Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[WASDEN]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

Doesn't that make you just as narrow-minded as the people you try so hard to distance yourself from? Narrowing the places you would consider living based on belief and behavioral differences of other people to "0.00001%" is certainly not reasonable. Of course, it is your every right to this opinion, I'm just saying that you're not a whole lot different from people on the polar opposite end of the cultural spetrum. You don't need to worry about other people "contaminating" your kids' thoughts. Just raise them in a way you see fit as a parent, then let them decide whatever lifestyle they choose to lead. I have been raised in both suburban and inner-city areas and have decided my own lifestyle without being "contaminated" with inner-city or suburban behaviors. I think it is good to be exposed to the most people as possible because it gives you a better feel for how you relate to others and how you want to live. People give you tons of good examples of how not to be and how to be. Just pick and choose, but ultimately define yourself. Same goes for your kids. People are nothing to be scared of.

Ouch Logic! Chill buddy I'm not tryin to pick a fight with all of suburbia . But could I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is and come raise some kiddies downtown? That is if its no big deal like you suggest. At least I'm being honest when I say I'm not even gonna try and raise mine in West Jordan.

[Smuttynose1]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

I think I would have liked the aesthetic of the Wells Fargo building from this angle better if it looked like this:

I haven't been to Salt Lake just yet, and overall the downtown really looks beautiful, but that large surface parking lot on the right does bring a tear to my eye.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Smuttynose1

I haven't been to Salt Lake just yet, and overall the downtown really looks beautiful, but that large surface parking lot on the right does bring a tear to my eye.

Mine too.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

I think I might be the lone one who really likes the Wells Fargo Building. The fact its looks change varying on the angle makes it unique in my opinion.

I also think it's the perfect height, which I expressed last year. If it topped out at over 800-feet, I think it definitely would have made the skyline far more lopsided on that end.

I've always quite liked the building, too.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Smuttynose1

I haven't been to Salt Lake just yet, and overall the downtown really looks beautiful, but that large surface parking lot on the right does bring a tear to my eye.

Me too. I'm just wanting for Wasatch Partners to get off their butts and built the 33-story tower on that site.

[TANGELD_SLC]

After this long of a wait, they should make it a slender 45 stories, and 700 feet tall
It is HIGH TIME for a new city tallest. One that won't be beat out by Gehry's hotel in Lehi.
Ah, and with Residential units on the top 5-10 floors

You just need demand for 328,125 Sqft. of Office/Retail space and about 20-30 residential units. Make the tower 75'x125' and give about 15 feet of space between each floor and you have 675 ft plus you could easily add a 25-50' crown or spire on it.

LET IT BE DONE!

[Urban_logic]

Originally Posted by WASDEN

Ouch Logic! Chill buddy I'm not tryin to pick a fight with all of suburbia . But could I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is and come raise some kiddies downtown? That is if its no big deal like you suggest. At least I'm being honest when I say I'm not even gonna try and raise mine in West Jordan.

I'm not mad or anything, as I said, it's your opinion and lifestyle preference. I was merley pointing out how your line of thinking is the same as the "family friendly" suburban mentality - just in the other direction, but just as narrow in preference scope. Seeing as I have lived in down town (about 2 miles east in the H.Y. area) and in places like East L.A., I would have no probelm raising kids down town as far as culture goes. I will only be having a couple kids, so a more urban setting would not be that difficult for me when I have kids. People with larger families, however, have more important concerns than just risking "contamination" of their kids behaviors. Seeing as you can buy a house twice the size for half as much on the west side of the valley than the east side or down town, larger families are economicaly drawn to these areas.

As for myself, I have a number of places in which I would consider raising my kids. I hate to say it on here, but it's probably not going to be in Utah. I will most likely go back to San Francisco, which is much larger and more urban than SLC, and I would have no problem raising kids there. There are many nice neighborhoods in the S.F. area - Haight-Ashbury, the Marina district, the Richmond, the Twin Peaks area - all within miles from down town. There are also many suburban areas in the greater Bay Area that would be nice as well - Hilsburough, Walnut Creek, Dublin/Pleasenton, Palo Alto, San Meteo, etc.

My options are quite open, that way I am not constrained by personal convictions to only a few select areas. I am generally more conservative in lifestyle, so living in the Haight-Ashbury district would be quite out of my comfort zone, yet I find these differences as the reason why I would love to live in such a place - for the culture and diversity. With the Castro just a few blocks away, there will be plenty of folks within the GLBT community that I will have the privelege to associate with, as will my kids.

I guess West Jordan is to me as down town SLC is to you - a comfort zone where I am surrounded by people with lifestyles similar to my own. The only problem is that I don't like to be surrounded by carbon-copies of myself. I like to get a different persepctive by living with people who subscribe to lifestyles different from my own. West Jordan and South Jordan are nice places, and I enjoy living in them, but it's the fact that I fit in that makes me want to leave for areas that give me diversity from my lifestyle preference. And, if you recall, I do not dislike SLC proper at all. I dislike snooty attidudes held be people in SLC about the suburbs, but I love the city. I would have no problem living there. I have before, and would again.

[WASDEN]

Right on man. I just like it downtown so much I probably get carried away sometimes (you know, like cheering on a favorite football team or something). I don't mean to come off as "snooty" or "narrow-minded".

[East2Westback]

Originally Posted by TANGELD_SLC

After this long of a wait, they should make it a slender 45 stories, and 700 feet tall
It is HIGH TIME for a new city tallest. One that won't be beat out by Gehry's hotel in Lehi.
Ah, and with Residential units on the top 5-10 floors

You just need demand for 328,125 Sqft. of Office/Retail space and about 20-30 residential units. Make the tower 75'x125' and give about 15 feet of space between each floor and you have 675 ft plus you could easily add a 25-50' crown or spire on it.

LET IT BE DONE!

I love all of the things you said but you blew it up when you you stated
"you just need demand for 328,125 Sq Feet. Hilarious.

Looking at the for rent on the HP building kind of defines the need for a 600+ foot building. Especially now.

Of course you always go with the mindset that if it is built now, it will cost much less in the long run. Yeah, it will be empty but you cannot have everything.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by TANGELD_SLC

After this long of a wait, they should make it a slender 45 stories, and 700 feet tall
It is HIGH TIME for a new city tallest. One that won't be beat out by Gehry's hotel in Lehi.
Ah, and with Residential units on the top 5-10 floors

You just need demand for 328,125 Sqft. of Office/Retail space and about 20-30 residential units. Make the tower 75'x125' and give about 15 feet of space between each floor and you have 675 ft plus you could easily add a 25-50' crown or spire on it.

LET IT BE DONE!

Heck yea. If Sandy and Lehi believe that they both can support a 500+ foot tower then Salt Lake should too. Come on Salt Lake, it's time for a new tallest.

[cololi]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

I dislike snooty attidudes held be people in SLC about the suburbs, but I love the city. I would have no problem living there. I have before, and would again.

Don't confuse someone's dislike for the suburbs as being snooty. I have many friends who live in the suburbs. I personally don't care for that environment. That is all.

[Comrade]

I'll admit it. I'm snooty. I hate the suburbs. I think they overuse land, promote pollution and are a huge reason for the rising obesity rates in our country today.

I think suburbs post-1950s have ultimately been a boil on the ass of America and I would love nothing more than to pop it. If it weren't for some family living out in the suburbs, I'd probably never venture south of 3300 South.

[Comrade]

This was posted in the Phoenix thread and is an aerial of Houston many moons ago:



We bitch about our parking lot problem, but look at that! Holy shit.

Really, we're starting with a decent template for downtown. A nice mix of historical buildings and newer buildings, a fine transit system and hopefully a growing residential population.

Now I don't ever expect Salt Lake to be like Houston, but at least we're not starting out like that.

[Future Mayor]

WOW! That's horrible. I would venture to guess that they had a larger surface lot sf to office sf ratio in this picture than we currently do. So at least we're ahead of the game in that sense.

[shakman]

Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

This was posted in the Phoenix thread and is an aerial of Houston many moons ago:



We bitch about our parking lot problem, but look at that! Holy shit.

Really, we're starting with a decent template for downtown. A nice mix of historical buildings and newer buildings, a fine transit system and hopefully a growing residential population.

Now I don't ever expect Salt Lake to be like Houston, but at least we're not starting out like that.

A number of those lots have been developed over the years. Houston did what a number of cities have done... demolition for future development.

That has to be one of the worst photo's I have ever seen.

[rodan]

Tmac, I love the pictures of salt lake with your new camera they look amazing.

[SLC Projects]

Earl Holding's dream come true.

[WASDEN]

Just for a frame of reference, the black outline is roughly equivalent to 1 Salt Lake City block.



There are a lot of additional empty parking lots around the Earl Holding block in SLC, so we may be just slightly better than the nasty featured in this photo, but not by much. There's also that huge empty lot just East of the Triad Center now that I think of it. I'm not aware of any serious plans for either of those blocks at the moment. In the meantime it'd be nice if the Triad Center parking lot could be landscaped like the Holding block

[delts145]

Good idea to put the line in there Wasden. Really gives a good perspective to the giant size of out blocks.

Looking back over the recent past, some good headway has been made around Temple Square in getting rid of some of the lots. I'm anxious too, to see those lots to the west of the Triad filled in with new expansion of the college campus. I imagine we'll have to wait for CCC to be finished and up and functioning successfully first though.

[delts145]

Preserving of S.L. open space is celebrated

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705301840/Preserving-SL-open-space.html

Salt Lake leaders and environmentalists are celebrating the preservation of "one of the largest underdeveloped natural open spaces in the Salt Lake City metropolitan area."

After three years of working to secure the land, a deal to preserve the Wasatch Hollow Natural Open Space area, 5.5 acres near 1600 East and 1750 South, was finalized Wednesday morning, said Salt Lake City Councilman JT Martin...

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