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heh, I'm sure you read county, but I said country as a joke to the post above mine about a business relocating to Maine.


LOL oh ok. That would make sense.
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I miss Tangled!!!

We had some fundamental disagreements on some issues, but he gave a most intriguing perspective!

I hope you come back, buddy! Who's with me?

It's almost like those times in grade school when someone in the class was sick for a week. It's like a gaping void that you just can't get used to.
Yeah, I'm a little confused by that one. Frankly, I don't think it was Viperlord either. He's allot more apt to eliminate a particular post or posts, than just suspend someone without a forum warning. He also typically posts specific warnings on that specific thread first. There were posts infinitely more offensive to the general SLC forum from certain (regular offenders) forumers, than anything I can find written by TANGELD. IMO, it's time to lift that suspension. I mean seriously, C'MON, if TANGELD is suspended, then why not BLM. Hey, I have nothing against BLM, but he was just as, if not more out of line than anyone, and it's not as if he hasn't received a room full of warnings. Hopefully, it's okay to openly express an opinion on the matter.

IMO, it was also unnecessary to close down that entire thread. Sure, there were posts that I didn't agree with, and if there were some that were out of line, or blattantly against forum rules, then delete them!

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I'm fine with him taking a break, and I'm fine with the old "Completely Irrelevant" thread being deleted. If those discussions really are completely irrelevant to construction/skyscrapers/urban planning, why are the moderators allowing the discussion to be hosted here? After about the third page, that thread was nothing more than a breeding ground for contention that spread to the other Utah threads. There are plenty of places on the internet to bash/praise all kinds of things about Utah...take it up there. Just my opinion.

Colorado, Idaho, Arizona and our other neighbors don't feel the need to have their own Completely Irrelevant threads...what's so special about us?

That's rhetorical.
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9th and 9th neighbors fume over gas station

Mediation set » Smith's and SLC may finally settle decadelong fight.

By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune




Designed as a pedestrian haven, Salt Lake City's 9th and 9th district boasts boutiques, ethnic eateries, coffee shops, alternative cinema, charm, and now -- if Smith's gets its way -- a gas station.

On Monday, after a decadelong debate, the quarrel between the city and Smith's moves to a court-ordered mediation conference. It marks a last stab at compromise before appellate judges intervene.

Neighbors, who have battled the grocer and city bureaucrats over the plan since 2001, are fuming. They argue pumps in Smith's parking lot along 800 South would breed more cars, crime, noise and air pollution. A gas station wouldn't jell with a prospective streetcar line. And who knows what it would do to the natural water source below that feeds a nearby artesian well.

"This is the most-walkable neighborhood in the city," said 800 East resident Tim Shultz, who may move if the fuel station gets a green light. "It's going to be a gigantic eyesore."

But Deputy City Attorney Lynn Pace cautions the capital has not lost yet in its fight keep out the pumps. He says mediation with Smith's representatives is a "no-risk" step before potential oral arguments at the Utah Court of Appeals.

"If they don't present something that is attractive to us, we say no."

Because there already are six gas stations within five blocks of the store, neighbors suggest the grocer instead add pumps at its larger outlet near 500 South and 500 East.

Smith's says its desire for a gas station near 9th and 9th is driven by repeated customer requests. "During these difficult economic times, the fuel discounts we offer shoppers have been well received at every fuel center we operate," the store said in a statement. "We believe our customers at this store are entitled to and deserve the same fuel services we offer elsewhere."

But Marian Florence, whose backyard abuts the five proposed gas pumps, labels the plan a nuisance -- and a broken promise. She argues a 1993 master plan, which Smith's helped fund and write, should be binding.

"It has to do with corporate citizenship, public process, protecting the environment and protecting the sustainability of Salt Lake neighborhoods," she said. "I consider the master plan to be a contract between the neighborhood and Smith's."

That document, which governed the relocation of a loading dock, states that any future development shall require a master-plan amendment. It conjures parallels with the City Council's recent vote against a plan to expand the St. Joseph Villa care center. And, according to Pace, it is the foundation of the city's case.

To get to this point, the gas station has endured a long legal run.

After city planners rejected Smith's gas-station proposal, the store pitched the idea to the Board of Adjustment in 2006. Twice denied by that panel, Smith's took its case to 3rd District Court, which also sided against the pumps. That led to the latest appeal.

But a technical twist may give the grocer an edge this time. After a 1980s expansion, Smith's persuaded the city to sell part of Windsor Street -- owners were bought out and homes were razed -- to expand the parking lot. To this day, those stalls remain separate from the rest of the lot, which Smith's insists gives it the right to develop without city permission or an amendment to the master plan.

"Because the city has not jumped on that," Shultz said, "it's put Smith's in a very strong legal position."

Former City Councilwoman Nancy Saxton concurs, and says that leverage is both "bizarre" and "maddening."

"Shame on us," Saxton said, "that our myriad of attorneys couldn't figure this out."

What's more, after receiving the mediation notice, second-year Mayor Ralph Becker's new planning team was scrambling this week to catch up -- reaching out to neighborhood activists for history on the dispute.

"It's terrifying," Florence said. "I thought we were winning."

Pace says the city will try to negotiate, acknowledging Smith's wouldn't be appealing if it didn't have an argument. "Thus far the city has won everything, and Smith's has won nothing," he said, remaining optimistic over the mediation. "If you go to court, it's all or nothing. If the city loses, we have no leverage with Smith's, except to ask nicely."

Florence, who has spearheaded a petition with hundreds of signatures and protests at the parking lot, has a backup plan. If the station is approved, she is pushing for alternative fuel, including natural gas, biodiesel and electric-charging stations -- perhaps powered by solar. She also wants the store to replace its wall facing 900 East with a European-style market and cafe.

"It would showcase the 9th and 9th neighborhood," she said. "Smith's would gain new customers. Everybody would win."


Court-ordered mediation
Salt Lake City and Smith's will sit down with mediators Monday to discuss potential solutions to the gas-station debate near 9th and 9th. The grocer insists it doesn't need the city's permission to add pumps to the Smith's parking lot along 800 South and 900 East. Neighbors and the city disagree, arguing Smith's is breaking its 1993 master-plan promise. The issue may be decided by the Utah Court of Appeals.


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I'm fine with him taking a break, and I'm fine with the old "Completely Irrelevant" thread being deleted. If those discussions really are completely irrelevant to construction/skyscrapers/urban planning, why are the moderators allowing the discussion to be hosted here? After about the third page, that thread was nothing more than a breeding ground for contention that spread to the other Utah threads. There are plenty of places on the internet to bash/praise all kinds of things about Utah...take it up there. Just my opinion.

Colorado, Idaho, Arizona and our other neighbors don't feel the need to have their own Completely Irrelevant threads...what's so special about us?

That's rhetorical.
I liked the completely irrelevant topics thread- it seemed to do a better job than the skybar at keeping stuff I don't care to read out of the develpment threads (this post of mine can be exhibit A). Maybe they should have named it the completely irrelevant Mountainwest topics thread since forumers from our neighboring states couldn't seem to leave it alone.
     
     
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Restoring a historic jewel in downtown S.L.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705295081,00.html


Curtis Bennett shows the interior of the old Salt Lake library/planetarium. It will become the O.C. Tanner flagship store. Scott G. Winterton, Deseret News

A renowned Utah-based jeweler is working to restore new luster to a historic downtown gem.

Less than six months from now, O.C. Tanner Co. is scheduled to celebrate the grand opening of its new flagship retail store that will be located in the original Salt Lake City library/planetarium building at 15 S. State, next door to the Alta Club...



The exterior of the State Street building will continue to reflect the structure's early 20th century origin. (Scott G. Winterton, Deseret News)

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This is sooooo Cool, it's just what downtown needs. I hope it does extremely well!!!

Pedicabs rolling into SLC

Spin city » Bikes resembling rickshaws spice up night life.

by Derek P. Jensen
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Downtown Salt Lake City's public transportation scene just got a leg up. Well, two.



A new bicycle taxi service called Stick Dog Pedicabs is cruising the capital's bar and restaurant scene -- ready to pedal people between stops, back to the hotel and even home for a "driver" tip.

The rickshaw-like rigs, brightly colored and able to carry two at a time, can be hailed afternoon or evening. And they are rolling just in time for LDS conference weekend.

"Mainly these are really short trips. We're going to be taking people from a bar to a restaurant or the symphony to a restaurant," said Stick Dog owner Bret Cali, an Alaskan transplant who named the business after his Lab-husky mix "Stick." "Once we've become a known presence ... we'll be operating seven days a week."

Besides shuttling the city's night life, the pedicabs are available for city tours and even loops around Liberty Park -- already popular with kids. Cali expects steady demand during conventions, the farmers market at Pioneer Park and the Twilight Concert Series at the Gallivan Center.

The venture fills a void left by Wasatch Pedicab Co., which pedaled into downtown in 2005 but petered out after an insurance dispute with the city.

"This is a step forward in our process of putting a better night life together," raved Bryan Borreson, general manager of Lumpys Downtown who is about to open the Sandbar and Grill across the street from his sports bar. "It's really nice to have these guys riding around taking people safely from club to club."

Cali, who is counting on plastering the pedicabs with ads, already has a rotating crew of eight drivers for his two-vehicle fleet. He was "flooded" with interest by the capital's rabid bicycling community, including offers to work for free.

Tom Steed, a driver who answered an ad on craigslist, says the 2-week-old venture has been a hit and could go a long way toward keeping drunks out of cars. He recently pedaled a couple from a downtown pub to their home near 800 East and 600 South.

"It's going to be popular in the summertime," he said. "Most of the bellhops at all of the hotels have our business cards. If someone wants lunch delivered, we'll pick it up."

Doug Koob, general manager of the Marriott next to the Gallivan Center, says he will welcome the pedicabs if guests show interest.

"It's unique, it's different," Koob said, comparing the experience to horse-drawn carriage rides. "It could be a very valuable tool."

Nearly 7 feet long, and over $3,500 apiece, the pedicabs are loaded with everything from hydraulic brakes, turn signals and sirens to an awning that shields rain and provides shade. There are even blankets under the padded seats.

Drivers, who get about $5 for a typical downtown trip and can make between $100 and $600 a night, are fingerprinted, subjected to background checks and issued a license. Potentially faster than taxicabs, which often camp at the airport, Cali notes his team "needs to be on our p's and q's" as ambassadors of the city.

But he says City Hall was "ridiculously helpful" in getting the business launched.

"This mayor has stated that clean air and less traffic are priorities. To that end, he seems to be putting his money where his mouth is."

Sophomore Mayor Ralph Becker is an avid cyclist, who frequently campaigned on two wheels.

Despite some nasty weather, Steed says the pedicab debut has been smooth. "I was expecting to get some resistance, maybe from a police officer or two," he said. "But nothing -- I get waves and smiles. It's pretty great."



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Stick Dog Pedicabs is rolling residents and tourists between bars and restaurants, on city tours and even around Liberty Park. Licensed by the city, the pedicabs operate every afternoon and evening on a tip-only system. Brightly colored, the carriages carry two and can make late-night home drop-offs -- within reason. No steep hills. To hail a pedicab, call 801-637-7036. See more details at www.stickdogpedicabs.com
     
     
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I miss Tangled!!!

We had some fundamental disagreements on some issues, but he gave a most intriguing perspective!

I hope you come back, buddy! Who's with me?

It's almost like those times in grade school when someone in the class was sick for a week. It's like a gaping void that you just can't get used to.
Hi Urby, and thanks for noticing my absence


OMG There is soooo much I've been wanting to post this past week that I find really exciting....
Maybe I'll just say SLC IS AWESOME, leave it at that and just start talking about anything that comes up again
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Those pedi-cabs look cool! I can't wait to try one out!
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Have you guys noticed the Salt Lake Police have once again changed their cars?





I like it better than the other look, but how many times are they going to change the look?

Seriously, from like the 60s to the 90s, even though the cars changed, the look never did. It was always the classic Salt Lake Police in blue written across the side of the car (which was always all white).

Then at the start of 2000, they changed to the all whites with Police written in black (rather simple design):



And a couple years later, this:



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From what I understand, they are just testing out the hybrid TOYota's and only got like six of them. The cops I have spoken to about them say they aren't impressed with them and end up costing more money than what they would save, fuel wise. They aren't really built to be patrol cars.

The black and white look is going to come to all their cars though. But hopefully they will stick with the Impalas.
     
     
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They're starting to look like the Cottonwood Heights police cars. I like the new look though... and what the hell is that little jazzy looking police vehicle in the first pic? lol
     
     
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Why are they using Camrys? Frankly, I think that's just ridiculous. Camrys aren't nearly as capable as Chargers, Impalas, or even Crown Vics. They're not designed for that type of use (4 cylinder engine (hybrid?), front wheel drive, microscopic trunk space, mush suspension), and I'm almost positive Toyota doesn't have any specifications for police interceptors, so they're not outfitted in the factory. That's an absolutely fabulous way to waste money, great job, whatever genius is responsible for that one. There's nothing like changing something for the sake of public perceptions (?) and pretending to save MPG's, whilst abandoning the specifically equipped, advantageously designed, popular preference, and domestic support of the Impala, Charger, and Vic.

I think the Hyatt could've used more "gateway yellow" (or was it gold.. I don't remember who coined that term). Not as big a fan of the gray and cream.. the stucco kind of gets to me now. Oh wait, I just noticed that's the back. I'll have to see the front to finalize my opinion.
     
     
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Why are they using Camrys? Frankly, I think that's just ridiculous. Camrys aren't nearly as capable as Chargers, Impalas, or even Crown Vics. They're not designed for that type of use (4 cylinder engine (hybrid?), front wheel drive, microscopic trunk space, mush suspension), and I'm almost positive Toyota doesn't have any specifications for police interceptors, so they're not outfitted in the factory. That's an absolutely fabulous way to waste money, great job, whatever genius is responsible for that one. There's nothing like changing something for the sake of public perceptions (?) and pretending to save MPG's, whilst abandoning the specifically equipped, advantageously designed, popular preference, and domestic support of the Impala, Charger, and Vic.
Well they say it was to save money on fuel and they ordered the Toyota's at the height of $4.00+ gasoline. They say it gets better gas mileage, but probably not much better than the Impala when you consider how they are driven. Patrol cars are worked very hard. That said, I don't think it will go beyond the trial run for the Toyotas for several reasons (some of which you already mentioned). Bottom line is they just aren't cut out to be patrol cars. They will probably stick with the Impala. The Crown Vic isnt built any more and the Charger, while more powerful, will only be a step in the opposite direction (if they are concerned about fuel consumption).
     
     
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Love the bridges bridges at Citifront

Hate the Hyatt and Toyota Police cars.
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The v-6 Camry has 268 hp and are damn fast for a bigger car.
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The v-6 Camry has 268 hp and are damn fast for a bigger car.

Of course don't forget about the "police" package upgrades.

Where is Citifront? Looks nice.
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Of course don't forget about the "police" package upgrades.

Where is Citifront? Looks nice.
It's east of the freeway and west of the Gateway. If you walked through the northern end of the Gateway turned west and walked for a block or two you would be right there. It's a nice development I like the brick and rock.
     
     
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