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Old Posted Apr 3, 2009, 6:20 AM
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I recently met with the developers and got an update... they are back on track. They had to pause and restructure due to financing but are ready to move full steam ahead.

That's great news. Funny I was on their website today hoping to find somekind of update.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2009, 6:08 PM
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Ripping out grass I hope

People around here plant too much grass in the most wasteful spaces (strips between driveways, sidewalks, etc). I bet we could cut our water consumption by a good 15-20% just by getting rid of un-used grass. I mean, i understand why people want a patch to play on, but why not cut out all the grass you don't use? You'll save money on water, you won't have to mow as much, etc. Fast food and retail centers could also get rid of grass.
Nothing like replacing grass with cement or pebbles or asphalt.

What is wrong with grass? The problem with wasting water is that people seem to think that leaving their sprinklers on for a longer time actually benefits their lawn. That is BS...
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2009, 7:38 PM
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It might be how things are run in that organization--remember the gov't doesn't often do things efficiently, but moreso who can get what, i.e. if your organization is given $500 M, you don't spend $400 M and then give back $100 M so that someone else can use it--you find something else lavish to add to your project to add on that $100 M--because otherwise next time around you will only get $400 M. Stupid? Yeah probably, but that's how things work and it isn't likely to change anytime soon. So once they got the money to build, they aren't going to give it back just because 'it is a recession.'
Yeah, I work in one of those inefficient government agencies. It is mind-boggling what goes on. And don't even get me started on bloated military budgets; I'm sure my opinion on that would go over well here, and it would be far off topic.

Glad I'm not the only one diving into home repairs this spring. I'm doing a complete re-landscaping as well, and yes, most of the lawn is going, as well as a big patch of concrete. I'll plant a patch of water-wise grass in the back, but everything else will be garden and xeriscaping. I also have exterior painting to tackle, and will hopefully be able to afford some new windows. I'm thinking it's time to stop being scared of the economy, and to start investing in my home again.

Also glad to hear Market Station is on track. Leerjet, did they talk about any specific dates? I can't wait for that project to get underway. I live just a few blocks north, and think it will have major positive impacts to my neighborhood. Good news!
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2009, 9:11 PM
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Yeah, the Development manager said they will begin excavation in the next couple months. While I'm not holding my breath, it would be nice to see this get moving.
The project keeps getting cooler too... they are adding a helecopter pad on top of the skyscraper they'll build and the film institute that will be associated with sundance.
Those guys really seem to know what they're doing.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2009, 9:43 PM
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Ripping out grass I hope

People around here plant too much grass in the most wasteful spaces (strips between driveways, sidewalks, etc). I bet we could cut our water consumption by a good 15-20% just by getting rid of un-used grass. I mean, i understand why people want a patch to play on, but why not cut out all the grass you don't use? You'll save money on water, you won't have to mow as much, etc. Fast food and retail centers could also get rid of grass.
For the most part, I agree with you on that. I think industrial areas, shopping centers, churches, parking lots, etc., should use less grass and more natural shrub and rock. Particularly industrial areas, where having thick green grass doesn't make their property look any better, and is just a waste of money (or it's poorly maintained, in which case it looks worse anyway). The fact is, grass only has a purpose for a few months in Utah, the rest of the year it's either covered by snow, leaves, needles, it's brown/dead/yellow, and it's all compressed. In the summer it's nice, especially compared to the common grass in some other states like Florida or So. California, but so much work goes into making it look good for 3 months and then it just looks awful for the rest of the year. I think the worse looking parts of town would do good to just replace their grass with lava rock or something like that. It'd look so much better. The church on Murray-Holladay Rd. around 1300E just did a minor xeriscape recently where they took out a bit of grass along the sidewalk and replaced it with rocks and shrubs; they still have grass but not nearly as much, and it looks a ton better now.

However, neighborhoods.. I'm not too sure about. I would never xeriscape my yard as it is now because I don't want to have the ugliest yard in the neighborhood. It's not that all xeriscaping necessarily looks bad (I've seen some that really look good, but they usually belong to professional gardeners anyway), I just don't want my house to stick out like a sore thumb. We have a sidewalk all around our street and a consistent, well maintained grass strip between everyone's sidewalk and road. If it were a neighborhood better planned for that type of landscaping, I definitely would. Overall I think that's the direction new neighborhoods should be going. It just bothers me when someone in the avenues or sugarhouse decides to rip out their grass, right up to the property line, and replace it with red bark. It makes the entire neighborhood look crappy (and with bark, the house alone will only look good for a couple weeks).
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2009, 2:14 AM
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Good to start seeing signs of economic recovery. I hope market street still happens.

we are in the middle of major renovations to our home as well. Finishing our basement and adding a new kitchen and bath. It sucks being without a kitchen. I think I will spend more on dining out than actual construction.
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YAY Market Street's still happening!

That's going to be a nice south anchor for the city Even if it is in SOUTH SLC
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2009, 5:52 AM
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Nothing like replacing grass with cement or pebbles or asphalt.

What is wrong with grass? The problem with wasting water is that people seem to think that leaving their sprinklers on for a longer time actually benefits their lawn. That is BS...
Because we live in the 2nd driest state in the nation

Grass is fine if you live in Kentuky, but out west it is a complete waste of water. I didn't say cement or asphalt - rock gardens, native plants, even bushes and trees take up much less water! There are also many beautiful green plants that spread accross the ground that use up much less water than grass but still give your lawn a green look. I didn't say all grass should be gotten rid of - I specifically said that I don't mind a patch to play on. Just cut out the useless grass between the road and sidewalk and the perimeter of the lawn, then replace it with some of the things I just mentioned. Grass may work for you New Yorkers, but out here we have much MUCH less water.
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Two years ago we ripped out that "parking strip" between the road and sidewalk and replaced it with native vegetation and some rock garden kind of stuff--we also ripped out a rock garden that the previous owners had put in and have replaced that with some native vegetation. It does take some watering in the first few years to get it established, but it's already looking better and taking less effort than what it replaced, and we've gotten a lot of compliments on it. We still have a lot of grass in both the front and back yards, but we've doubled the size of our vegetable garden in the back, and will be cutting off about a fourth of our front lawn and replacing it with native shrubs/flowers/grasses/ground cover in May and June this year.

It can be done, it can look nice, and you can still have grass for the pups (human and canine, in our case) to play on. I've been impressed at the amount of drought-tolerant plants that Lowe's carries--if you know what you're looking for, you can get it. Other, local nurseries have even more variety, but a lot of what they carry has either been too fragile or too expensive for what we were looking at.
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Two years ago we ripped out that "parking strip" between the road and sidewalk and replaced it with native vegetation and some rock garden kind of stuff--we also ripped out a rock garden that the previous owners had put in and have replaced that with some native vegetation. It does take some watering in the first few years to get it established, but it's already looking better and taking less effort than what it replaced, and we've gotten a lot of compliments on it. We still have a lot of grass in both the front and back yards, but we've doubled the size of our vegetable garden in the back, and will be cutting off about a fourth of our front lawn and replacing it with native shrubs/flowers/grasses/ground cover in May and June this year.

It can be done, it can look nice, and you can still have grass for the pups (human and canine, in our case) to play on. I've been impressed at the amount of drought-tolerant plants that Lowe's carries--if you know what you're looking for, you can get it. Other, local nurseries have even more variety, but a lot of what they carry has either been too fragile or too expensive for what we were looking at.
See!! It is possible! Grass can be beautiful, but too much just gets boring - not to mention how much it wastes water, requires use of dirty fuels to maintain, seeps pesticides and other chemicals into the ecosystem, etc. Imagine making your yard both attractive, unique, and environentaly friendly!
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2009, 2:31 AM
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This is a good time to build. Material is down, labor is down. People need jobs. Military spending creates lots of jobs. Sounds like it will be close to the freeway. Personally I don't see a problem with a hotel in Park City. Park City lost it's small-town charm long ago.
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Utah is not the 2nd driest state in the nation. You've still got Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the "XERISCAPE EVERYTHING GET RID OF GRASS!" mentality doesn't make much sense in the Salt Lake area because we are getting ALL of our water from LOCAL SOURCES that are located almost exclusively in our state and end up draining into the Great Salt Lake. We get our water from wells under the valleys and multiple Wasatch canyon streams, not from the Colorado river basin. We live in an OASIS. It's not like the water we use in the SLC metro is being taken from other states that are water deprived. Sure, we're not Kentucky, but we're certainly not Arizona. I don't have any problems with keeping the SLC metro green. Yes, we ought to be smarter about how we use water now to better sustain our population growth, but we don't need to xeriscape everything to death. Imagine how filthy our air would be if we didn't have as much greenery as we do.

I think xeriscaping ought to be used universally in cities like St. George, who get much of their water from the CRB rather than local wells. Also, SLC is NOT a desert city like Albuquerque, Las Vegas or Phoenix where xeriscaping is crucial for sustainability.

I'm really sleepy and I realize that my argument is kinda shabby but I think i got my general point across
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I personally think xeroscape/lawn hybrid yards looks best... having a lawn only just seems sort of bland. And for smaller yards xeroscaping only can look really nice. Just one point I disagree on Tangled... I'm pretty sure it's trees that fight pollution the most, not grass.
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The easiest way to reduce water consumption for future generations is to have smaller lots in new developments. Grass is okay if you have the right species for the local environment and you don't over water it. There are native species of grass that work very well, are soft and provide a suitable place for kids to play and that use very little water. Rain water collections sytems that can supplement watering are relatively cheap and easy to use.

One thing I would like to see that is a fundamental change to our infrastructure is to have curbs designed to capture runoff from the gutter to supply park strips. They can overflow back into the gutter if necessary. I think this would cut down a lot of nonpoint specific pollutions from entering our rivers, streams lakes, reservoirs, etc. and cut down on outdoor water usage.

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YAY Market Street's still happening!

That's going to be a nice south anchor for the city Even if it is in SOUTH SLC
Is this the proposal in which a 25-story residential highrise is part of the plan?
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Yes. That's the one.

Here's the thread. Retrieved from the depths of page 2. lol

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139631
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It might be how things are run in that organization--remember the gov't doesn't often do things efficiently, but moreso who can get what, i.e. if your organization is given $500 M, you don't spend $400 M and then give back $100 M so that someone else can use it--you find something else lavish to add to your project to add on that $100 M--because otherwise next time around you will only get $400 M. Stupid? Yeah probably, but that's how things work and it isn't likely to change anytime soon. So once they got the money to build, they aren't going to give it back just because 'it is a recession.'
This isn't necessarily a bad idea if the project and money had already been allocated and has been in the plans for a long time. Remember that this project provides construction jobs that are badly needed! Further, bids are more competitive then they have been in a long time, so this saves the Air Force money. As long as it is really needed, then I love these type of projects.
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Is this the proposal in which a 25-story residential highrise is part of the plan?

The highrise is now going to be 27-stories.
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