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Old Posted Apr 4, 2009, 7:09 AM
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whos the illustrator for us in the diagram section of SSP?
i know its a rush but when can we see a render in the diagram section of Los Angeles? this will be at least 700ft tall with the 60 story building maybe even a little over 800ft. bring this in the top five of downtowns tallest buildings.
     
     
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Plans for the project, announced Thursday, call for replacing the 1950s-era Wilshire Grand -- located at Figueroa Street and Wilshire Boulevard -- with a luxurious 40-story hotel with as many as 700 rooms and topped by several floors of condominiums.

Next door would be an even taller building, a sleek 60-story tower with 1.1 million square feet of rentable office space. At ground level would be shops, a landscaped park and a public plaza.

Before work can begin on Wilshire Grand, the project must win approval from the city of Los Angeles, a lengthy process. But Thomas said in an interview that if all went according to plan, construction could begin by 2011 and be complete by 2014.
The article failed to mention the biggest point of all: whether the devlpr has gotten funding for the proj yet. I've heard that they still haven't.

And it's been 18 yrs since the last office highrise was built in the hood?!

Way too long of a drought. So this proposed proj really will turn out to be a big april fool's joke if it never sees the light of day.

But the proj at least is creating a stir during the current lull. I still would have rather heard news right around now about the parkfifth tower or the grand ave proj finally going forward. Those projs are more critical to the hood cuz they involve sites that are in bigger need of fixing up.

The same would've been true of this proj too if it wasn't replacing an existing bldg but a gap or deadzone, like the one across the street from the hotel.



     
     
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2009, 10:31 PM
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no, not at a 90 percent rate they don't. remember, this is the city where noone can be trusted to back up their words. all talk. don't you agree?
Well now, I think a few people can be trusted in LA...I know we arent the bastian of trustworthiness and resolve that Chicago (ahem) might be, but between the Disney Concert, LA Live, and many of the adaptive reuses, a number of things have been done.
Lets see what happens...we arent going to know anything for sure until at least late 2010. By that time, Fig Central, Park Fifth, and The Grand may all be either dead, or under construction.
As far as financing, a news report last night on channel 9 said that Korean Air may be footing a large part of the bill for this, since they already own the property outright. They also indicated that this structure might come close to rivaling the US Bank in height when including the spire and parapet, and its the first structure to take advantage of the repeal of the "helipad clause" that has given LA a flat topped skyline, though it appears to still have a helipad jutting out from the lower roofline.
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Hey, here is a news clip from Channel 2 that talks about it...gives more perspective on the structure.
Enjoy! It says it will be shorter than the US Bank and Aon, but it looks like thats only from a floor number measure.
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http://www.truveo.com/Developer-Has-Plans-For-New-Downtown-Skyscraper/id/594495794
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^Thanks for the link! Interestingly, like Grand Avenue, they've given no specific height.
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this would be so great for our city, i really thinks this will be built. we are due for something like this.
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^Thanks for the link! Interestingly, like Grand Avenue, they've given no specific height.
In many other places there are NIMBY's that latch onto height... using it as a rallying cry to fight a project. I am not saying that is the case here in downtown Los Angeles; however, the developer/architecture team may have seen it elsewhere and chosen to leave that snippet out... assuming the height has been determined.
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^ Even if they gave the height, the common Homeowner Assoc.'s weak complaints about views and traffic don't apply in Downtown anyway.
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this would be so great for our city, i really thinks this will be built. we are due for something like this.
No kidding. 18 years since the last office building was built.
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With that spire it looks to top AON. But in this market???? I can certainly see the hotel going ahead, that is a great location and badly needs a complete redo and now LA Live is up and running, I don't see a problem on the hotel portion.
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Off topic city vs. city comments

Guys, I deleted a bunch of comments regarding comparisons to Chicago. Please keep the comments on topic, regarding downtown Los Angeles projects. Warnings have been sent where appropriate.
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On another, more positive note, this story should make citywatch's day, should it come to fruition. If anyone has been to the Hayward Hotel recently, with the new Crack Gallery and Sixth Street Market, that is a great corner, rivaling 4th and Main for it's storefronts. If you haven't, it's worth checking out. Now the same developer has plans for the Bristol Hotel. From the Downtown News.


Battling the Bristol’s Blight
Developer’s Plan for Vacant Hotel includes 103 Efficiency Units and Two Ground-Floor Eateries
by Anna Scott
Published: Friday, April 3, 2009 3:20 PM PDT

DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES - For the last six years, the Bristol Hotel has been a dilapidated eyesore. If new owner Izek Shomof has his way, it will soon be a bustling structure that adds to the vitality of the neighborhood.

“It’s a beautiful, historic building located in a very good area and it’s just sitting there,” said Shomof, who with his business partner and son Eric Shomof paid $2.5 million for the property at 423 W. Eighth St. “Our major goal is to beautify the area, make it more pleasant. It was the same with the Hayward.”

Shomof, who owns a string of market-rate apartment complexes in Downtown, is referring to the Hayward Hotel, a formerly rundown crime-magnet at Sixth and Spring streets that he acquired in 2001. Shomof has since made cosmetic upgrades to the building’s interior and façade, and has brought businesses to its ground floor including a food market, a clothing store and the recently opened D-Town Burger Bar.

Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council President Russell Brown said the building has improved significantly.

“It has changed immensely,” he said. “They had all kinds of drug dealing and crime and it was pretty bad, and they’ve done a really great job of fixing it up and still keeping it with affordable units in it. I know they’ll do a really good job with the Bristol.”

Revitalizing the 1906 Bristol could also provide a long-awaited complement to surrounding businesses, including the Golden Gopher bar and the Italian eatery Colori Kitchen. Shomof hopes the property, which will continue to serve low-income residents, will open by the end of the year. Shomof would not disclose how much he plans to spend on renovations, but said the project will be funded privately.

“This will be a positive catalyst for the area,” said Golden Gopher owner Cedd Moses. “For too long, the Golden Gopher and Colori Kitchen have been the only businesses willing to take a chance on this stretch of Eighth Street.”

Changing Hands

Shomof bought the Bristol from Adolfo Suaya, who acquired the property in 2003.

Suaya, a high-profile restaurateur, originally planned to convert the building into a hotel with a nightclub and restaurant. The Bristol’s 103 rooms, mostly inhabited by low-income tenants, were vacated a few months after the sale. Suaya’s plans, however, were soon derailed by legal tangles.

About 20 former tenants filed a wrongful eviction lawsuit against Suaya in 2004, and Suaya ultimately paid about $226,000 in damages. The next year, the Community Redevelopment Agency filed a lawsuit against Suaya, alleging that redeveloping the hotel would violate an agreement the agency had with prior owner Chae Ro: The CRA had loaned Ro $1.5 million in exchange for keeping the property as low-income housing until July 2015.

Last year, Suaya settled with the CRA. According to the settlement terms, the Bristol would have to serve as affordable housing if it reopened before July 2015. However, Suaya was not required to reopen the building at all, raising concern that he might let it sit vacant for seven years.

Instead, Suaya put the property on the market, but the legal restrictions helped make the property a tough sell.

In September, National Housing Ventures, a small nonprofit with ties to the Amerland Group, was in escrow to purchase the property for $4.5 million, but the deal fell through because of financing difficulties.

Suaya said he is relieved that the building finally sold. “It was time to move on.” he said. “I’m glad I got it off my hands.”

Shomof said he finalized his purchase of the Bristol about three weeks ago. He plans to apply for the Section 8 federal rent subsidy program.

Section 8 buildings can be lucrative investments even for private developers. In September the Related Cos., the developer behind the $3 billion Grand Avenue project, purchased a Section 8 building at 740 S. Olive St. Related West Coast President Bill Witte said at the time that such properties “can provide decent cash flow if they are reasonably sized and there’s no market risk.”

If the Bristol does not qualify for Section 8, Shomof said, his long-term plans for the property could change.

“Section 8 or not, we have to continue it as low-income housing” until 2015, he said. What happens beyond that “is something that we have to look at at the time.”

For now at least, Shomof plans to renovate the Bristol’s 103 units as efficiency apartments.

Most of the units already have individual bathrooms, he said, but he will likely add kitchenettes. “We’re hoping by the end of this year that the building will be open,” said Shomof. “All we have to do is cosmetic.”

The new ground-floor businesses, he said, will include a second D-Town Burger outpost and a restaurant similar to L.A. Café, which is on the ground floor of his Spring Tower Lofts at 639 S. Spring St.

That is welcome news to local stakeholders who have considered the boarded-up Bristol a stumbling point for a key block.

“I’m very pleased that the hotel is being used,” said Mike Pfeiffer, executive director of the South Park Business and Community Benefit District, which operates just south of the Bristol. “It will be a key anchor in bringing back that block.”

Contact Anna Scott at [email protected].
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No kidding. 18 years since the last office building was built.
we are way past due because it seems like most of LAs towers over 600 ft were built within 4 or 5 years.
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^ We can't be "way overdue" until the market can truly support building new projects on that scale and they aren't being built.
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^Overdue or not, if they intend on building it, and have set a start date that is 2 years off, then it is still feasable, even if right now it wouldnt be. Many times in history, large buildings have been built even without the financial prosperity to support them.
Im not all ready to start booking my hotel room, but it is probably one of the most interesting ad ambitious proposals for the downtown area in the last 20 years, so in that way, we are overdue. So Im somewhat hopeful.
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Many times in history, large buildings have been built even without the financial prosperity to support them.
which means those buildings were not called for. they were not "due" and were probably financial losses. no developer builds skyscrapers with the purpose of improving a skyline. they do if for profit.

la is not a city which requires much class a office space in downtown. there's no market for it because we are blue collar. frankly speaking, la is not considered profitable for big buildings. whether or not it is "due" is entirely the point. i don't understand why you think that somehow waiting 20 years justifies building a skyscraper at a financial loss. what sort of logic is that?
     
     
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^ No developer in the US. Try China and UAE.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2009, 10:47 AM
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well, we are not state-planned. and i still doubt china or uae build skyscrapers based on something as juvenile as whether they are "due".
     
     
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what happened during the late 80s and early 90s that is not happening now?
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