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Old Posted Apr 11, 2009, 4:22 AM
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Sadly, this is probably my last time to post a pic from my view since I'm moving back to Little Rock, AR next week. But at least it was a nice day to grab a shot of the clear skyline. I'll miss my concrete jungle of downtown LA
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2009, 2:55 PM
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GymRat, thanks for the pics and best of luck in AR.

In reference to the Libeskind proposal, reading the ladowntownnews article (http://ladowntownnews.com/articles/2009/04/10/news/doc49dfc72918234019623867.txt) it indicates the building is scheduled to break ground in 2010. Though I find that hard to believe, it might be something that interests some of you.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2009, 5:53 PM
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High-rises dwarf options for downtown L.A.

This article pretty much sums up the way I feel with regard to most all the new development that has gone up, is going up, or is in the planning stages of going up in Downtown these last 10 years. Fortunately we still have a lot of the historic core to continue redeveloping.

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High-rises dwarf options for downtown L.A.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-notebook11-2009apr11,0,7766716.story

Mega-projects have their place, but two new Figueroa Corridor proposals spotlight the city's all-or-nothing planning mind-set.

By CHRISTOPHER HAWTHORNE, Architecture Critic
April 11, 2009
A pair of high-rise projects planned for the Figueroa Corridor downtown jumped into the headlines this week, as if out of nowhere. The first, set to replace the Wilshire Grand hotel and office complex at Figueroa Street and Wilshire Boulevard, will be designed by AC Martin Partners, the big local firm. It has an estimated budget of more than $1 billion. The other, proposed for a site near the southern edge of South Park, across from the Los Angeles Convention Center, is by Daniel Libeskind, best known for his Jewish Museum in Berlin and his much-altered master plan for the World Trade Center site in Lower Manhattan.


Both projects are backed by Korean groups. Korean Air, and the larger Hanjin Group of which it is a part, owns the Wilshire Grand property, where it wants to build a mixed-use complex crowned by two towers, the taller one 60 stories high. CA Human Technologies, a joint venture of two Korean firms, is behind the 43-story Libeskind tower, which would include 273 residential units stacked atop an eight-level podium containing parking, restaurants and a spa. If completed, it would be Libeskind's first Los Angeles building.

The sudden appearance of these designs, even in provisional form, in the middle of a deep recession prompts a couple of questions. Why now? And why -- when the last thing downtown needs, from an urban-planning point of view, is another stand-alone super-block high-rise, standing aloof from the street and its neighbors -- might we be getting two more?

The first question is relatively easy to answer. The entitlement process in Los Angeles is lengthy, bordering on Byzantine. Developers who want to be first out of the gate when the economy improves would be wise to begin that process now, particularly if it gives them the chance to take advantage of low construction and materials costs that will likely prevail for another couple of years.

A more cynical version of the same answer might go this way: Developers who feel prepared to move forward on the approval front, even if their financing remains iffy, can take advantage of a climate in which the city is desperate to support any signs of new real-estate activity downtown.

The second question is trickier. But it is also crucial, since it goes to the heart of how planning happens in downtown Los Angeles -- and why, despite so much new energy and investment in recent years, the area retains at ground level an extreme split personality, with massive towers mixed in with huge, empty parcels.

The Figueroa Corridor, which city planners have long envisioned as a key connector downtown -- linking the USC campus, on its southern end, with Dodger Stadium to the north -- is a key case study in how that split personality is developed and exacerbated. It is a natural place for high-rise development, given its existing skyscrapers and links to mass transit. It will soon be getting at least two new residential towers: the first phase of the Concerto, a 30-story high-rise designed by DeStefano + Partners, and a 54-story hotel and condo building at L.A. Live, by Gensler.

But certain pockets of it remain filled by the same surface parking lots that dot much of downtown. Particularly south of L.A. Live, the area suffers from an extreme version of the all-or-nothing development approach that city leaders and most developers have long favored. There is almost no middle ground to be found between high-rise towers that take up full blocks at street level and empty swaths of land reserved for cars.

This approach prevents the emergence of the smaller-scale projects that can bring fresh vitality to a block -- and that may move forward even in a downturn, since they require drastically less financing. Such modest projects are also more likely to go to younger and more innovative architects.

The Libeskind tower is the latest example of how downtown moves from one extreme to another. In land-use terms, it is a process that takes us immediately from zero to 60, from emptiness to high-rise density. The site where the tower is set to rise, covering 57,000 square feet, is actually two separate pieces of land that are, in turn, made up of a total of seven parcels. Most of downtown, of course, was originally sliced up the same way, which is why its older sections retain a vital diversity of building forms, architectural styles and uses.

But the presence of a surface parking lot changes that dynamic -- not only for the obvious reason that it trades vitality for emptiness. A parking lot also smooths the way for high-rise developments like the Libeskind tower. It tends to pave over the visual -- and sometimes the legal -- divisions between one small parcel and the next, making it almost a foregone conclusion that the property will remain empty until a mega-project comes along to fill it on a massive scale.

Indeed, the city's planning department has rubber-stamped CA Human Technologies' effort to consolidate the various properties into a single massive development, even though that effort flies in the face of recommendations in new guidelines developed by the same department's Urban Design Studio. Following the department's recommendation, the Planning Commission voted 6-0 Thursday to approve zoning and other variances for the property.

Architecturally, of course, there are lots of ways to make mega-projects successful along the street, including opening them up fully to the sidewalk and designing them to contain a diversity of retail outlets at ground level. Libeskind's scheme, which is not among his finest, tries hard to do this, although the effort is undermined by the slashing forms that cross its podium section. These gashes are his formal trademark, but in this case they bring the massive scale of the tower down to the sidewalk level instead of helping to break it up.

The AC Martin design for Korean Air is even less developed architecturally. It is a sleek marker for a development whose viability is far from certain.

The enemy in this is certainly not the high-rise form itself, which can add immeasurably to the vitality of any city and has long been a vehicle for architectural innovation. It is a process that all but rules out other kinds of development in certain pockets of downtown.

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Old Posted Apr 11, 2009, 6:37 PM
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2009, 8:05 PM
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I updated the first page of this thread, adding the Wilshire Grand Redevelopment project, moving 1340 Figueroa to "Approved", and moving LA Live and LA High School #9 to "Completed". If anyone has good shots of either of those completed projects, post a photo, credit the photog and I'll add them to the front page.
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Here's a shot that is pretty recent

April 2009



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=436612&page=118
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DowntownGymRat, that's a nice memory to leave with. Good luck in Little Rock!
     
     
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From earlier this morning.







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Old Posted Apr 12, 2009, 12:27 AM
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The finishing touches are taking a while, but they're making a pretty big difference. There are a lot more pictures in the LAPD HQ Thread in the General Developments subforum.





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Old Posted Apr 12, 2009, 12:32 AM
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Thought I would post some different angles on this one. From 4th Street, looking west.



From the corner of 4th and Los Angeles. A little out of focus. That's what I get for trying to take pictures while crossing the street...



The parking garage from Los Angeles Street.

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Nice pics Colemonkee, I am definitely digging the Medallion right now and how well it ties the OBD to the LT.
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I'm gone for one weekend and Gymrat leaves!!! Were gonna miss your pics...but your gonna keep in touch...so no worries!
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I like this pic from Curbed. It's from the Hollywood Hills and shows how Koreatown and Downtown LA could really meld to create one very large central core.

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^too bad about them being separated by the 110. they are not contiguous enough, whether by commercial use, planning/transportation, or demographics to "meld" into a single core. k-town dies off abruptly one you get close to westlake, and westlake peters out into a commercial deadzone the closer it gets to the 110. and then there's the 110 itself. none of these "neighborhoods" melds into the next - that's how you can tell LA isn't a walkable city. very few pedestrians overall, but more importantly, very few pedestrians bridging one hood to its neighboring hood. little contiguity of urban fabric.

obsessing over optical illusions - taking shots at certain angles to give the impression of a large downtown core when in fact those k-town buildings pretty much line that stretch of wilshire exclusively, and are pretty far from the cbd, may be fun for pretend's sake. same goes for telephoto shots from the getty which suggest more contiguity between CC and Wilshire, and between CC/Wilshire and downtown LA, than actually exist. but it doesn't change the established realities.

downtown LA can look big or tiny depending on your angle because our skyline has really got no depth to it - it's almost like a single row of buildings along a north-south axis. i think it's funny when we try to pretend when we acknowledge flattering ones in exclusion. it's like little kids playing dress-up looking in the mirror - they only care about looking the part.

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Yeah that's the sucky part That stretch along Wilshire, basically west of the 110 all the way to Vermont, is extremely depressing. Even more so when you see a deteriorating public park with a man made lake that has incredible potential to be, well, "wonderful." Too bad the area is so poor that it is almost impossible for the area to become really used by the middle-class anytime in the near future.

In regards to the 110, if I had to choose, I would still rather cap the 101 north of DTLA because it would have a much more immediate impact connecting Chinatown/Union Station/El Pueblo with the Civic Center, than City West to the FiDi. But why should we have to choose if Downtown LA is actually important to "us?"
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^ i think it's funny when we try to pretend when we acknowledge flattering ones in exclusion. it's like little kids playing dress-up looking in the mirror - they only care about looking the part.
^^Man, so now we cant even enjoy an interesting view without it being picked apart. LOL.
Its like watching the Wizard of Oz during the part when it goes from black and white to color, then having some peon stop the movie, and explain how its "not true color" and going on and on about how fake it is and how it will never be a real movie. (sighs)
Im sure from some angles Ed must seem like an almost pleasant and down to earth person. (winks at ed)
I like the picture...regardless of what it implies. It must be a few months back as the Ritz is much further along than what is shown.
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Edluva is just extremely heartbroken about LA and now it's "payback" time. He has "learned as he went along in life" and "got smarter" and now he has a vendetta against LA. He used to call LA a "world-class city" and even defended LA like many other "disillusioned" here on this forum, like me. But this was on a different forum and a different time. He's much smarter now and knows the "truth" and I only hope he finds his way to another city that makes him feel like a fish introduced back into the water. However, some people prefer the life of salmon, always swimming upstream and going against the grain.
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It's interesting to ponder Downtown development these days. I mean, look at it from this perspective: Skid Row ain't ever going anywhere. That and the Garment District (by that I refer to the discount houses with roll-down security doors at night, as opposed to the Fashion District's mix of restaurants and retail) are always going to be right smack dab in the middle of Downtown, cutting off the residential west with the residential east, especially at night.

To the west, as edluva points out, the 110 Freeway is a serious blockage to connectivity. To the South, the 10 Freeway, plus the behemoth Convention Center cut off activity.

So really, the area we're working with is pretty small, including South Park (plus "East South Park" between Grand and Main), the Historic Core, the Financial District, Bunker Hill, Broadway, Little Tokyo and the Arts District.

Meanwhile, the Arts District is evolving on its own, pretty much cut off from the rest of Downtown by Skid Row and seafood distribution centers. True, it does connect with Little Tokyo, but the people living in the new buildings like Artisan and Mura aren't patronizing the businesses in Little Tokyo very much.

Bunker Hill is pretty much never going to become a residential neighborhood, no matter what the psychotic Related Co and County Board of Sups tries to push through (show me the money!). It may be too anti-pedestrian to ever recover. Sorry, "Grand Avenue Cultural Corridor"!

The Financial District will attract some more hotel and maybe a few more residential projects, but won't get to residential critical mass anytime soon for that 24/7 vibe.

Historic Core has potential, but it really backs up against the "Jewelry District" -- which is never going anywhere and is plagued with business that shut down at 5:00pm -- and Skid Row... thus limiting its "connective potential" with, say, South Park or the Arts District.

Little Tokyo is great, but then you've got the frakking Toy District in between it and the Historic Core - another example of the rolled-down security door set that will never change. Is the LAPD motor pool and half of Medallion (when it's completed) enough to stitch together these two neighborhoods? I'm doubtful.
Truly, the faceless cinder-block buildings of the Toy District should be razed and replaced with residential buildings if there's ever hope for connectivity between Little Tokyo and the Core. There are some historic structures worth saving, though.

Maybe I've just become a pessimist, but the "true downtown" that most people really want is much smaller than the area inside the freeway ring. It's so small, in fact, that I'm starting to have long-term doubts about how it will all come together.

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^...well...then lets just stop. Stop all of it. No more time or effort need be put into Downtown Los Angeles. Lets focus on making the Valley more suburban chique! Eh?
My, I would expect that statement from others (im looking at you ed, downtowner, and others) but im surprised it came from you RAlossi.
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