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Old Posted May 11, 2009, 1:42 AM
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I walked by last night and they were having some event at the new restaurant there. I must say, the street presence of the Palomar is outstanding.

Also, the Atlantic's crown is lit up at night now. Haven't seen any pictures of it posted, but it is definitely nice.

I think its good, not great, but it is really exciting to finally see some thought being put into the street level of these buildings.

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I don't know if anyone else has seen this? I drove by the proposed site for 77 5th st. and I was very disapointed to see that they have taken the original proposal sign down that had the taller more sleek rendering. They have now replaced it with a rendering of a very short less powerful looking 5 or 6 story building !!!! What a disapointment !
that is pretty awful. well, i hope it's offices or something to do with centergy. we need employers, not condos or italian restaurants.
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2009, 10:17 PM
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that is pretty awful. well, i hope it's offices or something to do with centergy. we need employers, not condos or italian restaurants.
Thats exactly what I would love to see within the next 10 or so years.... Less 350 ft to 400 ft 40 story condo buildings and a whole lot more 550 ft to 700 ft 45+ story office buildings. I think this city has had enough condo towers built to last 10 to 15 more years. Lets get started back on the office towers. It's a shame that 1180 Peachtree and 12th & Midtown office tower are the only prominent and skyline changing office buildings built / being built in this city since 1997 when the Sam Nunn Federal office building and Monarch Tower were completed.
     
     
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Man, that AJC article about Charlotte making a move to be the new leader of the South really burned my ass. The whole thing reeked of boosterism and bias... for the other team. How in the hell can a higher unemployment rate be seen as a good thing? Never underestimate the power of good journalistic spin. And Charlotte's light rail system is supposedly better than our heavy rail system that is like 4 times bigger and badder? And amazingly there was no mention in the article about airports. One could argue that Atlanta is on the international map BECAUSE of its airport, but apparently this is of no consequence when comparing Charlotte with Atlanta. Oh and nevermind the fact that Atlanta OWNS Charlotte when you consider Fortune 500 companies.

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Old Posted May 11, 2009, 11:46 PM
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Man, that AJC article about Charlotte making a move to be the new leader of the South really burned my ass. The whole thing reeked of boosterism and bias... for the other team. How in the hell can a higher unemployment rate be seen as a good thing? Never underestimate the power of good journalistic spin. And Charlotte's light rail system is supposedly better than our heavy rail system that is like 4 times bigger and badder? And amazingly there was no mention in the article about airports. One could argue that Atlanta is on the international map BECAUSE of its airport, but apparently this is of no consequence when comparing Charlotte with Atlanta. Oh and nevermind the fact that Atlanta OWNS Charlotte when you consider Fortune 500 companies.
Yeah Atlanta is better in almost every way....... who cares. Why does everyone care so much about living in the bigger/baddest city. It is always such a pissing contest. Let them boast. We boast all the time saying we are the New York of the south, I wonder how many laughs the people in New York get out of that.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2009, 3:06 AM
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Man, that AJC article about Charlotte making a move to be the new leader of the South really burned my ass. The whole thing reeked of boosterism and bias... for the other team. How in the hell can a higher unemployment rate be seen as a good thing? Never underestimate the power of good journalistic spin. And Charlotte's light rail system is supposedly better than our heavy rail system that is like 4 times bigger and badder? And amazingly there was no mention in the article about airports. One could argue that Atlanta is on the international map BECAUSE of its airport, but apparently this is of no consequence when comparing Charlotte with Atlanta. Oh and nevermind the fact that Atlanta OWNS Charlotte when you consider Fortune 500 companies.
Yeah, it was clearly written by someone who was just plum smitten with Charlotte.

Anyone who knows anything about either of the cities can see through all of it. Let them have their little feel good article -- hey, 2nd place is cool too

I mean its pretty telling when even the very article itself says that this "take over" of the capitol of the south by charlotte won't happen in any of our lifetimes. Really sounds like something we need to be worried about alright
     
     
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It seemed that one of the main focuses was that our state government has completely dropped the ball when it comes to supporting it's largest city and primary economic engine. The lack of action by the State of Georgia is completely inexcusable and will, if not reversed soon, lead to substantial comparative disadvantages with rival cities in the Southeast.

Traffic, water, regional planning...you name it, the state time and again has failed miserably to address any of these issues. I think this article was meant as a wake up call to all of those jackasses under the gold dome.
     
     
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Regarding this discussion comparing Atlanta to Charlotte, I believe this competition is such a healthy thing for both cities....and it is good for the region. That said - there is no chance IMO that Charlotte could come close to catching Atlanta considering the considerable head start and advantages Atlanta has over Charlotte and most cities for that matter. Our massive investments in transportation, the colleges, urban infrastruction, the airport, and big private sector development will continue the big population growth for the foreseeable future. And with the growth turning inward to the City of Atlanta and finally creating a truly urban place which is beginning to compete with other established big cities, we should see Atlanta vaulting ahead even faster. The master planning that midtown and downtown have done is going to continue to pay dividend for many years as focus shifts towards the Beltline and increasing the City's percentage of parkland. I don't think Atlanta necessarily needs a streetcar for it to be apparent that Atlanta has alot going for it. But I will say after visiting Barcelona a couple of weeks ago and getting inspired by all of the parks and plazas EVERYWHERE, I believe the City needs another "bold gesture" in planning similar to Centennial Olympic Park.....perhaps burying a stretch of the Connector? I'm sure there are some interesting ideas in a design studio at GA Tech.
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Old Posted May 12, 2009, 2:40 PM
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It's Shanghai not Charlotte

The AJC piece on the "competition" between Atlanta and Charlotte for bragging rights for the title Capitol of the South was at best a poorly written slap at the Georgia Legistures for their continuinous failure to act on the non highway transportation issues facing Atlanta and at worse , a poorly written boosterism feature that would embaress the Valdosta chamber of commerce.

What SHOULD have been the thrust of the piece was how the two cities and the reion must collaborate to remain copmpetitive in the global marketplace and that the new national transit policy would provide the seed capital to not only build a globally competive highspeed rail network connecting the entire south with Atlanta at the hub of 2 lines but build the urban centers of the two growing cities as well.

There is ample literature that suggests that the driver of the global market's development is an urban center that creates and sustains a creative class. The cultural,commercial and transportation assets that have propelled cities like Shaghai to prominence exist ,to a lessor degree in places like Atlanta but do not recieve the support to enable them to develop. And that posture has a lot of consequences for the future of not only Atlanta,Charlotte and the south but our nation as a whole.
     
     
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The Atlantic

Looking at the crown of The Atlantic is kind of a disappointment, especially when lit up. I'm glad its not in the Midtown skyline, because in my opinion, it wouldn't fit. It lacks the class that the Midtown skyscrapers offer. Though some, if not a lot of you dislike the crown on The Mansion, The Mansion still has a first class look with its crown, that can't be said about The Atlantic. I'm very happy its not part the Midtown skyline.
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Old Posted May 12, 2009, 3:25 PM
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there is a thread about Charlotte vs Atlanta here

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=168939

it is some fairly good reading from people who dont post in this thread
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2009, 7:07 PM
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The AJC piece on the "competition" between Atlanta and Charlotte for bragging rights for the title Capitol of the South was at best a poorly written slap at the Georgia Legistures for their continuinous failure to act on the non highway transportation issues facing Atlanta and at worse , a poorly written boosterism feature that would embaress the Valdosta chamber of commerce.

What SHOULD have been the thrust of the piece was how the two cities and the reion must collaborate to remain copmpetitive in the global marketplace and that the new national transit policy would provide the seed capital to not only build a globally competive highspeed rail network connecting the entire south with Atlanta at the hub of 2 lines but build the urban centers of the two growing cities as well.

There is ample literature that suggests that the driver of the global market's development is an urban center that creates and sustains a creative class. The cultural,commercial and transportation assets that have propelled cities like Shaghai to prominence exist ,to a lessor degree in places like Atlanta but do not recieve the support to enable them to develop. And that posture has a lot of consequences for the future of not only Atlanta,Charlotte and the south but our nation as a whole.
One thing I've always wondered about threads like these, is what exactly are any of you DOING about Atlanta?

We all sit around obviously being diehard members of atlanta's unofficial booster club, and we all want to see people with vision in charge, doing all the right things, laying the ground work for the future.

What strikes me is a lot of normal people out here on the internet have really, really good ideas about what could be done... but does anyone ever do anything?

Is there anything we *could* do? Is there a community activist organization for normal citizens to pressure our legislators to do what we want? How many of you even vote?

It just sucks IMO that so many people want to see this city succeed on every level, yet I hear and see SO little actual action taking place to get things changed.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2009, 7:19 PM
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Symphony Center Dies

Visionary design for Symphony Center finally dies
Santiago Calatrava’s plan not considered feasible for 14th Street location
By Howard Pousner

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Tuesday, May 12, 2009

It’s back to the drawing boards for the architectural design of a new concert hall for the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra.

Celebrated Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava’s head-turning, $300 million vision for Symphony Center will not survive a proposed change of location to the Woodruff campus, arts center leaders have revealed. The ASO had unveiled the design in 2005 when it intended to build on a 14th Street site a block south of the Woodruff Arts Center.


The Woodruff board will vote Wednesday afternoon on whether to approve a 25-year master plan for the arts center that would include building the new concert hall at the corner of Peachtree and 15th streets. It would sit atop Callaway Plaza, now used for dropoffs and parking at the southwestern edge of the arts center, and require the demolition of a sliver of the existing building.

But what was billed as Calatrava’s “postcard” for Atlanta will not be transferred up Peachtree.

“Anytime you change sites, you have to step back and reconsider the design,” Woodruff vice president Virginia Vann said. “We know that a site dictates design, and to assume you could pick up that design and move it to a different site doesn’t make sense.”

She added that Calatrava has been advised that his design — which featured origami-like architecture topped by a soaring arch — will not be built.

“There will be a process” to select a design for the new site, Vann said, and Calatrava “will be invited to participate in that process.”

It’s not clear if that process will entail another architectural competition, which Calatrava won originally in 2002.

“We don’t know enough about the process at this point to know,” she said.

Calatrava rose to prominence for unusual structures of concrete, glass and steel that are both aerodynamic and anthropomorphic. The Quadracci Pavilion of the Milwaukee Museum of Art, his first U.S. building, received effulgent praise. Time magazine named it the best design of 2001.

The ASO was catching onto an international star when it awarded Calatrava the Symphony Center commission, but some potential donors never cottoned to the site along 14th Street.

Situated on the back of a slope, the center would have fit within a circle of Midtown high-rises. The design featured a ribbed-glass roof surrounded by a metal collar. A smaller building, housing a recital hall and learning center, would have been built on its south side.

When the ASO was performing in Symphony Center, hydraulics-operated “wings” — ordinarily folded around the glass roof over the lobby — were to have opened in a V-formation to reveal a broad panel of glass. At night, when the arch and wings were to be illuminated, the light emitted through the glass roof was to glow like a faceted diamond.

One arts leader called it “a completely new architectural statement for Atlanta.” But some potential donors, including Woodruff trustees, felt the site was wrong and that the design too costly.

Joe Bankoff, who took over as Woodruff CEO in 2006, makes no secret of his interest in continuing to build the Woodruff campus as a pedestrian-friendly nexus for arts activity intown.

The plan being presented to the board Wednesday, and already approved by its executive committee, is a “footprint for the campus of the future,” but with no architectural conception for the new concert hall attached.

The new master plan, developed by Boston-based Sasaki Associates, has focused on logistical issues, including whether the internal needs of a concert hall can be accommodated on the southwest corner of the Woodruff campus, one of nine sites the planners considered.

The new concert hall would connect directly to the arts center’s cavernous basement, an arrangement that would allow a 2,000-seat hall to fit on the small plaza. It would also allow for some existing Symphony Hall facilities, such as instrument storage and rehearsal rooms, to remain, thus reducing construction costs.

The board of the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, a division of the center, approved the new hall site, without a price tag or timeline attached, in mid-March.

The Calatrava design was to have cost $300 million, but fund-raisers couldn’t meet the goal. A total of $114 million was pledged by private donors before the campaign was halted two years ago.

Woodruff president and CEO Joe Bankoff said that money is “still available,” meaning the arts center is confident that donors are still on board even with the change of venues.

ASO and Woodruff leaders had said that public funding would have to pay for a third of the $300 million price tag of the original 14th Street plan, but a commitment from state and city government never materialized.

Without naming a figure, Woodruff officials said the new site would still require public funding in concert with private donations.

Bankoff said the troubled economy will not be an insurmountable challenge for fund-raisers.

“It’s the perfect time to plan for the future and to figure out what the new normal will be,” the Woodruff president said. “We’ll move forward when we can, given the challenges and opportunities the economy may present.”
     
     
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One thing I've always wondered about threads like these, is what exactly are any of you DOING about Atlanta?

We all sit around obviously being diehard members of atlanta's unofficial booster club, and we all want to see people with vision in charge, doing all the right things, laying the ground work for the future.

What strikes me is a lot of normal people out here on the internet have really, really good ideas about what could be done... but does anyone ever do anything?

Is there anything we *could* do? Is there a community activist organization for normal citizens to pressure our legislators to do what we want? How many of you even vote?

It just sucks IMO that so many people want to see this city succeed on every level, yet I hear and see SO little actual action taking place to get things changed.

There are numerous civic organizations that anyone can get involved with. For years I served on the board of the Midtown Neighbors Association (MNA) and was vice chair of NPU-E. These people dedicate quite a bit of their free time to making their neighborhoods and surrounding areas better places to live, and frankly they don't get that much support from the people who live in the areas they represent. Every square inch of the city is represented by one of the 24 (i think) NPU's that were set up under Maynard Jackson. Short of running for elected office or becoming a planner for the city or a developer, this is one of the best ways that ordinary citizens can have a positive impact on their neighborhoods. I would encourage everyone to look into what group represents their neighborhood and get involved.
     
     
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Well Mr. Calatrava gets to keep the $10million the Woodruff has paid him.However they most likely have saved $20 million in maintenence and repair costs that the design would have incurred.The key question now is where to we go from here: a brand new direction regarding the original "arts village" concept developed by Piano or some mediocre knock off the would embarrass the Charlotte Chamber of commerce.
     
     
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Well Mr. Calatrava gets to keep the $10million the Woodruff has paid him.However they most likely have saved $20 million in maintenence and repair costs that the design would have incurred.The key question now is where to we go from here: a brand new direction regarding the original "arts village" concept developed by Piano or some mediocre knock off the would embarrass the Charlotte Chamber of commerce.
a la the Atlantic Station connector bridge...
What a travesty
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It seemed that one of the main focuses was that our state government has completely dropped the ball when it comes to supporting it's largest city and primary economic engine. The lack of action by the State of Georgia is completely inexcusable and will, if not reversed soon, lead to substantial comparative disadvantages with rival cities in the Southeast.

Traffic, water, regional planning...you name it, the state time and again has failed miserably to address any of these issues. I think this article was meant as a wake up call to all of those jackasses under the gold dome.
The reality is that the rural Assemblymen's primary purpose is to funnel state cash to the local rednecks that got them elected. Thats how the state can pay contractors for three years to build a highway off ramp through an empty field connecting to an existing bridge (Warner Robins).
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One thing I've always wondered about threads like these, is what exactly are any of you DOING about Atlanta?

We all sit around obviously being diehard members of atlanta's unofficial booster club, and we all want to see people with vision in charge, doing all the right things, laying the ground work for the future.

What strikes me is a lot of normal people out here on the internet have really, really good ideas about what could be done... but does anyone ever do anything?

Is there anything we *could* do? Is there a community activist organization for normal citizens to pressure our legislators to do what we want? How many of you even vote?

It just sucks IMO that so many people want to see this city succeed on every level, yet I hear and see SO little actual action taking place to get things changed.
As Atlantans, our legislators represent us very well in the Assembly. Its all the other fuddy-duddies representing other areas who always f$ck $hit up.

To your other question, no there really isnt anything we can do. Atlanta is a diamond in the rough. We're not going to start electing progressives anytime soon since most Georgians are not progressive. Maybe there are some altruistic zealots out there who have time on their hands to lobby for state-wide progressivism despite an overwhelmingly conservative electorate. I dont have time or motivation for that. The problem is the city needs the state's money, but the state doesn't want us commies to get it and a commie movement wont change that anytime soon. It blows, but what can you do?
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There are numerous civic organizations that anyone can get involved with. For years I served on the board of the Midtown Neighbors Association (MNA) and was vice chair of NPU-E. These people dedicate quite a bit of their free time to making their neighborhoods and surrounding areas better places to live, and frankly they don't get that much support from the people who live in the areas they represent. Every square inch of the city is represented by one of the 24 (i think) NPU's that were set up under Maynard Jackson. Short of running for elected office or becoming a planner for the city or a developer, this is one of the best ways that ordinary citizens can have a positive impact on their neighborhoods. I would encourage everyone to look into what group represents their neighborhood and get involved.

I dont want to disparage NPU's at all. I think taking on local causes is great and noble etc... But taking on state issues is kind of pointless for the foreseeable future. I mean even after eight years of Bush, Saxby kicked the other guy's ass. That's the reality.
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