Hamilton Without Steel?

SteelTown · #1 Posted **May 21, 2009, 5:49 PM**

Hamilton Without Steel?
TVO - The Agenda
Tonight at 8:00pm.

Check it out

matt602 · #2 Posted **May 21, 2009, 9:16 PM**

I wish I had cable

hmagazine · #3 Posted **May 21, 2009, 9:59 PM**

you should be able to view it online at tvo.org tomorrow.

mic67 · #4 Posted **May 21, 2009, 11:42 PM**

Basic cable is way too expensive for what you get.

I do believe in fee for carriage, cable companies have had it way too good for too long. They are charging you what they get for free.

I have not had cable for some time. In toronto rabbit ears were OK. When I moved to Hamilton I soon bought an antenna for about $35. I have it mounted inside the house by the TV ((digital ATSC tunner LCD) on a stand and rotate it manually when necessary - the digital signal can have a very small vector for tuning in, but the quality of say cbc is better than from cable. If the antenna was mounted higher up and outside, sig, recep. would improve by half. When using coax cable use the higher quality RG6 cable eg. Neutek on Parkdale sells 100ft for about $20 with connectors.

Last night I tuned in radio in Ham. for the first time on my mp3 unit and was amazed at the recpetion quality and then again at lunch time today, same local, and quality was 50% less. same holds true for TV, better in the very late hours.

You will get TVO - many of us who worked there called it TV Zero not tvo-oh.

Digiwave ANT-2084 Outdoor HD TV Digital Antenna

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...cid=ET.679.502

Generally TVO is pretty good but is far from consistent in it programming or quality

mic67

Millstone · #5 Posted **May 22, 2009, 2:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by mic67

Basic cable is way too expensive for what you get.

I do believe in fee for carriage, cable companies have had it way too good for too long. They are charging you what they get for free.

I have not had cable for some time. In toronto rabbit ears were OK. When I moved to Hamilton I soon bought an antenna for about $35. I have it mounted inside the house by the TV ((digital ATSC tunner LCD) on a stand and rotate it manually when necessary - the digital signal can have a very small vector for tuning in, but the quality of say cbc is better than from cable. If the antenna was mounted higher up and outside, sig, recep. would improve by half. When using coax cable use the higher quality RG6 cable eg. Neutek on Parkdale sells 100ft for about $20 with connectors.

Last night I tuned in radio in Ham. for the first time on my mp3 unit and was amazed at the recpetion quality and then again at lunch time today, same local, and quality was 50% less. same holds true for TV, better in the very late hours.

You will get TVO - many of us who worked there called it TV Zero not tvo-oh.

Digiwave ANT-2084 Outdoor HD TV Digital Antenna

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...cid=ET.679.502

Generally TVO is pretty good but is far from consistent in it programming or quality

mic67

Thanks for this de-rail about the state of ATSC in Canada.

bigguy1231 · #6 Posted **May 22, 2009, 3:02 AM**

Sorry for the reply to the derail.

mic67, just make your own antenna. I made one and it works great, especially with the HD channels. It cost me a $1.99 for a 300ohm-75 ohm balum and a few coathangers. For instructions just google homemade tv antenna's. It looks alot like the one you linked to.

Oh by the way I get 23 channels, about 1/2 are HD.

Millstone · #7 Posted **May 22, 2009, 3:42 AM**

Now that we're completely off topic, I hear that downtown is a bad place for receiving OTA signals. I've tried (not hard) and only got CBC and CHCH, and not very well. I know on the mountain brow you'd probably make a killing.

FairHamilton · #8 Posted **May 22, 2009, 1:02 PM**

Nothing I found earth shattering on the program last night. Actually, I was a little disappointed in the program and the content.

If the Foxcroft and Paikin love-in got any deeper I thought I was going to be sick.

Gary Santucci · #9 Posted **May 22, 2009, 1:14 PM**

Hello Stavros

The Hamilton episode turned out to be a true disservice to the real issues facing our community. It was a presentation of sheer boosterism at its worst. Many of us were hoping for much more from your program.

sadly yours

Gary Santucci

hmagazine · #10 Posted **May 22, 2009, 3:36 PM**

So I just finished watching the hour long promo for Fluke Transport and its goals of making Hamilton a transport hub. Ugh. Kudos to Jeremy who was the only one saying something new and refreshing about our city. Too bad it wasn't a one on one interview...

markbarbera · #11 Posted **May 22, 2009, 4:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by hmagazine

So I just finished watching the hour long promo for Fluke Transport and its goals of making Hamilton a transport hub. Ugh.

Is that an 'ugh' to the amount of time dedicated to this topic, or an 'ugh' to the idea of Hamilton being a transport hub?

ryan_mcgreal · #12 Posted **May 22, 2009, 4:27 PM**

The program is now posted on the TVO website (and here linkjacked by RTH):

http://raisethehammer.org/blog/1348/

markbarbera · #13 Posted **May 22, 2009, 4:40 PM**

Here is a direct link to the "Hamilton without Steel?" episode of The Agenda on TVO's website.

hmagazine · #14 Posted **May 22, 2009, 6:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by markbarbera

Is that an 'ugh' to the amount of time dedicated to this topic, or an 'ugh' to the idea of Hamilton being a transport hub?

Clearly Foxcroft (involved in the Airport) sees trucks and plane transport as one of our many saviours. I am not getting into an Aerotropolis debate here - but we should all know better by now.

Jon Dalton · #15 Posted **May 22, 2009, 7:02 PM**

Sounds like the TV version of those lame Hamilton booster books from the 80's and 90's that are mostly full of business profiles, mostly of Ancaster homebuilders and Burlington factories, and Foxcroft. They also had the nerve to refer to our 'newly revitalized downtown', in 1991!

mic67 · #16 Posted **May 22, 2009, 7:38 PM**

The show was a big disappointment, totally special interest driven, no mention of a pending LRT?BRT. Hamiltons future is directly related to a rapid transport link to TO - the financial captial of Canada. Hamilton has great potential, but the retardedness is overwhelming. Gesh..

Mic67

markbarbera · #17 Posted **May 22, 2009, 7:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by hmagazine

Clearly Foxcroft (involved in the Airport) sees trucks and plane transport as one of our many saviours. I am not getting into an Aerotropolis debate here - but we should all know better by now.

Now it's time for me to say 'ugh'...

FairHamilton · #18 Posted **May 22, 2009, 8:10 PM**

Lets be sure to throw some (a good deal) of the criticism Paikin's way. The quality of a panel discussion is largely dependent on the moderator.

Feather-weight questions, and he often seemed bewildered (i.e. hadn't done any homework on his former hometown), i.e. why are the buses not Ticat Black & Gold anymore, I don't understand......

And the choice to highlight the good things in Hamilton starting with pictures of an idled Steel Mill was bewildering. The steel mills don't need to go away for Hamilton to move beyond steel, they can co-exist.

Jeremy nailed it, when he said that individuals are pushing past and beyond the naysayers and those who put up roadblocks, in the past 2 years. They've decided as individuals they were going to effect and create change and move forward without help of those who should be helping (i.e. City and pillars of business, i.e. Ron Foxcroft).

Interesting that many of those individuals are the artists, and those with creative vision. The ones who have a vision and a belief in Hamilton that wants to embrace Hamilton's history, and goes beyond history. Gary Santucci and Barbara Milne's experience with The Pearl Company being a great case in point for moving past the roadblocks.

hmagazine · #19 Posted **May 22, 2009, 8:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by markbarbera

Now it's time for me to say 'ugh'...

Right back atcha!

hmagazine · #20 Posted **May 22, 2009, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by FairHamilton

Lets be sure to throw some (a good deal) of the criticism Paikin's way. The quality of a panel discussion is largely dependent on the moderator.

Feather-weight questions, and he often seemed bewildered (i.e. hadn't done any homework on his former hometown), i.e. why are the buses not Ticat Black & Gold anymore, I don't understand.......

He clearly had no clue about what is going on. The closing statement about the Ticats winning the Grey Cup was clearly another bad cliched Hamilton stereotype.

No not everyone is talking Ticats in this community. Move on...