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Was this photo taken today?
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2009, 6:36 PM
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Man, it seems like today is the "Post an awesome picture day" day. This picture is amazing. I can already see it rising out of the skyline.
     
     
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Old Posted May 9, 2009, 3:30 AM
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As much excitement as we have about this one now, I think by the end of the summer we'll be twice as excited. Personally, I can't wait to see the base rise, and once that's completed we will see the form of the Freedom Tower as it rises in the sky.
     
     
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Small shot from the Daily News...
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009..._larry_silverstein_needs_to_shel_ou.html



Construction of the Sept. 11 memorial, left, and the Freedom Tower, right, continues Friday at Ground Zero.
     
     
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Old Posted May 10, 2009, 6:36 PM
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Word on the street (Skyscrapercity) is that more steel was delivered to the site today at 10 o' clock.

Hopefully something huge will happen soon. *keeps fingers crossed that north core will jump*
     
     
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steel wouldn't really have anything to do with the north core jumping

if you see concrete trucks lined up over by 1 wtc, then we can get excited
     
     
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Or maybe that means they will add more to the steel on top of the north core.
     
     
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that's not going to happen until it catches up to the south core
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2009, 11:12 AM
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-05-10-tower_N.htm

Rising at Ground Zero, a symbol of resilience



By Rick Hampson, USA TODAY


NEW YORK — Freedom Tower was going to signify America's determination to rebuild quickly and steeply at Ground Zero after 9/11. It would rise a symbolic 1,776 feet, making it the world's tallest building, and feature an asymmetrical spire that evoked the Statue of Liberty's upraised torch.

Fascinated, the city and nation waited. And waited. And lost patience. And interest.

Yet now — after years of redesigns, blown deadlines, bureaucratic snafus and political infighting, and in the midst of a recession when almost no new skyscrapers are planned anywhere — Freedom Tower's frame is almost 20 stories high, finally visible above the blue construction fences around the 16-acre site that was once Ground Zero.


But it won't be the world's tallest building.

It won't evoke the Statue of Liberty.

It won't open by the 10th anniversary of the terror attacks, in 2011. Or the 11th. Or the 12th.

And it won't be known, officially, as Freedom Tower.

Its tortuous saga shows what can happen when too much is asked of a building, says Chris Ward, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which is building the tower.

Freedom Tower had to be a symbol of a political idea, a monument to what stood in its place, and a profitable real estate venture — "as if the Washington Monument had to be rented out," says Michael Mostoller, an architecture professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology.

And, with its bull's-eye name and site, it had to be safe from terrorism.

"That's a lot of load for any building to carry," Mostoller says.

Years in the making

For once, Freedom Tower's timing is right. When the economy seized up last fall, the project was so far along it was too late to turn back.

"It's happening because it had to happen, because of all that's been invested, financially and emotionally," says Antony Wood, director of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, an industry group.


It's odd to see an office tower ascending at a time when the market for office space has collapsed. Yet super tall buildings — those more than 1,000 feet — typically are planned and designed at the height of an economic boom and constructed during a subsequent downturn.

Wood likens a skyscraper under construction to an iceberg. You see skeletal steel, but you can't see the investment in land acquisition, design, site preparation and materials.

Even if a building is still no more than a foundation, it may be economically impractical to stop — unless the builder runs out of money or credit.

As a result, many super tall buildings are completed even though their builders realize it could take years to fill them.

The Empire State Building, for example, was planned at the end of the Roaring Twenties and completed in the Great Depression year of 1931. Derided as the "Empty State Building," it didn't make money until after World War II.

Some super tall buildings proceed despite economic slumps because they're not really economic propositions. They're designed to enhance a brand — a company's, a nation's or, in the case of Freedom Tower, an idea's.

The building that has been the world's tallest for five years, Taipei 101 in Taiwan (1,670 feet), still is not fully occupied. But that's not such a problem, Wood says, because the tower was intended to boost its nation's global status.

Now, Freedom Tower is part of a global, recession-era skyscraper boom that has helped ruin its chance to be the world's tallest.

The average height of the 10 tallest buildings completed last year was 1,050 feet (about the height of New York's Chrysler Building), the highest since 1997's average of 935 feet.

The average height of the 10 tallest finished this year will jump to 1,378 feet, largely because of the completion of the Burj Dubai tower in the Persian Gulf city of Dubai. (At 2,684 feet, it's 61% taller than Taipei 101, and more than twice as tall as the Empire State Building.) In 2010 the average will rise to about 1,444 feet, Wood estimates.

It's actually a good time to build. Construction costs are down, steel is cheaper, and the unemployment rate in New York's construction trades is 21% and rising.

With 24 cranes on the job, the new World Trade Center has become one of New York's few reliable sources of economic growth.

Work on the site's long-delayed components — including a transportation hub, a 9/11 memorial and museum, Freedom Tower and at least one office building by private developer Larry Silverstein— is expected to generate tens of thousands of jobs by 2016, the Port Authority says.

Freedom Tower alone will cost at least $3.1 billion, with the money coming from the state, the Port Authority and insurance on the old Trade Center.

The current state of the market for office space is irrelevant to the tower's ultimate success, Wood says.

Freedom Tower won't be ready for another four or five years; by then the economy probably will have rebounded — and with it the demand for premium, high-rise views.


A response to terrorism

From the first hours after hijackers flew two jets into the twin towers of the World Trade Center, New Yorkers felt the urge to restore their shattered skyline.

Brian Lyons was a construction manager who watched the towers fall as he looked out his office window. His younger brother, Michael, a firefighter, was at Ground Zero.

The next day, Brian, wearing Michael's backup fire gear for protection, went to the site and joined the search.

He was there when Michael's remains were found.

Even then, he says, "in the back of my mind, I had to rebuild Ground Zero. I thought, 'We're gonna clean this place up, and then we're gonna rebuild it bigger and better than any place that's ever been rebuilt.' "

In December 2003, a design was unveiled for what then-New York governor George Pataki called "Freedom Tower." It would top out by the fifth anniversary of 9/11, he promised; by the 10th anniversary, it would be occupied.

If the project had kept to the promised schedule, for a while the tower would have been the world's tallest building — a title conferred by the Tall Buildings Council to "habitable buildings" with frames and floors throughout. (That definition excludes structures such as the CN Tower in Toronto.)

Silverstein, who had leased the Trade Center and claimed the right to rebuild, had his own ideas about how and where the tower should be built. Stalemate.

Even so, on July 4, 2004, with his party's Republican National Convention coming to town the next month, Pataki helped dedicate a cornerstone inscribed: "To honor and remember those who lost lives on Sept. 11, 2001, and as a tribute to the enduring spirit of freedom."

The following year, however, the New York Police Department, which had not previously been consulted, said the planned tower would be too close to a major boulevard and too vulnerable to a truck bomb.

Architects designed a new tower farther from traffic with a virtually windowless, 20-story concrete base. It would be topped by a symmetrical, 408-foot antenna tower to bring its official height to 1,776 feet.

New York Times architecture critic Nicolai Ouroussoff called it "a monument to a society that has turned its back on any notion of cultural openness ... an impregnable tower braced against the outside world." From a distance, he said, it resembled "a gigantic glass paperweight with a toothpick stuck on the top."

The cornerstone, now rendered obsolete by the tower's new location, was trucked to a stonecutting yard on Long Island, where it sits to this day.

Freedom Tower had become a joke. Campaigning for governor, Democrat Eliot Spitzer called it "a white elephant" on which he might pull the plug.

Who would work in a building whose name and design seemed to define itself as a terror target? One obvious tenant was the Port Authority, which built, owned and had its offices in the Trade Center, and which in 2006 took over construction of Freedom Tower from Silverstein.

In 2003, when Freedom Tower was unveiled, Port Authority Executive Director Joseph Seymour said that on 9/11 employees of his agency "lost their home. ... I think they all want to come back here."

By 2006, however, Port Authority Chairman Anthony Coscia had heard an earful from employees who'd fled attacks on the Trade Center in 1993 and 2001. He said the Authority would not move into Freedom Tower and that he'd resign before he'd force employees to do so.


The Authority also began to back away from Pataki's name for the building. "One World Trade Center" began to appear after "Freedom Tower" — in parentheses or after a comma.

This year, when the building's first non-governmental lease was announced, Port Authority publicity described the tower as One World Trade Center; Freedom Tower was a parenthetic afterthought.

Some believe the tower's name was changed to allay fears of another terrorist attack and thus make it easier to lease. "Would you want to work up in that building?" asks Lori Solomon, a downtown office worker, as she walks past the site.

Port Authority officials won't talk directly about terrorism fears but say that using the tower's "legal address" is the best strategy for filling it with office tenants. "We want to present the building in the best possible way," Coscia says, and One World Trade Center is "easiest for people to identify with."

Freedom Tower will contain 2.6 million square feet, including space for offices (floors 20 to 90) and an observation deck and restaurant (top floors 101 and 102). So far, two government agencies — the federal General Services Administration and the state Office of General Services — together have promised to lease more than 1 million square feet. A Chinese firm has signed up for another 190,000.

The Freedom Tower will be the nation's tallest building, displacing Chicago's Sears Tower, which took the world title from the World Trade Center towers in 1973 and was itself dethroned by the Petronas Towers in Malaysia a quarter-century later.

Last month, a forecast prepared for the Port Authority said the Freedom Tower would not be fully leased until 2019.
     
     
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Yet now — after years of redesigns, blown deadlines, bureaucratic snafus and political infighting, and in the midst of a recession when almost no new skyscrapers are planned anywhere — Freedom Tower's frame is almost 20 stories high, finally visible above the blue construction fences around the 16-acre site that was once Ground Zero.
They must be mezzanine floors...





Seriously, can't they count?
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2009, 6:54 PM
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Using my trusty ruler, they did a little injustice to the new tower. It's 10% shorter than the old ones in the diagram. Makes a big difference when you see them side by side like that.

Not that I'd expect that rag to be accurate in any way.
Although, they did get one thing right....That forecast was definitely prepared "for the Port Authority".
     
     
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They must be mezzanine floors...
Seriously, can't they count?
It's a reference to being nearly 200 ft high...
     
     
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