Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 49

metroXpress · #**961** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 2:49 AM**

^ I'll go put it on right now....wait, I am not an officer!!!???

Whalleyboy · #**962** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 4:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Allen

Found this interesting point that we can add from the Metropolitan Council:

I don't think we and the businesses want to hear bells and horns all day on Braodway...

http://www.metrocouncil.org/transportation/ccorridor/ccfaq.htm

i went to that site.its amazing how little is left for parking

What will happen to on-street parking on University Avenue?
University Avenue will retain 175 of its 1,150 on-street parking spaces after 675 spots are removed to make way for mandatory elements such as the 15 LRT stations, 250 are eliminated to accommodate non-signalized pedestrian crossings, 40 are removed to provide secondary station access, 20 are lost to make room for three-car station platforms and 40 are eliminated to allow space for minimizing traffic lane transitions. Project studies show 560 on-street parking spaces are available on north-south cross streets within a block of the corridor and 15,300 off-street parking spaces are available within one block of University Avenue. A 2006 city of St. Paul study found 25,000 spaces in private lots within one-quarter mile of the 15 LRT stations. See the City of St. Paul's parking strategies (pdf). Outreach coordinators have gone door-to-door to survey businesses about their parking needs.

mr.x · #**963** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 5:02 PM**

Check out the response we've made to Jonhston's post at:
http://ubcskytrain.wordpress.com/

If there's anything you'd like to add or even correct, please mention it asap.

Metro-One · #**964** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 5:49 PM**

I think you forgot to debunk their myth that no other cities are building ALRT. We should show the list of Asian cities that have (which believe in good strong public transit, not cheep American styles) along with the fact that the worlds best transit systems have extensive grade separated metros and that 4 of the 5 newest systems established are grade separated, etc...

mr.x · #**965** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 5:56 PM**

If one of you could give me a list of all automated systems (not just ALRT) built around the world over the last decade or two, that would be great.

Metro-One · #**966** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 5:57 PM**

Mr. X, your inbox is full!

anyways, here is part of my comment i was trying to send you;

I see you included my point about how long it is taking to construct the Granville street redesign. Such a perfect example in our back yard to debunk that 1 month lie! But in that section i think you should specify which blocks we are talking about (the ones near the bridge) because knowing these LRT supporters they could twist it as if we are talking about the Canada Line station blocks.

officedweller · #**967** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 8:02 PM**

Just a note that you should change the reference to the trunk sewer being under Broadway - it's under 8th Avenue - but there would still be a miriad of utilities under Broadway itself that would require relocating.

BTW -the site looks awesome.

cornholio · #**968** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 8:06 PM**

Good job.
Just want to add that when I said a crossing light for pedestrians requires 1.5min than I was estimating. Someone should go and actually either find out the real time or just go and time one.

When its mentioned that we arent against LRT in Surrey, etc. I think it should be explained better what we mean, and thats that we arent against LRT in the right situations. Out of the city core where you have existing rights of way, long blocks, limited cross traffic etc. and where the LRT line can compete with Skytrain speed and frequency wise and beat it price wise. For example King George highway(it has very long blocks, plenty of space for a right of way, limited cross streets and you probably can push the LRT to above 50kmph.

I also think there should be more links to back up what we say, for example regarding the C-Train capacity I posted a link with all the numbers. Or for the costs we should find a document that compares them and link it, there should be plenty of them out there.

mr.x · #**969** Posted **Apr 29, 2009, 9:44 PM**

^ i'll post the links you posted and other changes later....if you guys have any information you'd like to share or links to documents/websites that back up the data we posted, just post them here in this topic and we'll try to synthesize it and post it into the blog.

metroXpress · #**970** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 2:48 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I think you forgot to debunk their myth that no other cities are building ALRT. We should show the list of Asian cities that have (which believe in good strong public transit, not cheep American styles) along with the fact that the worlds best transit systems have extensive grade separated metros and that 4 of the 5 newest systems established are grade separated, etc...

I found one here....Taipei is currently building ALRT for two of their lines and it is from Bombardier!

Taipei MRT Projects

Light Metro (Construction)

Rolling Stock: Bombardier

Brown Line - Neihu Extension, 2010 (U/C)
14.8 km
12 stations

Orbital Line, 2014 (Planning)
15.4 km
14 stations
http://www.trtc.com.tw/e/

HERE IS ANOTHER LINK TO THE BOMBARDIER SITE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECT

http://www2.bombardier.com/neihu/en/news.jsp

metroXpress · #**971** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 2:51 AM**

Pics of the car and others

nname · #**972** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 2:52 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen

I found one here....Taipei is currently building ALRT for two of their lines and it is from Bombardier!

The Taipei one is actually VAL (rubber tire)

Overground · #**973** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 2:59 AM**

Fabulous job on the website!!

One thing, perhaps with the Debunking Myths page it should be - LRT Supporters Say: or LRT Supporters Suggest:

It might give better clarification in conjunction with the following debunk points.

STEELWHEELS · #**974** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 3:21 AM**

Was the Copenhagen Metro mentioned? Driverless, 21 km long, 22 stations.
Looks much like a SkyTrain type ALRT. This will be expanding to 37 stations
eventually. Another example to counter that "cities don't build ALRT lines anymore" statement.

metroXpress · #**975** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 3:31 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname

The Taipei one is actually VAL (rubber tire)

My attempt, at least they are automated.

metroXpress · #**976** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 3:36 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEELWHEELS

Was the Copenhagen Metro mentioned? Driverless, 21 km long, 22 stations.
Looks much like a SkyTrain type ALRT. This will be expanding to 37 stations
eventually. Another example to counter that "cities don't build ALRT lines anymore" statement.

Thanks. They are fully automated.

Quote:

Planned routes
Diagram of the Copenhagen Metro showing the approximate positions of the proposed lines M3 and M4.

As of 2007, the Metro company plans to let the track be served by two new lines, the M3 and M4. These will run on the same tracks, but the M3 will run on the entire line, where the M4 will shuttle only the eastern half of the line, from København H to Nørrebro. This will equalize the amount of passengers in the busiest part of the line.

Quote:

A map published by the Metro company shows an additional three potential lines extending into the suburbs of metropolitan Copenhagen.[3] If these lines become approved, two of them will be extensions of the M4.

metroXpress · #**977** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 3:39 AM**

Here's a list of the Driverless systems in ASIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_driverless_trains

Quote:

Asia

*People's Republic of China - has 90 seconds between two trains and it features driverless operation.[citation needed]

* Hong Kong International Airport Automated People Mover in Hong Kong is driverless.

*Hong Kong MTR M-Train EMU the M-Stock is 80 km/h, and are fitted for driverless operation.

* Hong Kong Disneyland Resort Line - two train shuttle. Known Disney characters are included inside of the trains, such as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.

* Japan Uozaki Station - junction for the Rokko Liner, a driverless monorail-like system from JR Sumiyoshi to the man-made ...

* Japan At Motomachi, number of limited express trains carry on along the Sanyo Railway to Himeji ... ... change at this station for the Rokko Liner, a driverless monorail system from JR Sumiyoshi to the man-made island.

* Malaysia Kelana Jaya Line - further extend, one of the longest automated driverless metro system, the Prasarana to buy trains worth RM1.2bil [1]

* Malaysia - Aerotrain (KLIA) |vehicles = 2 CX-100 trains Aerotrain is a driverless people mover system located within the Kuala Lumpur.

* Singapore Light Rail Transit (Singapore) - All cars are fully automated and driverless, and are controlled from their respective stations

Exterior view of Senja Station

* Singapore North East MRT Line automated and driverless rapid transit line. The line is [[1 E4 m|20 ... Presently, trains operate at 4-minute frequencies during peak hours ...

* South Korea Seoul Subway Line 5 is the only subway line in Korea to have driverless operation implemented at one point (1996). The Sin Bundang Line is under construction in 2008. [2]

*South Korea Seoul Subway Line 5

mr.x · #**978** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 5:07 AM**

REQUEST FOR PICTURES:

Some pictures of LRT construction on a road similar to Broadway Street and 10th Avenue would be nice.

fever · #**979** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 6:46 AM**

These aren't really similar to Broadway except in width and maybe density. They're more like streetcars than lrt, but at least they show some different configurations.

I'm not sure these are really the greatest examples for Broadway because most of these cities have other modes for longer distances. For example, the approach in Amsterdam might be to build a streetcar on Broadway, but also to put a regional line on the arbutus/south false creek corridor.

Berlin

By bob1324987134290, shot with Canon PowerShot A420 at 2009-04-29

Rome

By bob1324987134290, shot with Canon PowerShot A420 at 2009-04-29

Brussels

By bob1324987134290 at 2009-04-29

Amsterdam

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officedweller · #**980** Posted **Apr 30, 2009, 7:54 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname

The Taipei one is actually VAL (rubber tire)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzha_Line

Wikipedia says that the Mucha Line was originally a VAL system - but with the extension into the Neihu Line, Bombardier - as an alternate supplier - is retrofitting the original VAL cars with new automatic train controls and also manufacturing new vehicles (presumably to the VAL physical dimensions) - they look like Bombardier airport peoplemover vehicles.