Atlanta Beltline

[popewiz]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

i hope the NIMBY brigade in the NE area doesn't force a bunch on midrise junk along that side of Piedmont Park.

one thing that struck me about the Duany presentation was the part about the skyscrapers making Central Park what it is. basically, there's nothing compelling about a park without density surrounding it.

What's wrong with midrise? I think the city has done a great job with the step down from Peachtree to Piedmont. It allows a large number of residences to have a view of the park, and it makes the view from the park that much better.

[ATLaffinity]

Originally Posted by popewiz

What's wrong with midrise? I think the city has done a great job with the step down from Peachtree to Piedmont. It allows a large number of residences to have a view of the park, and it makes the view from the park that much better.

there needs to be density along monroe, particularly with the park expansion. the more people that can walk to it, the better.

the last thing we need is townhouses with parking for 2 cars along the beltline section there. and i can almost guarantee that's what you'll see, million dollar townhouses for the few.

[popewiz]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

there needs to be density along monroe, particularly with the park expansion. the more people that can walk to it, the better.

the last thing we need is townhouses with parking for 2 cars along the beltline section there. and i can almost guarantee that's what you'll see, million dollar townhouses for the few.

Ok, I agree with you, but townhouses are most certainly not midrise. I would be all for midrise (4-10 story buildings) around the park, and if the density can support it, taller building as you move away from the park.

[jurban8]

I think it's going to be very difficult to get mid-rises built on Monroe considering how much that neighborhood opposes those kinds of plans

[L.ARCH]

Word on the street is the surrounding neighborhood actually approved redevelopment plans of Ansley Mall that included some taller buildings in the 10-15 story range... Not going to happen for a while, but its a step in the right direction.

[joecool]

Originally Posted by jurban8

I think it's going to be very difficult to get mid-rises built on Monroe considering how much that neighborhood opposes those kinds of plans

Well then these people need to move..... j/k. I wish that area would have more high rise type buildings. I mean this is a city so we need more of an urban type city so people will start walking.

[joecool]

Originally Posted by L.ARCH

Word on the street is the surrounding neighborhood actually approved redevelopment plans of Ansley Mall that included some taller buildings in the 10-15 story range... Not going to happen for a while, but its a step in the right direction.

GOD I hope so...

[jurban8]

Originally Posted by joecool

Well then these people need to move..... j/k. I wish that area would have more high rise type buildings. I mean this is a city so we need more of an urban type city so people will start walking.

Atlanta definitely needs to densify, but it's striking how hard that's going to be in some areas, even Midtown. Atlanta's historic shady neighborhoods of single family homes are beautiful and much loved, but the density has to be upped and an actual street grid imposed for a truly urban environment. These neighborhoods, the city's greatest visual asset, restrict the ability to create a coherent and continous system of urban blocks. Take Midtown for instance: the street grid is blocked by the Park and the historic neighborhoods next to it. And on the other side you have the Connector. So I think ultimately the area is going to continue to see pockets of urbanity instead of one big walkable area. Atlanta's "urban" areas will always lean more suburban.

[Rail Claimore]

If my wish were to see large contiguous urbanity develop in Atlanta over the next 20 years, I'd look west or south.

[WestsideATL]

Originally Posted by Rail Claimore

If my wish were to see large contiguous urbanity develop in Atlanta over the next 20 years, I'd look west or south.

Agreed, if what's happening over on Huff is any indication of what the Westside could look like - Marietta St/Marietta Blvd and DL Hollowell (near Northside) are destined for great things. On the southeast side, Memorial Drive is just getting started and Capitol/Pryor has a lot of potential.

[Chris Creech]

Originally Posted by jurban8

I think it's going to be very difficult to get mid-rises built on Monroe considering how much that neighborhood opposes those kinds of plans

I think the big problem on that east side of the is just the lack of street grid. 10th St. street terminates there, so does 8th and a lot of the other midtown cross streets. There's no cross park routes (like they're never going to take 14th street through the park. So Monroe is basically the one through street on that side of the park with very few connecting options.

[jew4life4948]

Originally Posted by Chris Creech

I think the big problem on that east side of the is just the lack of street grid. 10th St. street terminates there, so does 8th and a lot of the other midtown cross streets. There's no cross park routes (like they're never going to take 14th street through the park. So Monroe is basically the one through street on that side of the park with very few connecting options.

My main thought is that the Peachtree Boulevard Project shows how to increase efficiency with the limited amount of space you have.

[cybele]

Does anyone happen to have a detailed map of how the Beltline is supposed to interface with Piedmont Park? I'm pretty sure I know but I'd like to see it again, especially if the plan has been updated.

[smArTaLlone]

Goals of the Study

• Develop transit and trail alignment and connections
• Identify and preserve station location areas
• Document environmental impacts
• Refine capital and operating costs
• Determine transit service features

Workshops
April 13th Southeast
April 16th Northeast
April 23rd Southwest
April 27th Westside
May 4th Northside

They have several youtube videos of the transit and trail options under consideration.


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[electricron]

Why look at in street options, isn't the Beltway using abandoned railroad ROW exclusively? Light Rail vehicles should be built on the Beltway, imho. Streetcars should be limited to in street operations, which can be used to feed the Beltway light rail loop.

[alleystreetindustry]

Originally Posted by jurban8

Atlanta definitely needs to densify, but it's striking how hard that's going to be in some areas, even Midtown. Atlanta's historic shady neighborhoods of single family homes are beautiful and much loved, but the density has to be upped and an actual street grid imposed for a truly urban environment. These neighborhoods, the city's greatest visual asset, restrict the ability to create a coherent and continous system of urban blocks. Take Midtown for instance: the street grid is blocked by the Park and the historic neighborhoods next to it. And on the other side you have the Connector. So I think ultimately the area is going to continue to see pockets of urbanity instead of one big walkable area. Atlanta's "urban" areas will always lean more suburban.

my man rail is correct. the only step atlanta can take is from northern midtown, south, with a majority of the new development along peachtree and on the western edge. there is plenty of space to develop, its just that there is no demand around the areas that are the most open. look at western/southwestern atlanta. PERFECT for new highrise development. but where are the parks? bars? clubs? stores?

build something that will attract the people, and watch the area become just as desirable as midtown.

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by electricron

Why look at in street options, isn't the Beltway using abandoned railroad ROW exclusively? Light Rail vehicles should be built on the Beltway, imho. Streetcars should be limited to in street operations, which can be used to feed the Beltway light rail loop.

In-street alignment may be necessary, in order to connect to the Marta stations.

[electricron]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

In-street alignment may be necessary, in order to connect to the Marta stations.

Thanks for the answer, but I would like to point out the larger Light Rail vehicles can also run in streets.

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by electricron

Thanks for the answer, but I would like to point out the larger Light Rail vehicles can also run in streets.

That was intended to answer the question "Why look at in street options?"

[smArTaLlone]

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