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Just another one of Downtown Salt Lake City's amazing architectural masterpieces. The apartments to the right aren't too shabby either.


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Liberty Gateway Apartments 50 south 500 West



Looking at the site plans for this building it will have a "E" shaped layout with wings and open space in the middle. So the facade will not be one continuous wall along 500 west.

Basically imagine a layout similar to the Brigham apartments with the recessed courtyards.

     
     
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KSL shows both layouts of the New Public Safety Building. Here is the video link that shows both layouts.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=6409872

I think I like the 2nd layout better. The one that has two buildings on the Library Block.

What do you guys think?
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KSL shows both layouts of the New Public Safety Building. Here is the video link that shows both layouts.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=6409872

I think I like the 2nd layout better. The one that has two buildings on the Library Block.

What do you guys think?
I like the proposals. Maybe the one that is on the east side would work better because it doesn't seem to turn its back on the library or the city county building. Also, if they build a midrise or taller structure close to the library's curved wall, it will limit the view from the walkway of that wall. I remember the vision of Moshe Safdie, the architect, for the library was to have this ramped curve wall to take advantage of the unique mountain panorama that we have.

I still wonder what they are going to do with the existing building. If they build this new one are they going to tear down the existing one and leave us with another blighted downtown block?
     
     
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Agreed. I'm not sure if I'd like it so close to the library...

I voted FOR the bond in '07 and I think this time around we should be able to get it passed. The City needs and deserves a better facility than the POS they are in right now.
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I wonder if they have thought about the west side of the Matheson? courthouse? I'm talking about that blighted piece on the east side of Main Street between 4th & 5th south. To me that makes sense. It's adjacent to the two courthouses, and grouped with the City/County building/library/courthouse area. What do you guys think?
     
     
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Becker pitches police hub for Library Square

Becker pitches police hub for Library Square
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12317074

Government » Civic campus would include emergency center, amphitheater and open space.

By Derek P. Jensen

Salt Lake City wants to house cops in the heart of its cultural center.

Flanked by politicians and public-safety gurus, Mayor Ralph Becker on Thursday unveiled a $125 million plan for a "civic campus" on the east patch of Library Square that would honeycomb the capital's architectural jewel with a five-story police-fire headquarters and a three-story emergency-operations center.

That "preferred" blueprint already is drawing fire. But a second option -- to take the buildings east of 300 East -- would cost more money.

Either way, a proposed bond to fund the project would go before Salt Lake City voters in November.

Architects say the buildings could be erected cheaper if done on the east end of Library Square -- planners insist they would not block views to or from the award-winning Main Library -- with parking extended underneath.

Still, the city also is negotiating with three property owners on the east side of 300 East to place the safety complex there instead. Officials estimate this option would cost $20 million more.

A decision on which design to pursue could be made by the end of June.

If the city chooses the former, Becker's team notes, a large public "piazza" with grassy open space and a 15,000-seat amphitheater, would be created midblock on the east side of 300 East.

"There will be no net loss of open space," Becker said.

Even so, critics are panning the proposal, saying the cultural square is neither a place to be carved nor an appropriate space for a clunky cop shop.

"This is the closest thing to any sort of park area along the TRAX corridor," said University of Utah student Ari Fogelson, while tapping on his laptop at Library Square and soaking in the sun.

"You can't see through two buildings," argued City Councilman Luke Garrott, who called it ironic that the capital now wants a police headquarters in the same place that once housed the jail and Metropolitan Hall of Justice -- "some of the ugliest buildings in town."

"The massing there is a big mistake," Garrott added, "and I trust the citizens of Salt Lake will see that."

In either location, the plan calls for 300 East to be narrowed to one lane in each direction and given a bend so it is easier to close to traffic for special events.

The city also may erect a large movie screen on the side of the emergency-operations center that could draw families for community flicks in the summer, according to Community and Economic Development Director Frank Gray.

He envisions placing the shops from the library on a plaza facing 400 South, and possibly adding a restaurant, to "engage" the busy corridor
anchored by a TRAX stop. Right now, "it's dead," Gray said. "And that's bad design."

The civic-campus idea, enthusiastically endorsed by Police Chief Chris Burbank and new Fire Chief Tom Shannon, also calls for moving evidence rooms and the police lab to a yet-to-be-determined facility outside of downtown that could be shared by other jurisdictions.

It has not been determined whether the police precinct that exists in the current headquarters would go to the new "campus" or another spot in the Liberty Wells neighborhood.

Few argue the need for the upgrade. The cramped, 50-year-old police center at 315 E. 200 South leaks, violates fire codes, offers little room for evidence and has a crumbling parking garage.

Becker notes the bond cost wouldn't go up -- and "could go down" -- depending on a partnership with the state. The mayor says Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. favors a shared emergency-operations center, although the state would have to fund an additional $40 million to make that a reality.

Becker and two City Council members said they first adamantly opposed placing buildings on the popular Library Square -- "You've got to be kidding me," the mayor remembered thinking -- but reconsidered after seeing the architectural design. Both buildings would go in "blind spots" of the library views, according to Gray.

Moshe Safdie, the famed architect who designed the Main Library, was traveling Thursday and unavailable for comment. But former City Councilwoman Nancy Saxton said his design called for the building to stand alone to make it "more masterful."

"As you start to close it in," she said, "you lessen the importance of it."

Councilman J.T. Martin predicted residents will have "knee-jerk" opposition to the blueprint -- given its proximity to the library. "Let the debate begin," he said.

At the same time, Martin says he is a convert, declaring "it makes sense to have it on this block."

Reading a book in the sun Thursday, resident Bernadette Vasso agreed. "It would make things a lot safer."

But Nicholas Rupp -- as he pushed his child across the plaza in a stroller -- had a different idea. "I like the open space for the festivals," he said. "They should build it in a blighted area, like the empty parking lot that Earl Holding owns."
     
     
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Liberty Gateway Apartments 50 south 500 West



Looking at the site plans for this building it will have a "E" shaped layout with wings and open space in the middle. So the facade will not be one continuous wall along 500 west.

Basically imagine a layout similar to the Brigham apartments with the recessed courtyards.

I was just thinking yesterday how much I like the layout of the Brigham apartments as I drove by them. They have
that very classic layout feel to them. Its hard to tell by the rendering, but if the materials used are well chosen, then
this could be a very nice addition to that area.
     
     
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I don't like the proposed location for the public safety building. I walked around the area yesterday afternoon, looked around, and thought, if anything, the block east of 300 East should be primarily residential with some commercial on 400 East. I do like some of the concepts, like continuing the mid block pedestrian area east to 400 East. Any building over 60 feet tall destroys the views of the City County building and the views from the library. Those views are worth saving. Plus, two separate City Master Plans identify that area as a view corridor and establish view sheds.
     
     
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I hope you guys go down to city hall and picket. The police station on Library Square has to be stopped. I'm too busy.
     
     
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I like the east side of 300 East proposal. I really like the concept of creating a continuos civic space from the Courthouse to the Public Safety Building.

Several have mentioned the possibility of placing in on the Holdings parking lot or SW of the Matheson Courthouse. The problem is stated in the owners name, Holdings owns both parcels mentioned. He won't sell property to anyone, he is determined to simply control that entire area surrounding Grand and Little America. So until he changes his mind set of passes on, don't expect anything to be developed around Grand and Little for a long time.
     
     
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Why is a police station at library square such a bad idea??

I quite like the proposal to put it on the east side of the street:

     
     
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I really like the idea of having them on the library block. The library engages the street so well on the north and west sides, but the east side has so much dead space. Our blocks are so ridiculously huge that if we keep using entire blocks for just one building that entire part of downtown will be completely unwalkable. If they put the same effort into the design of the new buildings as they did for the library I don't think they will clash with the vibe of library square, or the views. I also love how the rendering of that design shows new mid block access and a plaza on the block to the east.

     
     
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Liberty Gateway Apartments 50 south 500 West



Looking at the site plans for this building it will have a "E" shaped layout with wings and open space in the middle. So the facade will not be one continuous wall along 500 west.

Basically imagine a layout similar to the Brigham apartments with the recessed courtyards.

I don't think they are too bad. I think that if they are built right, with the right materials and the right colors they could come together nicely.
     
     
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I'm with the camp that doesn't like the notion of putting the new Civic buildings on Library square. I love that block as is, and think it is currently ideal for its purposes, particularly in regards to events like the Salt Lake Arts Festival. The only change I'd like to see happen to that block is the upgrade to the Leonardo. It is unfortunate that Earl Holding continues to be a stubborn 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 in regards to his property. So many possibilities such as this have come and gone, and will come and go as his prime property continues to be wasted.
     
     
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The Odd Fellows Hall has been turned 180 degrees!!!! It looks so good facing south; sure allows the sun to brighten up it's beautiful face.
     
     
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The comments on the Tribune web site are almost 100 percent against putting the buildings on the Library Square block. It would ruin the view of the leaning, curving ramp that goes to the roof. That is an architectural marvel that shouldn't be hidden. The East side of the street is better, or why not use the buildings to spruce up a blighted area. Is there any reason why they need to be next to the Library? There was supposed to be residential there anyway.
     
     
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The comments on the Tribune web site are almost 100 percent against putting the buildings on the Library Square block. It would ruin the view of the leaning, curving ramp that goes to the roof. That is an architectural marvel that shouldn't be hidden. The East side of the street is better, or why not use the buildings to spruce up a blighted area. Is there any reason why they need to be next to the Library? There was supposed to be residential there anyway.

One of the reason would be that the city already owns the land and would be cheaper just to build them there right next to the Library.
Also as for the view, as long as they built these building no taller then 5-stories then it shouldn't ruin the view.
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