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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 1:13 AM
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 2:24 AM
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Guys, it's over. Seriously, the Jazz haven't won in LA since the Stockton and Malone era and that isn't changing this year. The Lakers are arguably the best team in the league and the Jazz are possibly playing the worst ball of any team in the NBA. I'd be surprised if this series goes 6.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 5:46 AM
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I walked this block today, and came up with the idea of demolishing the children's theater for a through street, cutting up the block a bit so it can breath. I was surprised to find a neat little building which is on the National Register of Historic Places that I had never seen before. Would like to see it being put to good use. I also had fun imagining a lively district with ethnic shops. I've illustrated some of my ideas here:

The interior of that block, particularly Edison Street from 200 South north to where Floral Street curves and joins Edison, is awesome; the few small shops on the west side of the Guthrie Building (which is fantastic and should be on the register, too) make it very "un-Salt Lake." That section of Edison, along with Floral Street, is an area I use frequently for TV and photo shoots. It looks "urban" enough with the storefronts, but rarely has pedestrians so the city is pretty liberal with filming permits there. I know your goal is to increase pedestrian activity, and I fully support that, but it's very useful as-is!

The little building you refer to must be the Christopher Cramer House at 241 Floral St. Built in 1890, it's the oldest remaining residential structure in the CBD. Cramer designed and built the two story structure himself; he was a florist (hence "Floral Street") and kept a shop at 32 S. Main. Frankly, I'm amazed it survived the Broadway Center construction, but I'm glad it did. Let's hope that any future plans for the block, like yours, include it. As you probably know, National Register designation doesn't protect the structure at all; plus, it's gotten a little rundown since its restoration in 1982 and could use a little help again. The RDA owns it, of course, but last I looked (last summer) it appeared someone still lived there.

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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 3:15 PM
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Two Million Bones for Richards Ct Towers

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OK, so $2 million for a family loft downtown sounds steep. So, too, does $1 million for a one-bedroom condo or a half-million for a stylish but teensy studio.

But maybe not -- for a moneyed Mormon who yearns to live across the street from the faith's most iconic symbol: the Salt Lake Temple.

After all, how much would a Catholic pay for a condo view of the Vatican or an Orthodox Jew to live near the Wailing Wall?

Those seven-digit eyepoppers mark the majority of the sticker prices for City Creek Center's first two residential towers, being built and bankrolled by the LDS Church. And early signs show they are quickly filling up.

"The prices are higher than maybe what some will expect," conceded Ryan Kirkham, president of the Salt Lake Board of Realtors. "But, frankly, I think they'll get 'em."

Downtown Realtor Babs De Lay agrees, saying City Creek, which borders Temple Square, may be immune to the raging recession. "They're creating an inventory that is absolutely unique," De Lay said, noting more than 40,000 people have expressed interest online. "My guess is they have a lot of cash buyers that really want this location. It's the best opportunity if you live in Salt Lake City."

Described as the portal between Temple Square and the City Creek commercial center, the 10-story Richards Court towers going up at 45 and 55 W. South Temple "define" urban living. Besides the floor-to-ceiling glass that ushers the temple spires or mountain peaks into living rooms, the units offer private balconies or "juliettes," along with a parklike terrace. All are equipped with bathroom marble, granite countertops, stainless-steel appliances, hardwood flooring, designer lighting and underground parking. Both towers will be ready by the first quarter of 2010.

"Inspiringly modern," the 20-story Regent at 35 E. 100 South touts views of the Wasatch and Oquirrh mountains and surrounding cityscape -- again through floor-to-ceiling glass. It, too, has top-shelf amenities. And the Web site boasts the Regent, available in 2011, "promises to be as attention-grabbing to look at as it is to live in."

So is the price. A two-bedroom unit with a den ranges from $931,000 to $1.7 million. The price drops roughly in half when you shave a bedroom.

Want a one bedroom with no den? Try $311,000 to $469,000 at the Regent and $480,000 to $629,000 at Richards Court.

Even so, four of the seven penthouses already are taken between the two projects. And 47 units, including the entire sixth floor in the west tower, are claimed in the two-through-nine levels between both Richards buildings.

In each case, the north-side suites with temple views were the first to be snatched.

Smatterings of units also have been reserved on the Regent's mid- and lower levels. But forget the 17th or 18th floors. They are sold out.

"We're encouraged by the interest we've seen so far," said City Creek spokesman Dale Bills, especially given the "unsettled market."

The LDS Church also plans a 30-story residential tower -- on the corner of South Temple and West Temple -- that will be marketed this summer. It is part of the church's overall $1.5 billion-plus rebuild of downtown's north end, expected to be complete in 2012.

In addition to the asking price for the condos, homeowner-association fees are pegged at $300 to $500 a month, according to information sent to potential buyers.

Still, in an informational e-mail, Bills focuses only on housing starting in the high $200,000s. So far, only 759-square-foot studios (for $297,000) fall into that category.

Yet even in the down economy, as residential-retail projects sputter and stall, interest in City Creek condos continues to spike, according to Bill Knowles, ombudsman to the Salt Lake Chamber's Downtown Rising effort. "I know a substantial number of them have been sold."

Kirkham notes the LDS Church's ties to Salt Lake City -- with its campus of sacred edifices and headquarter offices nearby -- allow it to market City Creek housing to people outside of Utah.

"They have a bigger pool of buyers than a normal project," he said. "I'm not that surprised. It's like a lifestyle.

"There are people who have worked their whole lives who will say, 'If we can sell our home and get one of these wonderful places downtown, let's do it.' "

Rick Howa, a downtown developer who has seen his Marmalade live-work vision west of the Capitol hijacked by the credit crunch, agrees. The location is gold, he says. And the high-end design -- both are energy-efficient "green" builds -- warrant a cost Howa calls far from unreasonable.

"By the time that thing's done, they'll be sold out," he said. "I'd bet on it."

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It's no different than any other high end high rise condo and other major metro area around the country. Those prices don't surprise me at all.
     
     
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One good thing about having more rich people downtown is that they are so entitled and demanding that maybe it will give SLC some additional clout when competing with the suburbs for big projects such as the theater.
     
     
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One good thing about having more rich people downtown is that they are so entitled and demanding that maybe it will give SLC some additional clout when competing with the suburbs for big projects such as the theater.
This is called a stereotype.
     
     
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Good point DMTower

Yes, it is a stereo type. But I think it will hold true in this case.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 6:56 PM
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While I see it as a partial stereo type, I also see it as a influx of potential $$$ donors for projects like the theater. After all it is going to take a sizable portion of donations to get that project built and operating, so if we need to stereotype these rich people into feeling entitled to amenities such as a theater, I'm all for it.

It is individuals like those that are purchasing these units that keep Capital, Kingsbury, and Rose Wagner operating. I don't mean through patronage, but through their love of the arts and their willingness to donate (write off) some cash.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 7:37 PM
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After all, what's that old cliche, "money talks?"

I'll take a bit more density in the city, I suppose. Though I'm sure the (stereotype warning!) "kind" of people that would be moving in here might not share my values, i.e, more bars and hipper nightlife.
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That's my concern. The prices of these units are a bit higher than I expected, but aren't much of shock. Like future mayor says, they're comparable to anything you'd see in Chicago or Seattle or Denver. But the way the newspaper spins it, you'd think they're all being purchased as second homes for a thousand Mitt Romney's. No doubt a lot of these residents will fit that mold, and why wouldn't they? But I do hope for some diversity. It sure would be nice if some of these buyers were simply out of state people who are buying for no other reason than they like SLC and think it would be a good place to live and do business. Regardless of conference across the street.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 9:08 PM
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I interrupted it differently than they were all simply going to buy a second home. I don't think the newspaper spun it to lead us in that direction either.

"There are people who have worked their whole lives who will say, 'If we can sell our home and get one of these wonderful places downtown, let's do it."

That particular quote reads like a couple retiring or simply moving to enjoy the benefits of the city.

Property Reserve has stated in the past, that the are working towards selling these to owners who will occupy them rather than use them as a vacation/second home.
     
     
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I'm not shocked by the prices, I expected them to be high. Why wouldn't they be? So far, it looks like CC will be an ultra-high quality establishment. The views alone are worth the money, but everything about the designs, from the interior decor to the facade, is going to be top-notch. We don't have anything even remotely comparable in Salt Lake, but even in other cities, I think this development would put most new condo complexes to shame.

I'm sure there will be a lot of variety. For one, there's such a variety of condos, some are huge penthouses, others are tiny one-bedrooms. There'll certainly be different sized families. I don't think it will appeal to just rich or retired mormons either. After all, this is a green, urban development, the type that I would expect to appeal to a younger, more urban crowd. The fact that it's right next to temple square with such an agreeable decor would be essential to attract anyone else, anything less and I don't think it would appeal to the rich and retired Utah folks at all.
     
     
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Well, no Mormons are going to be able to afford the condos at those prices. This is because Mormons are Christian in the sense that they believe that Jesus is their Savior, and I'm pretty sure that in the Jesus story, Jesus said something about it being more difficult to fit a camel through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to get into heaven.
     
     
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Well if all the folks moving into the CCC are gonna be super rich, its just one more reason why I think the CCC should try and bring in stores where the super rich shop. It would help differentiate the CCC from the Gateway(we want both to be sucessfull right?), and would offer the only high end shopping experience you could find in Utah and surrounding states! If you could shop at Sacks Fifth Avenue or Bloomindales in SLC, my sister would crap her pants! Pluss you'd be drawing armies of like minded sisters from even Wyoming and Idaho. I know a lot of Salt Laker's who drive to Vegas for their high end shopping. I'd rather keep that cash here. High end shoppig fits in perfectly with the mantra of the CCC. When you can get Nordstroms at Fashion Place, whats the incentive to go downtown??
     
     
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I'm just waiting for an H&M to come here.


No, wait. On second thought, I like that some of my clothing is unique in these here parts.


But since we're getting a Target downtown, we won't need fancy clothiers.
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Your H&M attire is not unique. I also have H&M attire.
     
     
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Residents flee as apartment building shifts

"Residents of a Salt Lake apartment complex were forced to flee early Thursday morning when a corroded beam underneath the building caused the structure to shift. The Salt Lake City Fire Department was called to the Mountain Courtyard Suites at 350 South and 300 East just after 1 a.m. with reports of cracking walls..."
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