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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 5:28 PM
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Police station in trouble?
Published Thursday April 16th, 2009


Tax rate Deputy mayor, councillor would halt headquarters if project too costly for taxpayers
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SAINT JOHN - The new police station could be in trouble.

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City councillor Bill Farren and Deputy Mayor Stephen Chase said Wednesday they are willing to put the brakes on the $25-million project, should it become too costly for taxpayers.

"I have been a very strong proponent of this police facility going ahead," said Farren, who was vice-chairman of the city's board of police commissioners for several years.

"But if it's going to jeopardize the tax rate or services, then I have to do some due diligence for the people who elected me and take a second look at this."

Chase said he is waiting for reports on the costs the city would have to cover to build the police station, but he was equally concerned about the impact this and other capital projects may have on the tax rate.

"If it's going to have an extremely adverse consequence on the tax rate, I couldn't put that burden on the taxpayers," Chase said.

Should common council select one or more private firms to design, fund, build, operate and maintain the police station, the city would simply have to pay the equivalent of rental fees.

Still, Chase said he was concerned the fees may swallow up city funds that could be spent on covering other costs of running the city, without an adverse hike in the tax rate.

With a more traditional funding model, where private industry would design and build the police station, the city would have to shoulder the costs and that may be too much to swallow, Chase said.

"Whether it's a lease payment or debt payment, the costs will crowd out our tax rate and we might not be able to cover other things," he said.

"I've moved along with the various steps we have taken to get to this point because it could be a project that is really workable and in the end will be good for the city. But I am holding my decision until I see the final financial impact on the city."

The city has recently made significant strides to build a police station and parking garage next to a new justice building in the city centre.

Earlier this week, council gave early approval to bylaw amendments that would close portions of three streets to make way for the police station and public green space.

The city has held several public consultations, drafted many designs and hired a private consulting firm to identify companies that would cover project costs, while building and maintaining the police station.

The city is expected to issue a call for proposals this summer to find the best company.

When the bids come in, council will make its final decision.

Given all the momentum, Councillor Donnie Snook said he believes there is little doubt the project will move ahead. Still, he's willing to debate the amount of money the city should invest.

"I can't imagine that it wouldn't go ahead in some form," Snook said. "We need to find a way to make it happen and we need to be working hard and taking a look at it, and do our best to find a way to move things forward in the most cost-effective way."

Farren is scheduled to present a motion to council next week that calls for a report from city staff that would lay out the capital projects on the books or planned for the city, and the associated costs.

Should the report indicate the tax rate would have to balloon to support the capital projects, Farren said, council must re-evaluate its priorities to identify the projects it can afford.

The councillor said the police station could be on the chopping block, along with the parking garage and recreational park upgrades, among others.

"If the finance commissioner comes back and says, 'We're going to have to raise taxes or we're not going to be able to provide some critical services,' then council has to sit down and look at our priorities again."
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2009, 6:56 PM
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Geez, what's with you guys and your phallic symbols????
Bigger is better.
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To be honest I want another ~20 storey building in Peel Plaza just so that Brunswick Square looks less phallic.
Sorry for the side-track of this thread, but I think Chicago takes the cake for their proposed phallus of a building (the Chicago Spire).

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A 35 story tower would certainly help. But I think you guys will have to concede that when it comes to — the sky, Moncton's got ya beat

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A 35 story tower would certainly help. But I think you guys will have to concede that when it comes to — the sky, Moncton's got ya beat
Actually, the Aliant Tower is the equivalent of about 35 storeys tall.
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Actually, the Aliant Tower is the equivalent of about 35 storeys tall.
I used to live in the shadow of that tower. I could always find my way home.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2009, 12:21 PM
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For everyone on the forum's interest, this site is great for viewing census data spatially or via enriched graphs and charts:

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Thanks for this Kwajo. This site looks very interesting.
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The work on Princess Street to bury wires is well underway. There is now a concept drawing posted on the corner of Charlotte and Princess.
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I wonder what is going to happen to the lighthouse that currently rests on the market square roof.
I think it's staying, since that area isn't part of the development. The St. Patrick St side doesn't quite meet the sidewalk from my understanding. I heard somewhere that the hardman Group wants to renovate that lighthouse.
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Interesting to see the cities involved for auditions for this.
Only Five. And Saint John is one of them. Very cool.

The wait is over: it’s time to get up and dance Canada!

The SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE CANADA Season 2 cross-country audition tour begins April 4 in Vancouver. The five-city tour also makes stops in Edmonton, AB (April 7) and Saint John, NB (April 21) for the first time, as well as Toronto, ON (May 18) and Montréal, QC (May 26).

Only those who break it down for the judges will have a chance to make the list, and become Canada’s next Favourite Dancer, taking home the $100,000 prize.

The SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE CANADA Season 2 cross-country auditions are open to all Canadians who, as of April 1, 2009, are of the age of majority in the province/territory in which they reside, and are no older than 30 years of age. Registration begins at 8 a.m. in each city. For up-to-date information, visit the series’ official website, dance.ctv.ca.

Auditions will be held at the locations and on the dates listed below (subject to change):

Vancouver, BC - Saturday, April 4
Centre for Performing Arts
777 Homer Street

Edmonton, AB - Tuesday, April 7
Winspear Centre
4 Sir Winston Churchill Square
Corner of 99th Street & 102nd Avenue

Saint John, NB - Tuesday, April 21
Imperial Theatre
24 King Square South


Toronto, ON - Monday, May 18
Metro Toronto Convention Centre
John Bassett Theatre
255 Front St. W., Toronto

Montréal, QC - Tuesday, May 26
Théâtre St-Denis,
1594 St-Denis Street
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2009, 10:27 AM
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^ Geez, I'd better go get my leg warmers out of cold storage!
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Looks like they lined up a couple more tenants for the plaza on the golden mile. http://www.plaza.ca/portfolio/New_Brunsw...evard%20Plaza%20portfolio%20Mar%2009.pdf
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Looks like they lined up a couple more tenants for the plaza on the golden mile. http://www.plaza.ca/portfolio/New_Brunsw...evard%20Plaza%20portfolio%20Mar%2009.pdf
if bulk barn and dollarama are both going in the plaza, does that mean they are vacating lancaster mall? that is a lot of renovation money to go into a mall that is about to lost a quarter of their tenants.
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i wouldn't be surprised if future development #2 turns out to be a chain restaurant like Kelsey's or something.
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if bulk barn and dollarama are both going in the plaza, does that mean they are vacating lancaster mall? that is a lot of renovation money to go into a mall that is about to lost a quarter of their tenants.
Well Ardene and Urban Planet are there now. Fairweather and Internation clothiers are opening there this year. Im sure they know what they are doing....
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Well Ardene and Urban Planet are there now. Fairweather and Internation clothiers are opening there this year. Im sure they know what they are doing....
That's a little disappointing. I wish we could get new stores instead of duplicates of stores that already exist 10 minutes away. I guess the positive side of it is the creation of some employment. I just would prefer more variety.
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That's a little disappointing. I wish we could get new stores instead of duplicates of stores that already exist 10 minutes away. I guess the positive side of it is the creation of some employment. I just would prefer more variety.
that just encourages non-travel within the city. the people in the west stay in the west and the people in the east stay in the east. there is no commerce throughout the city, only in respective areas.
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The work on Princess Street to bury wires is well underway. There is now a concept drawing posted on the corner of Charlotte and Princess.
There is a saying at the bottom of the sign. I cant remember it exactly but it is something like Invest in today, Invest in the future... The Livable City. What kind of cheese is that?
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There is a saying at the bottom of the sign. I cant remember it exactly but it is something like Invest in today, Invest in the future... The Livable City. What kind of cheese is that?
Investing today - For Tomorrow. The Livable City.

I like it.
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