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Old Posted Apr 7, 2009, 5:06 PM
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Which is the building u/c in the background of the last pic? I know, I'm out of touch...
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2009, 5:29 PM
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Signal Trouble at Freedom Tower

By Eliot Brown
April 7, 2009 | 12:00 p.m

A deal to broadcast 11 stations from atop the planned Freedom Tower has fallen apart, seemingly bringing to a close years of negotiations. According to multiple people familiar with discussions, the Metropolitan Television Alliance, a consortium of local television stations, last month informed the Port Authority that it would not be proceeding with a deal for its members to broadcast from an antenna atop the 102-story tower at the World Trade Center site.

The collapse of the deal further strains the finances of the Port Authority at the Lower Manhattan site, as a basic agreement struck with the MTVA in 2003 called for an annual rent of about $10 million, on top of a $20 million payment to build the antenna. The Port Authority owns the site and is building the Skidmore Owings & Merrill-designed Freedom Tower, known officially as 1 World Trade Center.

The agency is now considering whether to build a less costly antenna—the price was north of $20 million—with the hopes of striking a new deal later on, or to build a spire that has an aesthetic function alone. Antenna deal or not, the agency still plans for a spire atop the $3.1 billion tower to bring the building to its symbolic height of 1,776 feet.

“This continues to be part of the design,” Stephen Sigmund, a Port Authority spokesman, said of the 408-foot spire.


The formation of the MTVA, along with the plan to put an antenna atop the skyscraper, came after numerous stations went black following the attacks of September 11, 2001, when the city’s main television broadcast antenna went down with World Trade Center Tower 1.

Since, technological changes in the industry—including a switch from analog to digital broadcasting—have lessened the need for a new major antenna in Lower Manhattan. Already, there are two buildings where owners say they can accommodate all the television broadcasters in the city on their antennas: Wien & Malkin’s Empire State Building and the Durst Organization’s 4 Times Square.

“We’ve got a tremendously robust system,” said Tony Malkin, president of Wien & Malkin. “Every single broadcaster will be supported.”

“We are open and ready for business—plug and play,” said Jordan Barowitz, a Durst spokesman.

Still, the MTVA’s president, Saul Shapiro, said that there are technical benefits of having an antenna at the World Trade Center, and the group is still in talks with the Port Authority for a deal of some sort. “We have not ruled out going to the Freedom Tower,” he said, declining to comment on specifics about the discussions.

However he did acknowledge that some MTVA member stations have pushed back against a new downtown antenna, in part due to the large investment needed.

“Some of the members have different finances, and are looking at broadcast in a different way going forward,” he said. “Locating at 1 World Trade was not the ideal solution for all the members.”

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Which is the building u/c in the background of the last pic? I know, I'm out of touch...
That would be Beekman Place, designed by Frank Gehry, it has its own thread here:http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=53610
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2009, 11:30 PM
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Here's the link for that last article:
http://www.observer.com/2009/real-estate/signal-trouble-freedom-tower

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According to multiple people familiar with discussions, the Metropolitan Television Alliance, a consortium of local television stations, last month informed the Port Authority that it would not be proceeding with a deal for its members to broadcast from an antenna atop the 102-story tower at the World Trade Center site.

The agency is now considering whether to build a less costly antenna—the price was north of $20 million—with the hopes of striking a new deal later on, or to build a spire that has an aesthetic function alone. Antenna deal or not, the agency still plans for a spire atop the $3.1 billion tower to bring the building to its symbolic height of 1,776 feet.

“This continues to be part of the design,” Stephen Sigmund, a Port Authority spokesman, said of the 408-foot spire.
Could be good news, particularly with the lost plan to put an outdoor deck at the top. It could be like the Empire State.
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I hope they place an outdoor Observation Deck on top because 1,265 feet isn't high enough and we need to be at the "Top Of The World" again.
     
     
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I doubt an outdoor observation deck would be on 1 WTC, to much 'roof stuff' probbly on top for people to walk around especially the Atenna ( probbly would get in the way ). But who knows..
     
     
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i was near there the other day.. and you know those "guides" that are hired by oblivious tourists? i overheard the guide telling the group that the "Freedom Tower will have a music space on the 84th floor and everything above that is empty space to the top. There may or not be and observation deck."

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^GAAAHH! Misinformation SUCKS.
     
     
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We need to hurry and keep up with the russians ( chinese), they're way ahead of us.
     
     
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^ I don't think that should be our motive.
     
     
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Still the worst spire I have ever seen and that ridiculous doughnut looks slapped on. They're capping a pretty classy tower with some pretty unclassy mickey mouse bullshit.
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I doubt an outdoor observation deck would be on 1 WTC, to much 'roof stuff' probbly on top for people to walk around especially the Atenna ( probbly would get in the way ). But who knows..
This version of the tower was originally envisioned as having an outdoor deck at 1,362 ft, with the parapet reaching 1,368 ft. Without the need for broadcasting equipment, that plan should be thrown back into place. Earlier plans also called for a 2-level restaurant and 1 level indoor deck. Those plans were reversed (the restaurant will now have 1 level) to accomodate the expected tourists to the top of the tower. All the more reason to add more space outdoors. The outdoor deck at the old WTC, and even the Empire State is around the perimeter of the roof, the spire shouldn't be a problem.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/04082009/news/regionalnews/a_tower_out_age_163415.htm

A TOWER OUT-AGE

April 8, 2009

The Freedom Tower may become a beacon of liberty, but it won't be beaming TV signals to homes around the region now that an alliance of broadcasters has pulled out of a proposal to put an antenna on top of the skyscraper.

The antenna to serve 11 TV stations was slated to be housed inside a 408-foot spire at the top of the tower, bringing the overall height to 1,776 feet.

But the Port Authority and the Metropolitan Television Alliance have failed to seal a deal that would have paid the agency $10 million in annual rent and $20 million for construction.

Even without the TV antenna, officials at the bistate agency said they are committed to building the spire.

"A structure on top remains a part of the design," said PA spokesman Stephen Sigmund.

Television signals are now being beamed from the Empire State Building.

"People get a great signal with what we have now," said Saul Shapiro, president of the Metropolitan Television Alliance. "Broadcasters are worried about the economy right now."
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Iv noticed on webcam there used to be 6 or so white containers sitting outside 7wtc they have now been moved UNDER one of the floors of the tower any reason why Nyguy if u go back in time on earthcam you see what im talking about.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2009, 10:34 PM
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Iv noticed on webcam there used to be 6 or so white containers sitting outside 7wtc they have now been moved UNDER one of the floors of the tower any reason why Nyguy if u go back in time on earthcam you see what im talking about.
I don't know. Haven't been down there in a couple of weeks.
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This version of the tower was originally envisioned as having an outdoor deck at 1,362 ft, with the parapet reaching 1,368 ft. Without the need for broadcasting equipment, that plan should be thrown back into place. Earlier plans also called for a 2-level restaurant and 1 level indoor deck. Those plans were reversed (the restaurant will now have 1 level) to accomodate the expected tourists to the top of the tower. All the more reason to add more space outdoors. The outdoor deck at the old WTC, and even the Empire State is around the perimeter of the roof, the spire shouldn't be a problem.
Are there any RF field exposure issues in doing an outdoor deck that close to a giant broadcast antenna?

I once found an online study of the rooftop of 1 WTC where they were measuring field strengths for all the communication antennas up there as part of some work safey program.
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Are there any RF field exposure issues in doing an outdoor deck that close to a giant broadcast antenna?
There was a study done in the planning process for this tower.
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Nyguy do you think they will make a program about the building of 1WTC they done a program about the construction of the shanghai wfc . and not forgettin other buildings including the old film of the original wtc being built
     
     
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