of the oldest systems in the country.

Court said he wants to be able to provide safe drinking water at an affordable cost.

"It's a major concern for the city of Saint John," he said. "Citizens want safe, dependable drinking water. Without it, you can't survive."

Court said he's not angered by Weston's comments, and he knows the MP is just looking out for the city. The mayor said he spoke with Weston Thursday night and the MP is meeting with council soon to discuss projects.

"He's probably been asked questions by people above him, and we have to get that info to him as soon as possible," the mayor said.

But the projects can't move forward until the city has the money, Court said.

"There are all kinds of projects I'm sure Mr. Weston will help us out with, whether it's recreation or flooding. But we all work for the same taxpayer," he said.

"When it comes to infrastructure, we hope the money will flow back to the community where it's collected to meet the needs of citizens.
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Time for Rothesay to move forward - developer


Published Tuesday May 19th, 2009
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Candice Mac Lean
Telegraph-Journal


ROTHESAY - It's catch-up time for Rothesay, says a leading commercial developer in the town.

Phil Brodersen is the new president of the Kennebecasis Valley Chamber of Commerce as well as a prominent developer.

Phil Brodersen reacted to possible changes to Rothesay's municipal plan that would allow more high density and commercial developments in the town.

He said Rothesay has been slow in joining the boom bandwagon, which neighbouring Quispamsis has embraced fully.

"More commercial areas and more growth is really what they're building here," said Brodersen, who is also the president of the Kennebecasis Valley Chamber of Commerce. "I think (a review of) the municipal plan is well overdue and I think it's a great idea. It's well needed."

The developer sat in the front row at the presentation where development services director Gay Drescher outlined seven recommended changes to the plan.

The general theme of Drescher's speech was to move low-density areas in the town to include moderate and higher-density designations. It would mean instead of having only single-family homes built, townhouses or apartment buildings could be considered.

She also suggested that areas on Hampton and Marr roads, along with one lot on Campbell Drive, be designated for commercial use.

"I think a lot of developers would like to make Rothesay more appealing," Brodersen said of the old-fashioned suburban town. "The proposal is perfect for what we're looking for."

The most contentious recommendations affected land on either side of the town's golf course - the Riverside Country Club - (or the Hill Side development area) and a large plot of land on Millennium Drive.

Changing the so-called Hill Side development area's designation from low density to a mix of low, moderate and high density and having the Millennium Drive plot designated for mixed usage of residential, commercial and institutional purposes were among the requests.

The Millennium Drive land is located across from the Kent building supplies store and is well-known as the space that almost occupied a Wal-Mart in 2006.

The two areas were the subject of almost all of the 20 questions asked by audience members at the public meeting.

"(The review has) nothing to do with Wal-Mart coming to Millennium Drive," Brodersen said. "A lot of people had their own agendas why they were there. It was presentation and it wasn't a debate. All the town is doing is putting a set of guidelines."

With almost every question, Drescher explained the difference between a municipal plan and a zoning bylaw. A municipal plan is a document that sets a template for the town and a zoning bylaw is more specific.

"Gay did terrific job of explaining it but a lot of people didn't understand," Brodersen said. "It has nothing to do with building anything."

The developer, who owns an expanding set of buildings on Clark Road, said he attended the meeting to learn about the future of the town.

"I wanted to see what the plan was about," he said. "I wanted to hear reaction from people and I wanted to see what the reaction of the councillors would be."

When asked if he can see box stores like Wal-Mart in Rothesay he said, "I'm not going there."

The draft plan with all recommendations is on the town's website at www.rothesay.ca or can be picked up at the Town Hall. Comments on the plan may be submitted by emailing [email protected] or by letter until June 26. A public hearing to finalize the municipal plan will be held in the fall.
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I wonder what happened to the debate with regards to Quispamsis and Rothesay amalgamating to form a new city. It seems they all have more in common than not; what happens in one town effects the other.
I'd rather see a regional amalgamation scheme, but slightly different whereby each former community is turned into a borough in the New York model. Lancaster, Saint John, Quispamsis, Rothesay & Grand-Bay Westfield could all be boroughs with a central city hall, and contribute to centralised services and taxation but maintain unique zoning standards and token heritage/cultural/recreation departments. That way the communities maintain their identities to a certain extent but we stop the needless duplication of services and finally can establish better regional planning for the city.
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If Peel Plaza goes ahead I think the owner of the City Hall building has a great opportunity to make some good money. If I were them I would negotiate with the city to consolidate city hall on the lower floors, and try to rent out upper floors with better views to commercial tenants. Also, the parking garage level will be useful in attracting new tenants.
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Ground work appears underway...

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[cynical]Yay, another Darling Homes structure that will start falling apart in 2 years [/cynical]
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[cynical]Yay, another Darling Homes structure that will start falling apart in 2 years [/cynical]
Ah, New Brunswick: the province of mediocrity.

In other news, they've finished landscaping around the Cruise terminal. The finished product looks good, though its surroundings leave a lot to be desired. What are the chances of getting some pleasant infill on either side? Does anybody know how far down Water Street Pugsley Park is to go? How likely is it that the Port will be willing to give up their surface parking?

Water Street has a lot of potential, but we've got a long way to go. The new sidewalks/traffic signals are nice, but it will take the Coast Guard development, Pugsley Park, John Rocca's condos, mixed-use infill, and a retrofit of many of the building fronts on the east side of the street before it can become a truly desirable corridor and destination for pedestrians.

I should add that it's excellent that the first three items on that list are currently in the works.

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How likely is it that the Port will be willing to give up their surface parking?
I think they will give it up once a development or project is more profitable for them than parking.
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The speculation was off the mark on this one -- it wasn't about sewerage but a new collector road for Grand Bay-Westfield -- the announcement made this morning at the Brundage Point River Center.
The 5.4-million dollar road is being financed jointly by the federal and provincial governments -- and -- Energy Minister Jack Keir says it's a project which makes a lot of sense because it will open up a lot of land for future development.
The road will connect the town center with highway 7 at the Highland Road overpass with construction to begin almost immediately and completion set for later next year.



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The federal and provincial governments are funding construction of a new collector road in Grand Bay Westfield.

The 5.4 million dollar project will provide access between the town center and highway 7 at the Highland Road overpass.

The announcement made moments ago at the Brundage Point River Center.
I think this will be the road that makes Grand Bay Westfield the next KV.
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I don't care for negative vibes and I try to steer clear from it. I just had some thoughts I wanted to share.

I had great hopes for the new Council - not necessarily the Mayor - but ultimately he is just one voice. I am miffed about the handling of much of the City's business as of late.

Has anybody stopped to examine the procrastination with Peel Plaza for example? This was going to be the final site for the Police Station and millions of dollars have already been spent to ascertain this site as being final. Now we have a number of councilors who seem quite content with the notion of vacating this site and moving it elsewhere.

Then we have the water problem. Rodney Weston wrote a letter to council very recently basically stating "get your act together" or you are going to lose millions of dollars in Federal funding. More procrastination.

These are but two recent examples of the sheer inability of Council to get the job done. There is a ton of friction, complete lack of direction and vision. I don't want the City tax rate to increase either however, the money that has already been lost to date is appalling.

I had relatively good thoughts about this council - when it was elected. Now, I am worried. I wonder if I am alone.
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Has anybody stopped to examine the procrastination with Peel Plaza for example? This was going to be the final site for the Police Station and millions of dollars have already been spent to ascertain this site as being final. Now we have a number of councilors who seem quite content with the notion of vacating this site and moving it elsewhere.
It's the fact that they are pausing on Peel Plaza that gives me some hope.

The money spent on consultants was partially wasted - the consultants said to put this many other places before putting it North of Union. Several sites were turned down for costing too much - and far less than the Peel Plaza development will cost.

I will be content if public projects that we can afford are completed, and projects we cannot are put on hold.
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\Does anybody know how far down Water Street Pugsley Park is to go?
I have a schematic of the area that I can't post I'm afraid, but I can tell you the park will basically extend as far south as the line in Pugsley where there are still the old blue metal archways running in a perpendicular line from Water Street. The area will be very nice when complete, and will house the first of the recently announced TD funded interactive environmental educations "eco-hubs" along Harbour Passage.


Can't say I'm a fan of the new collector road for Grand Bay-Westfield if it makes the area "the next KV" because the original KV has gone way way downhill in the past 10-15 years.
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Can't say I'm a fan of the new collector road for Grand Bay-Westfield if it makes the area "the next KV" because the original KV has gone way way downhill in the past 10-15 years.
I think that GBW will be able to attract more retail and population with the road. At least it's only one town, so planning will be a bit more controlled.

While I agree that the quiet suburban towns have changed over the last decade there have been some cultural wins - the Arts and Culture Park in Quispamsis is really cool and who would have thought that a world-class pizza restaurant would be located in Rothesay.
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Who would have thought that a world-class pizza restaurant would be located in Rothesay.
And which restaurant is this pray tell? My son lives in Rothesay currently and eats almost nothing but pizza. I don't believe he is aware of this fine emporium. Perhaps he should be told!
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