Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Page 491

SLCforme · #**9801** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 2:22 PM**

This is only for Residential Mixed Use, not strictly residential. The area has restaurants and shops and offices, as well as residential, so I don't think it's out of character for the area. I think it's a good idea so long as they make them stay low key little quiet bars, not clubs. I agree that it could cut down on drunk driving and I've always wanted a neighborhood bar to go to where everyone knows your name.

Future Mayor · #**9802** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 2:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by shakman

Having to live next to three bars and a nightclub, I would find it horrible if SLC allowed bars in residential areas. I would feel sorry for those who have to put up with obnoxious drunks, fights and plain old immature behavior from 1:00am until 4:00am.

What we all have to be aware of, it that the zoning is RMU, residential mixed use. These areas already allow things such as hair and nail salons, restaurants, dry cleaners, offices, etc. a bar could simply be another neighborhood retail establishment. As the article points out there are two particular bars that are requesting the change. These bars already exist in these RMU zones and simply want to be able to serve liquor as opposed to just beer.

Making this change really can provide some vibrancy to these neighborhoods. It's promotes pedestrian traffic later into the evening which can promote a since of vibrancy.

I'm all for it in the RMU's!

Future Mayor · #**9803** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 2:23 PM**

Looks like we said about the same thing.

shakman · #**9804** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 2:40 PM**

I understand the concept of RWU's and pedestrian traffic. If there was an ordinance that would strictly limit the hours of operation and locations of such establishments, then I just may say "ok" at best. Better yet, let the neighborhood HOA's do the voting.

Please understand that I am a dry person who thinks more about family life then bars. The older one gets, the worse it can become.

Throw in a

type of wife and then one is screwed.

Future Mayor · #**9805** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 4:00 PM**

There are no neighborhood HOA's in the city here. There are community councils that represent areas of the city, but they have no legislative authority.

Comrade · #**9806** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 7:40 PM**

Thank God there are no HOA's here. They're as rigid as the Nazis.

Orlando · #**9807** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 9:11 PM**

This might be a little off-topic, but there have been massive lay-offs in the architecture profession, well, at least here in Portland. The firm I was layed off from, has reduced its staff from about 40 to 19 now. A firm of about the same size has completely shut down. Other large firms have layed off as much as much as 1/3 to 1/2 of their staff.

Viperlord · #**9808** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 12:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

This might be a little off-topic, but there have been massive lay-offs in the architecture profession, well, at least here in Portland. The firm I was layed off from, has reduced its staff from about 40 to 19 now. A firm of about the same size has completely shut down. Other large firms have layed off as much as much as 1/3 to 1/2 of their staff.

I work for an engineering firm in Downtown Salt Lake. We had 50 people working for us 2 years ago, now we are down to 22. We subleased out half of our office space, now we are crowded all on one floor. Our Structural department, and Land Development department are bleeding left and right, and arent making money, Our Survey department is about dead as well. The only department that is making money right now is our Infrastructure department. They dont see Land Development, structural or survey turning around for atleast 3 years. So, we are expecting more cuts in those departments. Infrastructure is where the money is at right now.

delts145 · #**9809** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 12:57 PM**

Springtime Downtown Salt Lake City ~ Here's To Next Season

sterkworks

shakman · #**9810** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 1:27 PM**

I read reports of other architecture firms reducing some of their workforce across the Country.

I know of some general contractors who are relocating personel across the Country from areas of lite acitivity to areas where resources are needed, rather than hiring.

delts145 · #**9811** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 7:37 PM**

Sugarhouse

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I saw an article in the paper sitting on someone counter on Sunday and don't recall anyone mentioning it on the forum.

If I remember the article correctly they broke ground for the Urbana on 11th condo's either on Friday or Saturday. I search the Trib and the News online but couldn't seem to find the article.

Anyway I purused the website and of the 29 units, 30 counting the work space of the live work. There are already 2 units sold. That's nearly 7%

I really like the conceptual look of them and think they are ideal for that location in the city.

http://www.urbanaoneleventh.com/

SLC Projects · #**9812** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 7:46 PM**

Every time I see pictures of anything that has to do with the Utah Jazz I can't help but to roll my eyes after this disappointed season.

delts145 · #**9813** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 10:39 PM**

I know there are several reasons for the disapointing season, not the least of which were the overwhelming and constant injuries. However, I can't help but wonder if now wouldn't have been a good time for Sloan to retire. He's a great man, but I have continued to wonder how effective he is at motivating the team in recent times.

Urban_logic · #**9814** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 11:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by shakman

Having to live next to three bars and a nightclub, I would find it horrible if SLC allowed bars in residential areas. I would feel sorry for those who have to put up with obnoxious drunks, fights and plain old immature behavior from 1:00am until 4:00am.

Personally, I would have to agree with you on this at a personal preference level. I would hate to live next to several clubs with loud music, drunks fighting, etc. But that is why I live in West Jordan. At a legislative level, I think it is perfectly reasonable for SLC to allow bars and clubs to move into mixed-use developments in the city because the people who live in those developments will most likely either not care about the night life below them, or they will live there because of such night life. If you don't like it, you can join me in West Jordan, or choose a development to live in that doesn't have such bars and clubs. I think this is a great decision because it expands choices for people with different personal preferences. People like you and me can choose developments in quieter locations without bars and clubs, whereas people who love the party scene can live by them simultaneously. Win-win, right?

Sight-Seer · #**9815** Posted **May 1, 2009, 2:10 PM**

That picture from the Triad is of what was supposed to be the west end of the skybridge that would extend across 3rd West. What a fiasco that was.

I remember sneaking into the Utah Arts festival through there. They've really tightened up access since then. There was also a restaurant up there called The Bridge or something.

shakman · #**9816** Posted **May 1, 2009, 2:15 PM**

Win-win to an extent. On a personal level - no.

It just limits my choices to where I can reside in an urban environment in order to raise a family. I may move to a quiet area, but then some nightlife type retail opens after the fact. I cannot keep moving around. Hence why I made a suggestion of limiting hours of operation and spacing these types of establishments. In my opinion that sounds more like a win-win on all levels.

I guess I need to find a neighborhood with families and less young singles...

WeST · #**9817** Posted **May 1, 2009, 4:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by shakman

Win-win to an extent. On a personal level - no.

It just limits my choices to where I can reside in an urban environment in order to raise a family. I may move to a quiet area, but then some nightlife type retail opens after the fact. I cannot keep moving around. Hence why I made a suggestion of limiting hours of operation and spacing these types of establishments. In my opinion that sounds more like a win-win on all levels.

I guess I need to find a neighborhood with families and less young singles...

Too often urban areas cater to the single crowd and all the things that many in that demographic are interested in and that is a problem for cities that want to encourage young families, full sized families and empty nesters to take up residence.

I don't have a problem with this decision if they have regulations in place that respect the fact they are in a residential area that has people who live a different lifestyle.

DMTower · #**9818** Posted **May 1, 2009, 5:06 PM**

^^^ This is the reason why our city ordinance needs to change to allow for bars to cluster next to each other. That way all the noise can be in one place and people can just avoid living near certain areas. This would also benefit the nightlife.

shakman · #**9819** Posted **May 1, 2009, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by DMTower

^^^ This is the reason why our city ordinance needs to change to allow for bars to cluster next to each other. That way all the noise can be in one place and people can just avoid living near certain areas. This would also benefit the nightlife.

Excellent point made. In addition, keep the clusters spread. Instead creating a place that avoids someone's right to live, provide some sort buffer in order to mitigate potential noise issues.

WeST - The trend here on the East Coast is such that young families and the so called "empty nesters" are starting to trickle their way back into the urban enivornment. This is mainly due to convenience and urban cities cleaning up their act. Cities such Wasington, DC; Richmond, VA; and NYC have had increases in their respective population due to this trend. Point being: Urban centers can cater to any types of population.

Justnslcsugarhood. · #**9820** Posted **May 1, 2009, 6:23 PM**

Shakman, I think the issue in slc is that we are only catering to families and not to anything else. I agree with you on most of your posts but you seem to think that in Utah the family is being superseded by night life which is not the case. There are no places in this city that cater to night life or some one who does not fit the cookie cuter life style.