Mobile Development Thread

[CottonCity251]

Originally Posted by nimsjus

I think they are calling that a park. There was an article a while back posted on here about that little strip/triangle there.

Seems like a dangerous spot for a park though, with traffic coming from so many ways. Must be a park in plaza form...?? Thats were I'm posted up on Fat Tuesday...they stole my spot, now I'mma have to park on the fountain.

[Bayside]

Originally Posted by CottonCity251

Seems like a dangerous spot for a park though, with traffic coming from so many ways. Must be a park in plaza form...?? Thats were I'm posted up on Fat Tuesday...they stole my spot, now I'mma have to park on the fountain.

There won't be any benches in the park. I guess its a ride by park. You ride by and look out your window at it.

[Port_of_Bama]

Originally Posted by CottonCity251

From the Press-Register...

Mobile City Councilman Fred Richardson's New Year's Eve Moon Pie drop drew 12,000 people to downtown Mobile last year. Now it might be drawing a new business to the city.

Richardson recently forwarded the Press-Register an e-mail from Tory Johnston, vice president for marketing at Chattanooga Bakery, which makes Moon Pies. Johnston said the company wants to open a "MoonPie General Store" somewhere in the Mobile area for a six-month trial run from November to April 2010.

If the store is successful, it would open in a permanent location in the fall of 2010.

In addition to the marshmallow-and-graham-cracker treat, the Moon Pie General Store would also sell Moon Pie-themed T-shirts, hats, toys and other gifts.

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Sounds good...should/must be downtown.

I agree downtown is the best location for it.

[Port_of_Bama]

Originally Posted by Bayside

There won't be any benches in the park. I guess its a ride by park. You ride by and look out your window at it.

I think it`s a good idea that they`re keep ing it like that, with just a fountain and all.

[Alxx611]

The Belltower at USA






And the new Rec Center:





DT from Spring Hill College:

[SouthSky]

Great pics, Alxx. Keep it up... that view from Springhill is one of the better views in Mobile.

[SouthSky]

Here's an Los Angeles Times article about Mobile-Cuba relations in regards to trade:

(came out this morning)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-alabama-cuba7-2009may07,0,457767.story

[nimsjus]

Originally Posted by SouthSky

Here's an Los Angeles Times article about Mobile-Cuba relations in regards to trade:

(came out this morning)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-alabama-cuba7-2009may07,0,457767.story

Really cool article SouthSky. More good national pub for Mobile. Ive been on a couple of trips to the caribbean (cruise, honeymoon to jamaica, and visited my college roomate in the Dominican Republic where he worked). I probably would never go back since I feel like I ahve seen all there is to see (the cultures are so similar and they are all surrounded by the same sand and same colored water). But if they open up travel to Havanah I would definitely go back to see that. I have heard it is awesome.

[Port_of_Bama]

It would also be another good tourist attraction if there were cruises from Mobile to Havana. It` also amazing how both cities have a statue of there founder lemoyne facing each other 600 miles away. if i`m not mistaken that`s like Mobile to Nashville.


It`s been rumored that Havan or just Cuba I think is on the same horizonta plain as Mobile, like it is directly under mobile. Does anyone know how true this is ?

[SouthSky]

The Yucatan Peninsula is on the same line as Mobile. Havana is directly south of Tampa/St. Pete/Sarasota.

[nimsjus]

Below is an article about fighting at Blount High School. The school board says it is just a matter of the school being too large and the kids being from too many neighborhoods. My question is-What do neighborhoods have to do with fighting. I attended a private high school so I will exclude my experiences from this discussion of MCPS. My sister attended Davidson (one of Mobile's other very large public schools). She never beat up, shot, or harrassed students from other neighborhoods. Other students never did this to her. I think the thing that frustrates me about this article and the responses by MCPS is that they blame this entirely on "neighborhood rivalries" and propose to fix it by just seperating the kids back to other schools. I feel like some family situations play into many of these kids not knowing right from wrong. If these kids get educated and have good mentors then these kids will see that it is not ok to fight/shoot/harrass/kill other people over what neighborhood they are from. I also suspect that these neighborhood rivalries are not strictly over neighborhood pride. I know some of our posters went to some of the other schools mentioned (Leflore, Vigor, Murphy). What were yalls experiences? Is it purely neighborhood pride or do drugs, gangs, etc play a role in these "neighborhood rivalries"? Lets keep this discussion positive and constructive.

[Electrical Porpoise]

I think you are looking too deep into the word "neighborhoods." While it is true that some of the aforementioned reasons play a role in fights, generally when you have dozens of different groups of friends you are going to have arguments. The more groups, the more disagreements.

[Port_of_Bama]

I graduated from Leflore in 2005 and though parenting plays a huge role, it`s not a neighborhood rivelry but community.

E.G : like the Toulminville community not getting along with the Mayesville community, or Prichard not getting along with West Mobile. So it`s a little deeper than a neighborhood. Just about in any moderate to large size city you will have community rivelries and yes it is pride. I disagree with it and think it is silly but that is the way it is. Blount school district is to large, and while Blount Highschool is in Prichard it has students from the Trinity Garden and some Toulminville areas.Trinity Gardens and all of Toulminville students should be attending Leflore not Blount because it is closer and to add on to it they both don`t get along with Prichard,so that is one problem. Most of Williamson`s studnts are from communities such as Mayesville,Down The Bay,and DIP so ther is no problems.Vigor`s students come from the Prichard area no problems. some of the Roger Williams housing project students attend Davidson but there are no other east Mobile neighborhoods at Davidson beside Roger williams so there is no problem.If you were to take the Orange Grove kids from Murphy and brought them to Davidson with the Roger Willaim students then it will be problems.

These community rivelries are just like school rivelries I think Murphy`s biggest rivelry is with McGill and if you were to have Murphy students and Mcgill students sitting on the same side during a play off game do you think it would be peace ?

[nimsjus]

I have a hard time seeing the rivalry thing because no matter how much I am into a rivalry I would never fight, harm, or kill someone over a high school/college/neighborhood/community rivalry. Maybe thats just the way I was raised. I attribute that inhibition to education. I am educated enough to know that it does not make sense to fight over what neighborhood or school someone attends. I think everyone on this board is educated enough to see the flaws in that kind of logic (Port already acknowledged that it doesnt make sense). I think the easy answer is just to put everyone back with others from their respective communities. I don't think it solves the bigger issue (the issue that these kids shouldnt be killing each other over what neighborhood they live in), but it may cut back down on the fights. Either way, I appreciate the insight from some of you guys who have lived this stuff. Hopefully they get it straightened out so these kids can go to school and have an environment where they can get and education and go on to be successful.

[nimsjus]

Does Thyssen Krupp owe us a refund? I feel like if they are considering not opening the carbon steel division, then they should refund Mobile County a percentage of the incentives we gave them to lure them here. They are not living up to the promises that they made so why should we have to give them all of the money we promised them. That money could go towards luring other projects to the area and kepp Mobile on this roll that it has been on the last few years.
http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1242206107133410.xml&coll=3

[Port_of_Bama]

Originally Posted by nimsjus

Does Thyssen Krupp owe us a refund? I feel like if they are considering not opening the carbon steel division, then they should refund Mobile County a percentage of the incentives we gave them to lure them here. They are not living up to the promises that they made so why should we have to give them all of the money we promised them. That money could go towards luring other projects to the area and kepp Mobile on this roll that it has been on the last few years.
http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1242206107133410.xml&coll=3

I agree, because if we gave them the incentives for a complete project and they give us parshel then we should have a cetrtain percentage refunded to us.

[CottonCity251]

Originally Posted by Port_of_Bama

I graduated from Leflore in 2005 and though parenting plays a huge role, it`s not a neighborhood rivelry but community.

E.G : like the Toulminville community not getting along with the Mayesville community, or Prichard not getting along with West Mobile. So it`s a little deeper than a neighborhood. Just about in any moderate to large size city you will have community rivelries and yes it is pride. I disagree with it and think it is silly but that is the way it is. Blount school district is to large, and while Blount Highschool is in Prichard it has students from the Trinity Garden and some Toulminville areas.Trinity Gardens and all of Toulminville students should be attending Leflore not Blount because it is closer and to add on to it they both don`t get along with Prichard,so that is one problem. Most of Williamson`s studnts are from communities such as Mayesville,Down The Bay,and DIP so ther is no problems.Vigor`s students come from the Prichard area no problems. some of the Roger Williams housing project students attend Davidson but there are no other east Mobile neighborhoods at Davidson beside Roger williams so there is no problem.If you were to take the Orange Grove kids from Murphy and brought them to Davidson with the Roger Willaim students then it will be problems.

These community rivelries are just like school rivelries I think Murphy`s biggest rivelry is with McGill and if you were to have Murphy students and Mcgill students sitting on the same side during a play off game do you think it would be peace ?

The problem is the next generation...the 90s babies. Each one is worst than before and they are growing up but still babies from ages 13-18. Most of the problems deal with hood pride or where you from. LeFlore and Blount had a small zoning area, which were the surrounding neighborhoods, until they built the new school and so-called revamped LeFlore's curriculumm. Now Blount has students from Creightion, Toulminville, Trinity Gardens, and the rough parts of Prichard. How is that gon work? When I was at LeFlore other hoods came to our school to fight us...I remember a brawl before school started between Toulminville and Queens Court in Prichard, they drove up to our school. Trinity Gardens has this little gang group called MGM boys...and what do you know all are minors under 16 and they carry big heaters, you don't wanna see 'em. Vigor has its problems as well with rivalry between Plateau, Happy Hill, Alabama Village, Gulf Villiage, and behind Vigor. They have had brawls and students bringing guns there also this year. The problems don't stop at the schools...its all over the streets, the young ones are the ones we see on the news everyday for their dumb choices. Closing down Orange Grove and Bessemer Projects contributes also. Most from Orange Grove moved to R.V. Taylor Homes...straight WarZone. Like they try to come in and take over or something. Some moved to Roger Williams, where it ain't gon happen, so its no near whats happening in R.V. where people are dying over non sense. I don't look for trouble but if another man step to me like he wanna check me or something Imma defend me. I have stayed in every hood and will go wherever I please cause I represent the whole city...Mobile.

[CottonCity251]

Originally Posted by nimsjus

Does Thyssen Krupp owe us a refund? I feel like if they are considering not opening the carbon steel division, then they should refund Mobile County a percentage of the incentives we gave them to lure them here. They are not living up to the promises that they made so why should we have to give them all of the money we promised them. That money could go towards luring other projects to the area and kepp Mobile on this roll that it has been on the last few years.
http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1242206107133410.xml&coll=3

Most incentives that come upfront are cash conponents. The tax breaks and stuff really don't kick in until the plant is fully operational with the jobs promised so I thought.

[nimsjus]

[QUOTE=CottonCity251;4247564]The problem is the next generation...the 90s babies. Each one is worst than before and they are growing up but still babies from ages 13-18. Most of the problems deal with hood pride or where you from. Trinity Gardens has this little gang group called MGM boys...and what do you know all are minors under 16 and they carry big heaters, you don't wanna see 'em. QUOTE]

I dont know the groups and neighborhoods like some of yall do, but I can completely see the youth thing. Everytime there is a shooting, robbery, drug sting, assault, etc it is someone under the age of 20-25. Thats what made me think it was an education/parenting/family life deal with this situation. The neighborhood/community rivalry seems to me to be the front for why they fight, but the reason they fight and act out in general is the fact that they are not educated enough to see the flaws in that logic. A big part of why some of these kids are not educated is because they either don't have parents/mentors or they have bad ones. Like I said earlier, I appreciate all of yalls insight into the situation. I always like to know as much as I can about my home town and that is not an area that I knew alot about before hand.

[Muskavon]

Originally Posted by nimsjus

Does Thyssen Krupp owe us a refund? I feel like if they are considering not opening the carbon steel division, then they should refund Mobile County a percentage of the incentives we gave them to lure them here. They are not living up to the promises that they made so why should we have to give them all of the money we promised them. That money could go towards luring other projects to the area and kepp Mobile on this roll that it has been on the last few years.
http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1242206107133410.xml&coll=3

I don't know if today's PR article is any different than yesterday's, but all they seem to be saying is they are delaying that division, not canceling it. They are already pretty committed to it financially with $2.8 bill of $3.25 bill of the division already committed. The article goes on to say that they have till the end of 2015 to have 2,000 full-time workers in order to meet the agreements on incentives. Anyway, beyond the obvious economy situation...it does seem like the construction of their Brazilian plant has been a fiasco since day 1. Since it is the key cog to delivering steel to Mobile for processing, nothing is going to work till that is sorted out anyway. I really don't see ThyssenKrupp as the bad guy in any of this. It's just the unfortunate situation of the times. No sense in making steel simply to stack it up in a field and watch it rust away.